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  1. Our unicycle group just got a 5' giraffe. We have some pretty new
    riders that would like to try the giraffe, but I am concerned about
    injury from lack of unicycling experience. On someone's website, I
    noticed that they required a rider to be level 3 before they could use
    their club's giraffe.

    How should one determine when a rider can use a giraffe?
    What does your club do?
    What do individuals with giraffe experience (riding and teaching)
    think?

    I'm probably being overly cautious, but I'd feel terrible if I let a
    young rider (young in age and experience) try the giraffe and see them
    fall and get hurt. I know there is always a risk, but there is a point
    where you should say no.

    Bill

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  2. In our club you have to be able to idle 20 times, ride in some figure 8s
    and go forward and backwards to the half court line 4 times
    (continuously). Don’t give any kids special privileges over other kids
    though. They will work harder once they know what the have to do to ride
    it and once one person meets the requirements the others will want to
    even more.

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  3. KcTheAcy said:

    *In our club you have to be able to idle 20 times, ride in some figure
    8s and go forward and backwards to the half court line 4 times
    (continuously). Don’t give any kids special privileges over other kids
    though. They will work harder once they know what the have to do to
    ride it and once one person meets the requirements the others will
    want to even more. *

    Sadly I'm not sure I could ride your club's giraffe.

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  4. in my club you have to be able to kill a bear with a fork to be able to
    ride a giraffe, or to even be considered a member of the club. some
    would say it's a bear killing with fork club, mainly because it is.

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  5. we don't really have a formal policy, just a "you really think you can
    do it?" and a "if you get a little crooked jump off" kinda rules. We
    wouldn't let anyone who couldn't do a controlled fall get up there. most
    non-childern are fairly cautious when it comes to trying stuff like
    that. but level 3 sounds like a good rule.

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  6. if the kid only wants to ride forwards, i dont think that he or she
    necessarily needs to be proficent in idling and backwards riding. if
    the kid can comfortably mount and ride unicycles with two or three wheel
    sizes, then that should be enough.

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  7. muniracer said:

    *if the kid only wants to ride forwards, i dont think that he or she
    necessarily needs to be proficent in idling and backwards riding. if
    the kid can comfortably mount and ride unicycles with two or three
    wheel sizes, then that should be enough. *

    I would tend to agree. I think you can tell, Bill, and make a judgement
    call. But this allows problems to arise such as complaints from non
    qualified riders who think they are qualified. If you feel that a limit
    must be set to keep qualifications purely subjective, I think level 3 is
    good. However, it would be wise to tell the rider to only do things on
    the giraffe that she is comfortable with on a standard 20'' unicycle.
    That is, don't let a level 3 rider attempt backwards on a giraffe until
    she has mastered it on a normal unicycle.

    If you are going to be allowing large amounts of people to try your
    unicycle, you should take some precautions (I'm assuming you have had
    them sign some form of waiver before giving lessons. If not you probably
    should).

    1. Make sure they are proficient riders (obvious).

    2. Make sure the giraffe is in good working order. One key thing that is
    easy to overlook is chain tension. It is important to have adequate
    chain tension, especially for idling. A "popped" chain leads to a fairly
    catastrophic fall in my experiences.

    3. Teach the riders how to fall from the giraffe. This may seem like
    something that would happen intuitively when someone's balance is
    overstretched, but many people fall badly. The main thing when falling
    is "get clear of the unicycle." Landing on it causes nothing but bad
    times. Also tell them to make sure they land squarely on both feet. I
    hurt one of my feel before coming down on one foot (like 1...2). Also
    make sure they know to land softly. SHock with the legs.

    4. When they first start, make sure they have tons of stuff to grab on
    to. They will likely be scared and want to grab onto things at various
    stages in their ride.

    My $2.

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  8. TheObieOne3226 said:

    *Sadly I'm not sure I could ride your club's giraffe. *

    me neither!

    In the past we used to make kids wait till they were level1, that was
    when little kids used to come. Don't think any of the ever quite got
    there though...

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  9. i've allways figured that if someone wants to try, that qualifies
    him/her to 'have a go'
    i've only ever had one 'kid' want to have a go and his dad was with him
    so i figured that was safe enough

    before i let people ride the raffie, i ask them to get on and
    'jump/fall' off the back
    i get them comfortable with the dismount before they even try n ride
    we don't have too many grab-ables at raffie height in the hall we meet
    so we've had to rely on people walking alongside the rider, offering
    hands and shoulders as support

    KCtheAcy's post is interesting and it seems that there are benefits to a
    fairly 'strict' raffie policy over and above the simple safety issues

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  10. I dont really know about requirements.

