Clipless pedals and standard shoes?

Dave Vandervies said:

One of the upgrades I'm considering for my bike is to get clipless pedals
and a pair of shoes (or sandals, if I can find them) for them.

But, I only have one bike (and nowhere to put another one), and I use it
both for long rides (which is what I'd be getting clipless pedals for)
and for transportation. If I'm riding for transportation, I probably
don't want to wear bike shoes at the destination, and I usually don't
want to have to carry them with me (or carry my sandals on the bike)
either, which means I'd have to wear my normal walking-and-everything-else
sandals on my bike (which I currently do with my flat pedals).

Can clipless pedals reasonably be expected to play nicely with standard
footwear? If the answer is "It depends", what should I be looking for
to make sure they will?

dave

Dave,

Nashbar has a sneaker adapter for SPD pedals. It in effect clips in with a built in cleat and forms a platform.

I actually have the adapters, and am planning to buy pedals shortly, so I can't say how well they work.

There are also pedals available that are clipless on one side, and platform on the other (I believe the ones I saw at my LBS were Shimano)

Dave Vandervies said:

One of the upgrades I'm considering for my bike is to get clipless pedals
and a pair of shoes (or sandals, if I can find them) for them.

But, I only have one bike (and nowhere to put another one), and I use it
both for long rides (which is what I'd be getting clipless pedals for)
and for transportation. If I'm riding for transportation, I probably
don't want to wear bike shoes at the destination, and I usually don't
want to have to carry them with me (or carry my sandals on the bike)
either, which means I'd have to wear my normal walking-and-everything-else
sandals on my bike (which I currently do with my flat pedals).

Can clipless pedals reasonably be expected to play nicely with standard
footwear? If the answer is "It depends", what should I be looking for
to make sure they will?

dave

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There are pedals that are clipless on one side, and platform on the
other. Here is one example from BikeNashbar:

http://tinyurl.com/2h8yr

I have this style (but not brand) and like it. There are other brands
and styles to choose from that are similar in concept.

Regards,

John McCaskill

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Quoted message said:

Can clipless pedals reasonably be expected to play nicely with standard
footwear? If the answer is "It depends", what should I be looking for
to make sure they will?

You might want to consider pedals that are clipless on one side and standard
platform pedals on the other.

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Quoted message said:

One of the upgrades I'm considering for my bike is to get clipless pedals
and a pair of shoes (or sandals, if I can find them) for them.

But, I only have one bike (and nowhere to put another one), and I use it
both for long rides (which is what I'd be getting clipless pedals for)
and for transportation. If I'm riding for transportation, I probably
don't want to wear bike shoes at the destination, and I usually don't
want to have to carry them with me (or carry my sandals on the bike)
either, which means I'd have to wear my normal walking-and-everything-else
sandals on my bike (which I currently do with my flat pedals).

Can clipless pedals reasonably be expected to play nicely with standard
footwear? If the answer is "It depends", what should I be looking for
to make sure they will?

dave

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Well, you could use a SPD pedal system that has cages like the Shimano
M324's.
The cages let you wear regular shoes and you could use shoes with SPD cleats
as well.
http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=108&subcategory=1078&brand=&sku=3025&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=
or maybe a
http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=108&subcategory=1078&brand=&sku=3026&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

You could also use a Deckster pedal platform adapter too.
http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=&subcategory=&brand=&sku=10990&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=
Anyway it might give you some more ideas.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Vandervies said:

Can clipless pedals reasonably be expected to play nicely with standard
footwear?

Winwood makes platforms that you can clip into some clipless pedals so
you can ride with street shoes. Many bike shops sell Winwood products.

Dave Vandervies said:

One of the upgrades I'm considering for my bike is to get clipless
pedals and a pair of shoes (or sandals, if I can find them) for
them.

