Clinchers versus Tubulars

Was it necessary to cross-post to three newsfroups? One would
suffice. Seems kinda trollish, actually.

Churchill said:

First issue, can someone explain to me what a clincher is and what a tubular
is ?!

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html

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Do I have clinchers because it has the lip on the tire that goes under the
rim ?!

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html

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Do tubulars require special rims ?

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html

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What is better for long distance road races ?! What are the Pro's using
these days ?!

Whichever type you know how to repair is better for long distance
road races, unless you're a pro, in which case it doesn't matter
because you've got a guy following you with a vanload of extra
pre-mounted and pre-inflated tires on wheels (and a few extra
bikes).
--
Rick Onanian

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Quoted message said:

First issue, can someone explain to me what a clincher is and what a

tubular

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is ?!

Do I have clinchers because it has the lip on the tire that goes under the
rim ?!

Do tubulars require special rims ?

What is better for long distance road races ?! What are the Pro's using
these days ?!

You need to do some reading:

Sheldon Brown (he's the man!)
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html

From the Bicycle FAQ
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part3/section-14.html

Churchill said:

First issue, can someone explain to me what a clincher is and what a tubular
is ?!

A clincher is usually held onto the rim by wires enbedded in the tire. There
are other varieties these days, but the clincher or ``wired on'' is the
standard tire found on most bikes,

A tubular has the tube sewn into the casing, is almost round im cross
section across the tire and is held onto the rim by a special kind of glue
called. Tubasti. Tubasti is a brand name but the other brands are not worthy
of note.

Quoted message said:

Do I have clinchers because it has the lip on the tire that goes under the
rim ?!

Yes you do

Quoted message said:

Do tubulars require special rims ?

Yes they do.

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What is better for long distance road races ?! What are the Pro's using
these days ?!

Tubulars are better for any kind of road and/or track cycling.

The pros prefer to use tubulars (glued ons or ``tubs''😉 but ride whatever
they are told to ride.

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le Vent a Dos. Davey Crockett
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Do tubulars require special rims ?

Yes they do.

A true tubular aficionado would have said, "Tubulars use regular rims.
Everything else requires special rims."

Rick Onanian said:

Was it necessary to cross-post to three newsfroups? One would
suffice. Seems kinda trollish, actually.

Quite trollish, I thought.

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is better for long distance road races ?! What are the Pro's
using these days ?!

Whichever type you know how to repair is better for long distance
road races, unless you're a pro, in which case it doesn't matter
because you've got a guy following you with a vanload of extra
pre-mounted and pre-inflated tires on wheels (and a few extra
bikes).

Now that is one very excellent summation!

Churchill said:

First issue, can someone explain to me what a clincher is and what a tubular
is ?!

Tubular: A tire that is installed with glue, adhered to the face of
the rim; it is a unitary assembly which includes the tube inside the
sewn-shut tire. It is much more difficult to repair than a clincher.

Clincher: A tire whose sidewalls bear against flanges on the rim,
held in place by the tire's inflation pressure. The tire and tube are
easily separable since the tire is not sewn closed.

Quoted message said:

Do I have clinchers because it has the lip on the tire that goes under the
rim ?!

Yes.

Quoted message said:

Do tubulars require special rims ?

Yes, although I have seen tubulars on a clincher 27" rim once. (The
question of "why" was not answered.)

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What is better for long distance road races ?!

Opinions vary. