Clipless FAQ update v2.0

"John Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vYy3b.30071$cj1.4183@fed1read06...

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I spent a couple hours reworking the clipless pedal FAQ, especially

section

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3 pedal types with the descriptions. Any feedback is welcome. I could

use

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some ideas for section 2 for useful techniques.

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-John Morgan

Learning flat pedal skills makes one a better clipless rider.

mountainbike.com1101 flats.shtmlOpen ↗

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:42:29 -1000, jack <[email hidden]> penned:

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Learning flat pedal skills makes one a better clipless rider.

mountainbike.com1101 flats.shtmlOpen ↗

Question from the newbie.

Your article says:

<quote>BETTER BASICS. "Almost anyone can bunny hop clipped in. The real skill is doing it on flats.
Once you dial in all those basics on flats, you'll be that much better clipped in."</quote>

I get the concept of bunny hopping or lifting your rear wheel when clipped in. How do you do it
without having your feet attached to the pedals?

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monique

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:35:19 -0700, John Morgan <[email hidden]> penned:

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I spent a couple hours reworking the clipless pedal FAQ, especially section 3 pedal types with the
descriptions. Any feedback is welcome. I could use some ideas for section 2 for useful techniques.

members.cox.netCliplessFAQ.txtOpen ↗

-John Morgan

Section 2.1, Entry and Exit. It seems like I'm best able to clip in while sliding my foot forward a
bit in relation to the pedal, kind of the same motion that I use when pushing my toe into ski
bindings -- but not the same feeling, as it's more like scraping my foot along the top of the pedal,
rather than pushing my toe into something.

Anyway, I have no idea if that's proper technique; just what I seem to
do. I think that's what your paragraph is trying to describe, but I don't think I could visualize
the proper movement by reading your description.

Your description is very mechanism-oriented; that's cool, but I'm thinking maybe something more
oriented toward feel and analogy? "Clipping into a clipless pedal should feel like <something> ..."
Unfortunately, being a newbie, I'm certainly not the best person to come up with that analogy.

Just some thoughts as I read this over the second time ... thanks again for maintaining this!

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monique

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I get the concept of bunny hopping or lifting your rear wheel when clipped in. How do you do it
without having your feet attached to the pedals?

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monique

Here's a pretty good description of it cse.unsw.edu.aubunnyhop.txtOpen ↗
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Slacker

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:42:29 -1000, jack <[email hidden]> penned:

Quoted message said:

Learning flat pedal skills makes one a better clipless rider.

mountainbike.com1101 flats.shtmlOpen ↗

Question from the newbie.

Your article says:

<quote>BETTER BASICS. "Almost anyone can bunny hop clipped in. The real skill is doing it on
flats. Once you dial in all those basics on flats, you'll be that much better clipped in."</quote>

I get the concept of bunny hopping or lifting your rear wheel when clipped in. How do you do it
without having your feet attached to the pedals?

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monique

Learn how to lift your rear wheel with flat pedals first. The bunnyhop and stuff becomes easier once
you learn that trick. The cool thing is that you become one with the bike on flats since you don't
rely on being attached to the bike. Practice, practice, practice!!!!!!

Here is another site that explains lifting the rear wheel and bunnyhop:

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:51:58 -0700, Slacker <[email hidden]> penned:

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Quoted message said:

I get the concept of bunny hopping or lifting your rear wheel when clipped in. How do you do it
without having your feet attached to the pedals?

--
monique

Here's a pretty good description of it cse.unsw.edu.aubunnyhop.txtOpen ↗
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Slacker

Thank you! It looks very informative ... I'll have to reread it tomorrow morning, when my brain
isn't quite so dead.

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monique

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Learning flat pedal skills makes one a better clipless rider.

mountainbike.com1101 flats.shtmlOpen ↗

Are you saying this to:

A) be controversial,
B) be neo-cool retro,
C) convert the masses to your cause, or
D) hide your fear of clipless pedals?

Regurgitating mtb mag drivel doesn't make anyone a better rider.

-John Morgan

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Regurgitating mtb mag drivel doesn't make anyone a better rider.

Nor does using clipless pedals, necessarily, although some prefer them. Your point was?