Quoted message said:

But, I only have one bike (and nowhere to put another one), and I
use it both for long rides (which is what I'd be getting clipless
pedals for) and for transportation. If I'm riding for
transportation, I probably don't want to wear bike shoes at the
destination, and I usually don't want to have to carry them with me
(or carry my sandals on the bike) either, which means I'd have to
wear my normal walking-and-everything-else sandals on my bike (which
I currently do with my flat pedals).

Quoted message said:

Can clipless pedals reasonably be expected to play nicely with
standard footwear? If the answer is "It depends", what should I be
looking for to make sure they will?

I don't think anyone will notice if you were to wear SH-TO92 shoes
unless you are a three piece suit with shined shoes type of guy. I
wear these shoes all day whenever I use the bicycle to get there,
which is mostly.

http://tinyurl.com/d8l3d

They have a recessed cleat that does not clack-clack when you walk on
hard floors and therefore does not threaten the finish on wood floors.

Jobst Brandt

"Dave Vandervies" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

One of the upgrades I'm considering for my bike is to get clipless pedals
and a pair of shoes (or sandals, if I can find them) for them.

But, I only have one bike (and nowhere to put another one), and I use it
both for long rides (which is what I'd be getting clipless pedals for)
and for transportation. If I'm riding for transportation, I probably
don't want to wear bike shoes at the destination, and I usually don't
want to have to carry them with me (or carry my sandals on the bike)
either, which means I'd have to wear my normal walking-and-everything-else
sandals on my bike (which I currently do with my flat pedals).

Others have pointed out various pedal options. I'll just add this:

I wear my Shimano SPD sandals all day, for "walking and everything else"
(including two hours of commuting). And my MTB shoes (my old Rockhoppers and
new Cannondales) are equally acceptable as casual shoes for shopping and
going to the coffee shop, although I also tend to leave a pair of regular
shoes at the office.

RichC

(Dave Vandervies) said:

Can clipless pedals reasonably be expected to play nicely with
standard footwear? If the answer is "It depends", what should I be
looking for to make sure they will?

I have pedals which are a platform on one side and have a cleat on the
other--cost about $30-$35 at Performance.

I saw a set at REI the other day which had cleats & platform on both
sides--I believe that my brother has a pair like this and loves them.

--
Robert Uhl <http://public.xdi.org/=ruhl>
If anybody can show me in the Bible the command, 'Thou shalt not smoke,'
I am ready to keep it; but I haven't found it yet. I find ten
commandments, and it's as much as I can do to keep them; and I've no
desire to make them into eleven or twelve. --C. H. Spurgeon

In article <[email hidden]>,

dgregory57 said:

Nashbar has a sneaker adapter for SPD pedals. It in effect clips in
with a built in cleat and forms a platform.

Quoted message said:

There are also pedals available that are clipless on one side, and
platform on the other (I believe the ones I saw at my LBS were Shimano)

Cool, either of these will do quite nicely.

Hopefully the LBS only has the combo ones and not the adapters in
stock when I go shopping, so that I can continue to keep my "ooh, shiny
gadgets!" techie-geek response limited to the computers and keep the
bike something nice and simple for when I need a break.

dave

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Rich Clark said:

I wear my Shimano SPD sandals all day, for "walking and everything else"
(including two hours of commuting). And my MTB shoes (my old Rockhoppers and
new Cannondales) are equally acceptable as casual shoes for shopping and
going to the coffee shop, although I also tend to leave a pair of regular
shoes at the office.

That's probably worth looking into, then. I do so much walking that I'm
used to being picky about footwear, but if I'm not walking 30 minutes to
get somewhere and 30 minutes home, I probably wouldn't notice the same
difference between "acceptable" and "good" while I'm walking through
a grocery store or sitting in a coffee shop that I'd notice during the
hour of walking.

