Clinchers versus Tubulars

"Churchill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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First issue, can someone explain to me what a clincher is
and what a

tubular

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is ?!

Do I have clinchers because it has the lip on the tire
that goes under the rim ?!

Do tubulars require special rims ?

What is better for long distance road races ?! What are
the Pro's using these days ?!

You need to do some reading:

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Churchill said:

First issue, can someone explain to me what a clincher is
and what a tubular is ?!

A clincher is usually held onto the rim by wires enbedded
in the tire. There are other varieties these days, but the
clincher or ``wired on'' is the standard tire found on
most bikes,

A tubular has the tube sewn into the casing, is almost round
im cross section across the tire and is held onto the rim by
a special kind of glue called. Tubasti. Tubasti is a brand
name but the other brands are not worthy of note.

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Do I have clinchers because it has the lip on the tire
that goes under the rim ?!

Yes you do

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Do tubulars require special rims ?

Yes they do.

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What is better for long distance road races ?! What are
the Pro's using these days ?!

Tubulars are better for any kind of road and/or track
cycling.

The pros prefer to use tubulars (glued ons or ``tubs''😉 but
ride whatever they are told to ride.

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Was it necessary to cross-post to three newsfroups? One
would suffice. Seems kinda trollish, actually.

Churchill said:

First issue, can someone explain to me what a clincher is
and what a tubular is ?!

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Quoted message said:

Do I have clinchers because it has the lip on the tire that
goes under the rim ?!

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Quoted message said:

Do tubulars require special rims ?

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What is better for long distance road races ?! What are the
Pro's using these days ?!

Whichever type you know how to repair is better for long
distance road races, unless you're a pro, in which case it
doesn't matter because you've got a guy following you with a
vanload of extra pre-mounted and pre-inflated tires on
wheels (and a few extra bikes).
--
Rick Onanian

"Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Do tubulars require special rims ?

Yes they do.

A true tubular aficionado would have said, "Tubulars use
regular rims. Everything else requires special rims."

Rick Onanian said:

Was it necessary to cross-post to three newsfroups? One
would suffice. Seems kinda trollish, actually.

Quite trollish, I thought.

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill"
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is better for long distance road races ?! What are
the Pro's using these days ?!

Whichever type you know how to repair is better for long
distance road races, unless you're a pro, in which case it
doesn't matter because you've got a guy following you with
a vanload of extra pre-mounted and pre-inflated tires on
wheels (and a few extra bikes).

Now that is one very excellent summation!

Churchill said:

First issue, can someone explain to me what a clincher is
and what a tubular is ?!

Tubular: A tire that is installed with glue, adhered to the
face of the rim; it is a unitary assembly which includes the
tube inside the sewn-shut tire. It is much more difficult to
repair than a clincher.

Clincher: A tire whose sidewalls bear against flanges on the
rim, held in place by the tire's inflation pressure. The
tire and tube are easily separable since the tire is not
sewn closed.

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Do I have clinchers because it has the lip on the tire that
goes under the rim ?!

Yes.

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Do tubulars require special rims ?

Yes, although I have seen tubulars on a clincher 27" rim
once. (The question of "why" was not answered.)

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What is better for long distance road races ?!

Opinions vary. Some conditions favor clinchers, and a few
favor tubulars.

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What are the Pro's using these days ?!

They use what they feel will give them the best edge
for the conditions, unless they're racing for a team
that is sponsored by a tire maker...in which case, they
use the tires they are given, and presumably they learn
to like them.

At the most recent MD150, a spectator familiar with the
difference reported to me that the vast majority of
participants were riding clinchers. This race is not
typical, however, and should not be used as a basis for any
conclusions overall.
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Carl Sundquist said:

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Do tubulars require special rims ?

Yes they do.

A true tubular aficionado would have said, "Tubulars use
regular rims. Everything else requires special rims."

Interestingly, in the 1906 Sears-Roebuck catalog behind me,
the bicycle tires listed are all tubulars. The rims were
wood in those days, and the tires were glued on just as
tubulars are today.

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Werehatrack said:

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:51:32 -0500, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-

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"Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote
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> Do tubulars require special rims ?
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Yes they do.

A true tubular aficionado would have said, "Tubulars use
regular rims. Everything else requires special rims."

Interestingly, in the 1906 Sears-Roebuck catalog behind me,
the bicycle tires listed are all tubulars. The rims were
wood in those days, and the tires were glued on just as
tubulars are today.

Dear Werehatrack,

Bah! Stop living in the past! Where have you been for the
last ten years?

You need to get an up-to-date internet-available mail-order
bi-cycle catalogue:

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Specifically:

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and

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and

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Either scan that Sears-Roebuck onto the internet or use its
pages for their traditional purpose!

Morley--the wave of the future!

Carl Fogel

Tubular tires, as we call them today were the only tires
for cars and bicycles in the early days of pneumatic tires
and were just called tires then. What sets them aside is
that tires have an open casing that is held between the
beads of the rim that is also (U-shaped). This allows
access to the tube in the event of a puncture while the old
tubulars could only be repaired by stuffing rubber bands
and glue into the hole.

Racing tubulars were not made as a closed hose around a
captive tube but were made as a seamless bias two ply
endless belt with a tread glued to one side. A tube was laid
inside and the casing sewn shut around what becomes a tire.
This stitch can be opened to access the tube and patch it as
well as to inlay boot material where there are cord cuts.
This is a time consuming process and it requires some skill
that is not readily learned as I discovered in the years I
ran weekly tire patch sessions for about 15 years in the
days before high performance clincher tires.

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I do not ride tubulars any more and have four sets of
tubular wheels gathering dust today. I see no reason for
using them. The rolling resistance measurements of
various tires was enough to kill the common believe that
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The glue offset makes them worse than better clinchers.

