Clipless Pedals - do many not use them?

GeoB said:

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PS what is Espoo-Inkoo? I found a lot of references on Google, but being a
linguistically-challenged AmeriKan I couldn't read them....

I know that Espoo is a city in Finland, so I presume than Inkoo is another geographical location
in Finland.

Tom Sherman - Various HPV's Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

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Tom Sherman said:

Ian Smith said:

On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:57:27 -0500, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> At a traffic light controlled intersection, pedestrians certainly do not have the
> right-of-way when they are crossing the street on a "DON'T WALK" signal.

You should qualify your statement - they do in the UK (the sign is an illuminated red man),
though most motorists are oblivious of teh fact. In essence, the same laws govern all
pedestrian crossings, and a pedestrian on a crossing has priority over traffic on the road....

The UK law is more ridiculous than Tony Blair's foreign policy, then. What is the point of
having green traffic lights for traffic and red lights for pedestrians if they do not
necessarily indicate who has the right-of-way?

There's no concept of right of way in UK traffic law, I believe. In certain circumstances one or
other person or vehicle has priority, but you never get an automatic right to bulldoze whjatever
is in your way.

However, I see no problem with making cars (which are noisy, smelly, dangerous and generally
unpleasant) subservient to pedestrians in all circumstances.

regards, Ian SMith

Ian, I am going to take a shot at this, but my UK'isms may be a bit wonky and IANAL, so please bear
with me. In the US to the best of my knowledge there is no intrinsic right to to simply run down a
pedestrian , jump out of/off of your vehicle (car or bike), scream "You dented my fender you lousy
bugger, you'll hear from my solicitor!", and drive off. Right-of-way implies that you had the right
to travel that direction at that time while taking all precautions. If someone intereferes with this
you still must make an effort to avoid the accident, but if you can't you may or may not be charged
with a crime. This means that if you are driving a car along a street, and a small child runs out
between two parked cars and you slam on your brakes, but strike the child, you probably will not be
charged with a criminal offense. If the child runs out between the parked cars, and you step on the
accelerator and strike the child, the best barrister(SP?) in the world probably can't help much. To
the best of my knowledge that simply applies to criminal charges, not civil charges, which can be
levied at almost any time, by anyone, for any reason. For some people in the U.S. frivilous lawsuits
are a hobby.

Thanks Bryan

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I have no intention of ever living somewhere where I can't do outside stuff for much of the year.

Well, you can ride in the cold, at least with 26 inch front tire with studs. I don't do long trips
during the winter though.

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PS what is Espoo-Inkoo? I found a lot of references on Google, but being a
linguistically-challenged AmeriKan I couldn't read them.

Espoo is the western part of Helsinki area. Inkoo happens to be about 50 km from where i live, with
nice woods and fields. On some of the small roads it is possible to ride several kilometers without
seeing or hearing cars. I decided to do about 100 km practise & fat burning rides on once per week.

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PPS Watch out, I heard we are going to invade Helsinki next.

Well, we don't have oil, only lots of wood. OTOH, it is possible to use wood gas as car fuel...

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PPS Watch out, I heard we are going to invade Helsinki next.

Well, we don't have oil, only lots of wood. OTOH, it is possible to use wood gas as car fuel...

Then its settled! Herr Doktor Rumsfeld and his plucky crew of liberators will be there shortly to
liberate you from any fuel sources (real or potential,) that may be burdening you. btw, how's yer
culture? Need any help? We're running a special on Arrogant Fundamentalism, if you're in the market.

rich, still ranting

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Then its settled! Herr Doktor Rumsfeld and his plucky crew of liberators will be there shortly
to liberate you from any fuel sources (real or potential,) that may be burdening you. btw,
how's yer culture? Need any help? We're running a special on Arrogant Fundamentalism, if you're
in the market.

The recent performance of USA ice hockey team in World Champs here in Finland did not quite convince
me. The team lost three games in a row, for example to Danmark and Russia, and is now out of
competition. I wonder what CNN has to say about that 😉

Ice Hockey Fans, USA slashes Danmark, Denmark, and Russia in Worlds. Baghdad Bob, CNN

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Then its settled! Herr Doktor Rumsfeld and his plucky crew of liberators will be there shortly to
liberate you from any fuel sources (real or potential,) that may be burdening you. btw, how's yer
culture? Need any help? We're running a special on Arrogant Fundamentalism, if you're in

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market.

The recent performance of USA ice hockey team in World Champs here in Finland did not quite
convince me. The team lost three games in a row, for example to Danmark and Russia, and is now out
of competition. I wonder what CNN has to say about that 😉

Markku said:

The recent performance of USA ice hockey team in World Champs here in Finland did not quite
convince me. The team lost three games in a row, for example to Danmark and Russia, and is now out
of competition. I wonder what CNN has to say about that 😉

They said:

"The US Ice Hockey team has not lost any matches. The Danish and Russian infidels have been
defeated, and the glorious US Team will continue until all infidels are roundly trounced. This is
Mohammed Al-Sahhaf, for CNN, Helsinki"

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Markku Poysti <[email hidden]_nospam> wrote:
: Espoo is the western part of Helsinki area. Inkoo happens to be about 50 km from where i live,
: with nice woods and fields. On some of the small roads it is possible to ride several kilometers
: without seeing or hearing cars. I decided to do about 100 km practise & fat burning rides on once
: per week.

Hmm I've been thinking of a semi-regular "organized" training ride for this spring/season... now
with my efforts to move training from the granny to the next chainring...

Was thinking of fast rides, but why not... 100 km (plus the added distance to Western Espoo
and back) might be a bit beyond my current ability, though, farthest I've been (on an upright)
was Jorvas...

Fat burning... I'm still working through that phase of the season, but events are fast approaching.
One won't be too competitive without good mitochondria. :-.

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