    I myself couldnt idle or ride backwards, when i tried the giraffe.
    Infact I learned to idle on a giraffe before I could on a std. 20"

    Maybe for the people who havnt tried it, just need a spotter or two, to
    get them started.

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  11. GILD said:

    *i get them comfortable with the dismount before they even try n ride*


    Excellent advice, perhaps even more useful than pre-riding skill
    requirements. Obie had a number of good suggestions as well, a nice
    change for him.

    Here's my take:

    - Anyone can ride a giraffe with zero training. All they have to do is
    go buy themselves one. All non-owners of giraffes should be reminded of
    this if necessary. If you want to ride someone else's giraffe, they get
    to pick the rules.

    - To a lesser degree, the same thing applies to the riding venue. If
    you're in a gym, for instance, where you have to worry about liability,
    some rules will help protect you. Even the new rider who brings in
    his-her own new giraffe might be asked to comply with the skill rules
    before riding it in the club venue.

    - If you have lots of riders and not enough giraffes, a lot of
    requirements will be a huge motivator for your riders to increase their
    skills. This will also keep the poor giraffe from getting mobbed all the
    time. Until you have more than one or two, it will always seem more
    special than the regular unis.

    Below I will list a full-on set of rules you can use. Then if your
    situation is less formal, leave out the ones you think you don't need.
    But here are some of my requirements, in what I think is their order of
    importance:

    1. Basic orientation on the giraffe. This applies to all riders in the
    venue, even if they're not going to ride it. The giraffe has the right
    of way. Taller giraffes have the right of way over shorter ones. Don't
    ride too close to the giraffe, don't hang around directly behind it,
    don't mess with the rider. It would also include instructions on
    dismounting; not letting the wheel shoot out from under you, especially
    if you're 3' away from a wall (ouch!).

    2. Though you can ride a giraffe with no backward or idling skills (I
    learned to ride on one), you'll save lots of dismounts, falls, and/or
    wear and tear/damage to the giraffe if riders can idle and go backwards
    first. So if you're trying to encourage skill growth, safety, etc., I'd
    go for the requirement of minimum 20 idles and proficiency at backwards
    riding as well as transitions in and out of it on regular unicycles
    first. What KcTheAcy listed was good.

    3. Before riding away, the giraffe rider must first practice falling to
    multiple points of the compass. If you're comfortable falling of to the
    front, back, and both sides, you won't be so scared up there. This will
    make you more confident, and less likely to get into trouble.

    4. Your giraffe spotters should know what they're doing. If it's a
    parent or friend with a new giraffe, show them the ropes before setting
    them loose with the kid. This may save them a nasty sprocket bite or
    other possible mishaps.

    5. Last but not least, make sure they know how to dismount. It's very
    likely to be a part of their very first ride, so they should not be
    afraid to get down. This is mostly covered under #3, so not sure if it's
    needed here.

    The above list does not include maintenance. As mentioned above, chain
    tension is very important, as is tire pressure. Make sure it's not too
    gushy, or the thing won't steer well. Also, make sure the seat height is
    appropriate for the rider. A seat that's too low introduces a danger
    factor many people don't think of. A giraffe seat sometimes wants to get
    out from under you. If you're riding with your legs all scrunched up, it
    not only makes the cycle harder to ride, it can result in some sudden
    catastrophic seat-drag dismounts.

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  12. I still don't agree with the backwards thing. Being able to do 20 idles
    makes sense, since idling helps you get a feeling for keeping the
    unicycle under you in different circumstances. Being able to ride
    backwards doesn't really help you (much) unless you want to go
    backwards. I think level 3 is good. That show's basic skill and
    confidence in control of the unicycle.

    Another reason I disagree is because I suck at backwards really really
    badly (compared to rest of abilities). I simply never practiced it. I
    can do a figure 8 just about every time, but it's really crappy looking.
    I would never try anything more than straight riding on a giraffe (not
    now anyways), so why can't I ride yours? I'm not a skilled enough
    rider?

    for some reason i couldn't think clearly during this post. please excuse
    what i must assume is really bad paragraph flow and sentence order.

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  13. TheObieOne3226 said:

    *Being able to ride backwards doesn't really help you (much) unless
    you want to go backwards.*


    Idling is definitely more important. You only need backwards in
    situations where idling might not be enough to keep you from falling on
    shorter riders. Like in a crowded gym. This would be another factor in
    determining how good you want your giraffe riders to be.

    With all these restrictions, I think we're mostly talking about club
    situations where you want riders to earn the privelidge of riding the
    giraffe. If it's a less formal situation, like "Can't I just try your
    giraffe?" then all those rules are overkill.