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill"
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it is a unitary assembly >

Is this sort of assembly legal? Isn't there something in the
patriot act against this

Andres

PS: Sorry, I've been spending way too much time in the
"misslead" thread

(andres muro) said:

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

it is a unitary assembly >

Is this sort of assembly legal? Isn't there something in
the patriot act against this

Andres

PS: Sorry, I've been spending way too much time in the
"misslead" thread

FWIW, I took one glance at it and ignored the thread. (Bush-
bashing used to be fun, but it's too easy now; no
challenge.)
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rault-<< At the most recent MD150, a spectator familiar with
the difference reported to me that the vast majority of
participants were riding clinchers. This race >><BR><BR>

Race??

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At the most recent MD150, a spectator familiar with the
difference reported to me that the vast majority of
participants were riding clinchers. This race >>

Race??Peter Chisholm Vecchio's

or is that MS 150? not a race,officially.! I've done it 4
years,and feel embarrassed to show up on my high-end
stuff,having trained with reasonable discipline, only find
lots of people who do it on Huffy's that don't fit,don't
shift, with underinflated tires, who manage to finish. ;-)

(Neacalban1) said:

Quoted message said:

At the most recent MD150, a spectator familiar with the
difference reported to me that the vast majority of
participants were riding clinchers. This race >>

Race??Peter Chisholm Vecchio's

or is that MS 150? not a race,officially.! I've done it 4
years,and feel embarrassed to show up on my high-end
stuff,having trained with reasonable discipline, only find
lots of people who do it on Huffy's that don't fit,don't
shift, with underinflated tires, who manage to finish. ;-)

Yeah, sorry, it's the Houston-Austin MS150. About a mile
from the start, the head of the wave goes by at a decent
speed in a fairly steady stream; I've been delayed on the
way to places on the west side of town a couple of times by
that event, so I've had a chance to see both the lead and
the rest stream by. At that point, there are still a number
of punters near the front on ride-what-you-got backyard bang-
ups and fresh-from-Oshman's-last-year stuff, but the lead's
already shaken out to being mostly roadies and mostly fit.
The fact that quite a lot of the people on Huffys, Murrays,
Walgeese, and other assorted such gear will actually make it
to Austin is a source of considerable delight to some...and
some embarassment to a few among the "what the hell are
*they* doing here?" elite. A spy along the route up near
Bellville related that in the front group last year, it was
all roadies...and there was a maniac about a quarter of a
mile behind them stroking furiously along on a knobby-tired
mtb. (I asked if said maniac had a participant number; my
source didn't recall, so that may have been a local who just
jumped in for the moment.)

If I feel ready for it, I might make the run myself next
year. I suspect I'd end up about halfway back. I'm no
distance racer; I can go like hell for a little while, but
when the energy runs out, I'm a rolling roadblock...if I'm
lucky. That seems to describe a fair number of MS150 riders.

But I won't try it on an art bike, that's for sure.
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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill"
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Yes, although I have seen tubulars on a clincher 27" rim
once. (The question of "why" was not answered.)

I've done that once myself. The answer was that my spare
(the tubular) was the only way to get the poor bloke whose
clincher shredded (bad cut which ruined the tire casing)
home. It worked remarkably well. Quite an abuse of a nice
Clement Criterium Seta tire, but no harm was done.

- Skip

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Yes, although I have seen tubulars on a clincher 27" rim
once. (The question of "why" was not answered.)

I've done that once myself. The answer was that my spare
(the tubular) was the only way to get the poor bloke whose
clincher shredded (bad cut which ruined the tire casing)
home. It worked remarkably well. Quite an abuse of a nice
Clement Criterium Seta tire, but no harm was done.

- Skip

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:47:50 GMT, [email hidden]

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Tubular tires, as we call them today were the only tires
for cars and bicycles in the early days of pneumatic tires
and were just called tires then. What sets them aside is
that tires have an open casing that is held between the
beads of the rim that is also (U-shaped). This allows
access to the tube in the event of a puncture while the old
tubulars could only be repaired by stuffing rubber bands
and glue into the hole.

This is unclear. Did you mean "Clincher tires, as we call
them today..."? Tubulars don't have an open casing held
between U-shaped rim beads...
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Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian said:

Quoted message said:

Tubular tires, as we call them today were the only tires
for cars and bicycles in the early days of pneumatic
tires and were just called tires then. What sets them
aside is that [today] tires have an open casing that is
held between the beads of the rim that is also (U-
shaped). This allows access to the tube in the event of a
puncture while the old tubulars could only be repaired by
stuffing rubber bands and glue into the hole.

Quoted message said:

This is unclear. Did you mean "Clincher tires, as we call
them today..."? Tubulars don't have an open casing held
between U-shaped rim beads...

Tubular tires, as we call them today, were the only tires
for cars and bicycles in the early days of pneumatic tires,
and were just called tires then. A bit of context may have
been lost in the above excerpt.

That was before the clincher was introduced. eg. All
tires were tubulars, as you can see on the web site Carl
Fogel offered.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:29:15 GMT, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Tubular tires, as we call them today, were the only tires
for cars and bicycles in the early days of pneumatic tires,
and were just called tires then. A bit of context may have
been lost in the above excerpt.

That was before the clincher was introduced. eg. All
tires were tubulars, as you can see on the web site Carl
Fogel offered.

Actually, in reading the material I had a little more
closely, I noticed that by 1908 there was a form of clincher
on the market for bikes; see the G&J Detachable Tire on page
170 of the 1908 Sears catalog, pictured here:

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(It's a big image, about 400K)
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