CM court decision

wafflycat came up with the following;:

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has been reached. See

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5119826.stm

"London's cyclists have won a legal contest against the police who wanted
to make a monthly bike event unlawful."

Good.

Whilst I disagree totally with cm and with the way they go about things, I
firmly believe that they should be allowed to protest freely.

Just glad they don't do it in our town, as tha time they do it is fairly
critical to me ... 😉

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

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Whilst I disagree totally with cm and with the way they go about
things, I firmly believe that they should be allowed to protest
freely.

I thought the point was that it was not a protest, but a simple bike ride.

However, it does provide CM-ers with an opportunity to show the car drivers
that cyclists can ride as badly as they drive, and cause as much traffic
chaos as cars.

"Paul - [censored]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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wafflycat came up with the following;:

Quoted message said:

has been reached. See

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5119826.stm

"London's cyclists have won a legal contest against the police who wanted
to make a monthly bike event unlawful."

Good.

Whilst I disagree totally with cm and with the way they go about things, I
firmly believe that they should be allowed to protest freely.

Just glad they don't do it in our town, as tha time they do it is fairly
critical to me ... 😉

I've been on a few and always vowed never to go again. Too many people
protesting, when in my belief it's a simple bike ride. However, I did
venture back the month after they handed out the letter to show my support
of 'the ideals'. This is good news, now if they can just make the thing a
friendly & fun affair like the skating events, I'd be up for joining in.

Nick

Mark Thompson came up with the following;:

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Whilst I disagree totally with cm and with the way they go about
things, I firmly believe that they should be allowed to protest
freely.

I thought the point was that it was not a protest, but a simple bike ride.

So does everyone who goes to show support for the expressed 'ideals' of cm.
They appear sorely disappointed when it appears to be more of a bandwagon
for protestation than a simple 'everyone get together and ride'.

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However, it does provide CM-ers with an opportunity to show the car
drivers that cyclists can ride as badly as they drive, and cause as much
traffic chaos as cars.

Do you really think it bothers any other car drivers than the few who might
get held up for a short while? The problem is, IMHO, that it isn't the car
drivers causing the real problems but the inability of humans to peacefully
co-exist in cities. I also put some blame on transport policies.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

elyob came up with the following;:

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"Paul - [censored]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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wafflycat came up with the following;:

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has been reached. See

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5119826.stm

"London's cyclists have won a legal contest against the police who
wanted to make a monthly bike event unlawful."

Good.

Whilst I disagree totally with cm and with the way they go about things,
I firmly believe that they should be allowed to protest freely.

Just glad they don't do it in our town, as tha time they do it is fairly
critical to me ... 😉

I've been on a few and always vowed never to go again. Too many people
protesting, when in my belief it's a simple bike ride. However, I did
venture back the month after they handed out the letter to show my support
of 'the ideals'. This is good news, now if they can just make the thing a
friendly & fun affair like the skating events, I'd be up for joining in.

Absolutely.

I have been on one, whilst we were in London with our bikes, to see what it
was all about and to be truthful it seemed to me to be populated by some of
the worst propaganda merchants about and has more politicising than the
House of Commons. It was nothing to do with a ride to populate the streets
with bikes and everything to do with a ride to 'show all other traffic who's
boss for a few minutes', which is a different thing entirely.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

Paul - censored said:

Just glad they don't do it in our town, as tha time they do it is fairly
critical to me ... 😉

I have encountered one at a 'critical' time for me (on my way to the
station - by bike, of course) but it was going in the opposite
direction and didn't pose any obstacle to my progress.

I wonder, though, had CM been made illegal, what would have been the
implications for people making a non-CM bike journey who happened to be
travelling in the same direction - though I presume such considerations
(and the difficulty distinguishing between 'protestors' and 'ordinary
members of the public'😉 are among the reasons why it wasn't made
illegal.

d.

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However, it does provide CM-ers with an opportunity to show the car
drivers that cyclists can ride as badly as they drive, and cause as
much traffic chaos as cars.

Do you really think it bothers any other car drivers than the few who
might get held up for a short while?

It bothers me enough that I avoid CM rides.

wafflycat wrote on 27/06/2006 12:04 +0100:

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has been reached. See

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5119826.stm

"London's cyclists have won a legal contest against the police who
wanted to make a monthly bike event unlawful."