I assume the shoes are built so the cleat doesn't normally contact
the ground? I can't see it being comfortable to walk on if it did,
and probably not so good for the cleat either. Is this only walking
on clean and solid surfaces? Would walking on, say, muddy gravel mean
they'd need to be cleaned out before being used on the bike?

dave

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I thought we'd killed the last of that breed ages since!
--Dan Holdsworth in the scary devil monastery

"Robert Uhl" wrote: (clip) If anybody can show me in the Bible the command,
'Thou shalt not smoke,' I am ready to keep it; (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sure, just ignore any of the following that are not in the bible:
11. Thou shalt not smoke.
12. Thou shalt not jump off a bridge.
13. Thou shalt not drive off a cliff.
14. Thou shalt not stab thyself in the heart.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Leo Lichtman said:

"Robert Uhl" wrote: (clip) If anybody can show me in the Bible the command,
'Thou shalt not smoke,' I am ready to keep it; (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sure, just ignore any of the following that are not in the bible:
11. Thou shalt not smoke.
12. Thou shalt not jump off a bridge.
13. Thou shalt not drive off a cliff.
14. Thou shalt not stab thyself in the heart.

Heh. Reminds me of Mel Brooks' History of the World: Part I:
"Yes Lord, I will pass on unto thy people your fifteen- oops
<smash> ... er ... /ten/ commandments."

cheers,
Tom

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Quoted message said:

I assume the shoes are built so the cleat doesn't normally contact
the ground?

Yes, the cleat is recessed. You may occasionally get a little grinding when
walking on rough pavement, but I've never noticed any impact on
functionality.

I can't see it being comfortable to walk on if it did,

Quoted message said:

and probably not so good for the cleat either. Is this only walking
on clean and solid surfaces? Would walking on, say, muddy gravel mean
they'd need to be cleaned out before being used on the bike?

You wouldn't want little pieces of gravel or a lot of hardened mud gumming
up your cleats, no. I do all my walking on city sidewalks and inside
buildings. I have once or twice almost slipped when putting my weight on the
ball of my foot (where the cleat is) while going down metal stairs.

RichC

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Dave Vandervies) said:

One of the upgrades I'm considering for my bike is to get clipless pedals
and a pair of shoes (or sandals, if I can find them) for them.

Shimano makes SPD-cleated sandals which are quite popular,
and the folks who have them seem to find them walkable
and comfortable. I haven't tried them myself, so I can't
give you a first-person testimonial.

http://harriscyclery.net/site/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1218&Catalog=39&sort=Price

cheers,
Tom

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Leo Lichtman said:

Robert Uhl said:

If anybody can show me in the Bible the command,
'Thou shalt not smoke,' I am ready to keep it;

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sure, just ignore any of the following that are not in the bible:
11. Thou shalt not smoke.
12. Thou shalt not jump off a bridge.
13. Thou shalt not drive off a cliff.
14. Thou shalt not stab thyself in the heart.

One of these things is not like the other...

More specifically, according to the Surgeon General, while cigarette
smokers die roughly 10 years before non-smokers and cigar smokers about
2 years before, pipe smokers live six months _longer_ than non-smokers.
Woo-hoo!

Not that I claim that the correlation is evidence of causation; it
almost certainly has to do with the fact that pipe smokers tend to be
wealthier than average, combined with the fact that we don't often
inhale and that our tobacco is good quality and doesn't come wrapped in
chemical-laden paper.

Lastly, even though it _is_ bad for one (it's associated with mouth,
tongue & lip cancers, after all) in some ways, it's also good in other
ways (peace of mind, taste, enjoyment, nicotine fights Parkinson's &
Alzheimer's) and for me the benefits outweigh the costs thus far.

Further, it is not immediately fatal, like jumping from bridges, driving
off cliffs and stabbing oneself in the heart. Or did you think that a
single puff would kill one dead immediately?