    Quoted message said:

    *Another reason I disagree is because I suck at backwards really
    really badly (compared to rest of abilities).... I can do a figure 8
    just about every time, but it's really crappy looking. *


    You're not alone. Once upon a time (late 80s) we had a Compulsory event
    as part of the overall "artistic" championships at Unicons. Without
    going into a lot of detail, most riders had to do a backwards figure-8
    as part of their Compulsory routine. It was amazing how non-smooth some
    of the very top riders were at riding backward!

    You really should put a little time into it. Once you get where you can
    do leaning turns in reverse, it feels really cool and adds to many of
    the moves you can do, if you're interested in such things.

    > so why can't I ride yours? I'm not a skilled enough rider?
    I've never seen you ride, but you're an adult, and that makes a big
    difference between you and an 8-year old. I would let you try mine, but
    if we were in one of those big club situations, it might be in conflict
    with "club rules."[/B]

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  14. johnfoss said:

    *You're not alone. Once upon a time (late 80s) we had a Compulsory
    event as part of the overall "artistic" championships at Unicons.
    Without going into a lot of detail, most riders had to do a backwards
    figure-8 as part of their Compulsory routine. It was amazing how
    non-smooth some of the very top riders were at riding backward!

    You really should put a little time into it. Once you get where you
    can do leaning turns in reverse, it feels really cool and adds to many
    of the moves you can do, if you're interested in such things.
    *

    Thats pretty funny about the high level guys. Makes me feel better about
    my "figure 8's" (in quotes because they are so unsmooth I am basically
    just doing 2 big rounded squares)

    I'm not really into freestyle, but I have been getting into it a lot
    more recently. Freestyle is definately the most frustrating of the
    unicycle disciplines. I usually just skip stuff and come back to it
    later, or learn it through mastery of another trick (I learned to seat
    out ride after I landed a 14'' SIF hop, and I learned backwards as a
    result of being good at idling. Unfortunately, I had to stick with it to
    learn WW, and I don't think there are any trials shortcuts to learning
    to glide. Time to buy a freestyle uni!).

    babbling again....focus!!!

    What I may or may not be saying is that using giraffes as a motivational
    tool is probably a good idea.

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  15. I hope the new USA skill system will make it easier for clubs to set up
    some general guidelines about who can ride giraffes.

    In the new system, riders will be able to work on skills in the Tall
    division (giraffe skills) once they pass the six basic Rider skill sets
    -- by then, they can ride, turn, freemount, idle, hop, and go over a
    bump.

    So clubs could require riders to pass Base 6 in order to try out a
    giraffe, if they want. That would give clubs some guarantee that riders
    have mastered the basics before they attempt to ride the tall
    unicycles.

    Then, in the first set of skills for Tall (Class 1), giraffe riders have
    to ride, turn, idle, and dismount. Class 4 requires a freemount. Clubs
    could also use the Tall skill sets to help prepare riders for parades or
    performances.

    If you want to help with the field test on these, let me know!

    unicyclecentral at hotmail dot com

    Thanks.

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  16. Great input and your thoughts are helping me to consider other safety
    issues as well. I hadn't thought about practising dismounts, right of
    way for the taller unis and the various concerns that arise when a group
    of people are riding in the same area.

    Based on feedback from one of our young riders, using the giraffe as a
    motivational tool is a good possibility. He is ready to learn anything
    and everything to get a chance on the giraffe. But I also want to keep
    the giraffe accessible to many riders to add to the uni experience. It
    sure is a hoot to ride a giraffe!

    Good input and all will be useful in helping us establish a group
    policy.

    Thanks a million to all!

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  17. billham said:

    * I hadn't thought about practising dismounts, right of way for the
    taller unis and the various concerns that arise when a group of people
    are riding in the same area. *


    a quick thought that struck me now while reading thru the last couple
    of posts

    if u have the space available in the hall, it might be worth demarcating
    a certain portion of it as 'raffie territory'
    especially while u have people riding the raffies for the first time

    it's all well and good telling the shorter unis to steer clear but that
    may or may not help the first-time (panicking) raffie rider when he sees
    another uni approaching
    as soon as riders are comfortable on the raffie, they should work at
    getting comfortable riding in (fairly) crowded conditions as most of
    your parade/crowd work are likely to involve some degree of riding in
    amongst other people (who may not know they're supposed to 'give way' to
    the raffie)

    i also believe it's a handy skill to be able to judge when a certain
    area is simply too dense with people to make it safe to ride a raffie
    john might have some thoughts on this?

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  18. girrafes asre easy
    if you can rride a uni you can ride a girrafe

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  19. ben_unruh said:

    *girrafes asre easy
    if you can rride a uni you can ride a girrafe *

    Yeah, but you can fall off of a unicycle, and it tends to hurt more when
    you're five feet up.

    Soo, I say have him/her wear a helmet, and have a spotter until he/she
    can ride the giraffe very proficiently.

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