Cheers, helen s

Just curious, if CM is not organised and is just a spontaneous assembly
of people on bicycles, who actually was it that contested the police
position?

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

wafflycat said:

has been reached. See

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5119826.stm

"London's cyclists have won a legal contest against the police who wanted to
make a monthly bike event unlawful."

it's this Friday, if I leave work at 2000 I might get there as it
reaches, oooh, Trafalgar Square. Sorry but CM in its current form is a
shot in the foot; the skaters show the way forward (although even they
get hooted on Hyde Park Corner despite moving like greased weasel s**t)

Tony Raven said:

wafflycat wrote on 27/06/2006 12:04 +0100:

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"London's cyclists have won a legal contest against the police who
wanted to make a monthly bike event unlawful."

Just curious, if CM is not organised and is just a spontaneous assembly
of people on bicycles, who actually was it that contested the police
position?

Des Kay, who's essentially just some random bloke. He got lawyers from
the Rights & Justice Centre, part of Friends of the Earth, to file for a
judicial review on his behalf.

tom

--
Nothing endures but change. -- Heraclitus

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:54:58 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

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Just curious, if CM is not organised and is just a spontaneous assembly
of people on bicycles, who actually was it that contested the police
position?

"One of the regular Critical Mass riders, Des Kay, asked Lord Justice
Sedley and Mr Justice Gray to rule that the police were
misinterpreting the law and their powers"

Mark Thompson said:

<snip>...cyclists can ride as badly as they drive, and cause as much traffic
chaos as cars.

As much traffic chaos as cars? Are you sure?

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As much traffic chaos as cars? Are you sure?

Causing inconenience to others seems to be one of the goals of a
significant minority of CM-ers.

Mark Thompson said:

> As much traffic chaos as cars? Are you sure?

Causing inconenience to others seems to be one of the goals of a
significant minority of CM-ers.

Whereas car drivers do it obliviously. On a much grander scale and with much worse effects.

wheelist came up with the following;:

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Mark Thompson said:

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As much traffic chaos as cars? Are you sure?

Causing inconenience to others seems to be one of the goals of a
significant minority of CM-ers.

Whereas car drivers do it obliviously. On a much grander scale and
with much worse effects.

So two wrongs _do_ make a right then?

Which appears somewhat childish and is a particularly bad response to cite,
or rely upon, when advocating an action that can have serious consequences.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

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Whereas car drivers do it obliviously.
On a much grander scale and with
much worse effects.

Too many CM-ers do it *deliberately*. I'd prefer to be part of the
solution, not associate myself with yet another problem.

p.s. cyclingforums is borking your posts up - they look like this:

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Causing inconenience to others seems to be one of the goals of a
significant minority of CM-ers.Whereas car drivers do it obliviously. On

a much grander scale and with
much worse effects.

"Mark Thompson"
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As much traffic chaos as cars? Are you sure?

Causing inconenience to others seems to be one of the goals of a
significant minority of CM-ers.

As opposed to the significant majority of motorcars driven while carrying
only the driver all day every day versus CM one evening a month?

Mark Thompson said:

> Whereas car drivers do it obliviously.

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On a much grander scale and with
much worse effects.

Too many CM-ers do it *deliberately*. I'd prefer to be part of the
solution, not associate myself with yet another problem.

p.s. cyclingforums is borking your posts up - they look like this:

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Causing inconenience to others seems to be one of the goals of a
significant minority of CM-ers.Whereas car drivers do it obliviously. On

a much grander scale and with
much worse effects.

...

I never said that it was okay to deliberately cause trouble (though it often is). I definitely never said two wrongs make a right (Paul - [censored])

I was just questioning whether cyclists really can cause as much chaos as cars?

Surely we'd need to be heavier (more dangerous physically), dirtier (so we can pollute), and more popular (than our heavier, dirtier counterparts) in order to get anywhere near the amount of chaos caused by cars.

And Paul - [censored], getting into a car without thinking can have serious consequences too you know.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:04:12 +0100 someone who may be "wafflycat"
<w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote this:-

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"London's cyclists have won a legal contest against the police who wanted to
make a monthly bike event unlawful."

Unfortunately in this country those in funny clothes have just dealt
a devastating blow against sustainable transport, with regard to the
M74 extension. http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/about/m74_diary.html

As a result it looks like this huge waste of my money will be going
ahead, with bad outcomes for all forms of sustainable transport.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54