And to get somewhat back on topic, this is all much like cycling. It
has certain benefits: we cyclists tend to be in better health than we
would be otherwise; we enjoy the act of cycling itself; we can slow down
and see the terrain and smell the flowers as we pass in the open air; we
like the increased physical and mental well-being all this gives us. It
also has costs: we're also more likely to die than a driver; it's an
additional expense for those of us who also own a car; it's slower than
driving; it's possible that our unfiltered exposure to car exhaust is
worse for us than it is for drivers sitting behind air filters. Each
individual cycling trip has an almost infinitesimal chance of being our
last just as every pipe has an infinitesimal chance of being the one to
trigger a fatal cancer, but that chance is still there. And yet we make
our choice because for us the benefits outweigh the costs.

--
Robert Uhl <http://public.xdi.org/=ruhl>
You don't eat children. You sell them into slavery, then use the money
to buy endangered species and eat those. --Stuart the Nice

Dave Vandervies said:

One of the upgrades I'm considering for my bike is to get clipless pedals
and a pair of shoes (or sandals, if I can find them) for them.

But, I only have one bike (and nowhere to put another one), and I use it
both for long rides (which is what I'd be getting clipless pedals for)
and for transportation. If I'm riding for transportation, I probably
don't want to wear bike shoes at the destination, and I usually don't
want to have to carry them with me (or carry my sandals on the bike)
either, which means I'd have to wear my normal walking-and-everything-else
sandals on my bike (which I currently do with my flat pedals).

Can clipless pedals reasonably be expected to play nicely with standard
footwear? If the answer is "It depends", what should I be looking for
to make sure they will?

As others have written, you can get platform adapters, combo
SPD/platform pedals, or even shoes or sandals (e.g., Shimano or Lake
sandals) that have recessed cleats.

Some mountain bike shoes (e.g., Specialized Rockhopper) look more or
less like normal shoes, too, and I can vouch for the Rockhoppers being
comfortable enough to walk in (perhaps not for a major hike, but
certainly good enough to walk around the office).

--
Chris BeHanna
'03 Specialized Allez Elite 27
'04 Specialized Hardrock Pro Disc

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Robert Uhl said:

And to get somewhat back on topic, this is all much like cycling. It
has certain benefits: we cyclists tend to be in better health than we
would be otherwise; we enjoy the act of cycling itself; we can slow down
and see the terrain and smell the flowers as we pass in the open air; we
like the increased physical and mental well-being all this gives us.

All agreed.

Quoted message said:

It
also has costs: we're also more likely to die than a driver;

False!

- Frank Krygowski

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It also has costs: we're also more likely to die than a driver;

False!

Cites? According to the recent BBC stats, cyclists suffer more
fatalities per mile. According to
<http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm>, the NHTSA reports
that cyclists have a 1:71 chance of dying in an accident, while car
drivers have a 1:108 chance (interestingly SUVs, pickups & fans are
almost as dangerous as bikes. That same page calculates a more than
double chance of death for a cyclist on a per-mile basis--and 21x chance
of injury.

For the commuter, this is important data. I must get to the office one
way or the other; it's more than twice as likely that I'll die on my
there in my bike than in my car, and 21 times as likely that I'll be
injured (indeed, I've suffered one fall on my morning commute, and torn
my ankle against my pedal twice). Still, I choose my bike.

For the recreational cyclist, deaths per hour or even deaths per million
might be a more useful figure.

--
Robert Uhl <http://public.xdi.org/=ruhl>
I recently learned something quite interesting about video games. Many
young people have developed incredible hand, eye, and brain coordination
in playing these games. The Air Force believes these kids will be our
outstanding pilots should they fly our jets. --Ronald Reagan

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:40:49 -0700, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Dave Vandervies) said:

One of the upgrades I'm considering for my bike is to get clipless pedals
and a pair of shoes (or sandals, if I can find them) for them.

Shimano makes SPD-cleated sandals which are quite popular,
and the folks who have them seem to find them walkable
and comfortable. I haven't tried them myself, so I can't
give you a first-person testimonial.

http://harriscyclery.net/site/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1218&Catalog=39&sort=Price

cheers,
Tom

The Shimano SPD sandals are great. I bought them a year ago and would
buy them again. But they wear well. I haven't seen them go on sale.
Usually about $75.

G.B.