My point was to belittle him for posting a link to Mountain Bike's article "Switch Back to Flats" in
a thread about clipless pedals. If you had followed the conversation or read the FAQ, you would know
that I wasn't asserting that clipless pedals make a rider better (though I believe they do for most
applications). Now do you have anything useful to say about the FAQ?

kthx.

-John Morgan

"John Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0hN3b.32233$cj1.31337@fed1read06...

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Quoted message said:

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Regurgitating mtb mag drivel doesn't make anyone a better rider.

Nor does using clipless pedals, necessarily, although some prefer them. Your point was?

My point was to belittle him for posting a link to Mountain Bike's article "Switch Back to Flats"
in a thread about clipless pedals. If you had followed the conversation or read the FAQ, you would
know that I wasn't asserting that clipless pedals make a rider better (though I believe they

do

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for most applications). Now do you have anything useful to say about the FAQ?

kthx.

You asked for feedback on your original post.

You have a discussion on flat pedals in your FAQ that in my opinion could be improved with some
principles of the article. The article does not diss clipless. It's advocating flat pedal skills
can improve your clipless skills. Your FAQ does not address improper technique lifting skills
with clipless.

I have to agree with the article. Especially the lifting skills. When I first started riding mtbs
the bike already came with clipless. I adapted to them real quick. Bunnyhopping was easy because I
justed lifted my legs and the bike came up. Dirt jumping was different. I had some big time endo
crashes. My riding buddy told me I bad technique because of the clipless. I switched to flats and
couldn't even bunnyhop. In fact I got a big gash on my shin from pedals on my first day. (tip buy
shin guards with flat pedals) I spent 2 frustrating months trying to learn how to bunnyhop. What I
finally discovered is lifting the bike with flat pedals is an upper body movement. That's why I kept
crashing with clipless because my upper body was out of position in the air. With flats you move
your body for the lift so you have really good postion for the landing. Some riders are probably
athletic enough that they don't need to learn flats skills. Me, my overall riding has improved
because of flats. I usually ride with flats all the time except for races, that's when I dust off
the clipless.

"John Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vYy3b.30071$cj1.4183@fed1read06...

Quoted message said:

I spent a couple hours reworking the clipless pedal FAQ, especially

section

Quoted message said:

3 pedal types with the descriptions. Any feedback is welcome. I could

use

Quoted message said:

some ideas for section 2 for useful techniques.

members.cox.netCliplessFAQ.txtOpen ↗

-John Morgan

This topic is not rocket science. Just put the things on and ride. You will fall if you don't unclip
in a timely manor. Cleanbean

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I knew that. And assumed you were just in it to belittle spademan. Hence

my

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"And your point was?" whilst knowing you didn't have one.

Just an old dog that doesn't want to learn a new trick with his feet.

;-))

Aha, good. We agree on all sides then. =)

Glad you can smile about it after all is said and done.

-John Morgan

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This topic is not rocket science. Just put the things on and ride. You will fall if you don't
unclip in a timely manor. Cleanbean

LOL. Well I didn't create the FAQ because I had any questions about clipless pedals, but I created
it in response to a surge of questions regarding them we had a year or so back. I figured it was
worth the effort of writing it up to not have to deal with it each individual time someone tried
them for the first time and had questions. I did learn a few things when doing some research on the
different pedals, though. =)

-John Morgan

On Tue09Sep03-2100

Quoted post said:

I spent a couple hours reworking the clipless pedal FAQ, especially section 3 pedal types with the
descriptions. Any feedback is welcome. I could use some ideas for section 2 for useful techniques.

members.cox.netCliplessFAQ.txtOpen ↗

-John Morgan

Nice.

Thanks John.

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There is a very good compatibility chart showing how well when cleats and pedals from different
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Johann Snyman said:

On Tue09Sep03-2100

Quoted post said:

I spent a couple hours reworking the clipless pedal FAQ, especially section 3 pedal types with the
descriptions. Any feedback is welcome. I could use some ideas for section 2 for useful techniques.

members.cox.netCliplessFAQ.txtOpen ↗

-John Morgan

Nice.

Thanks John.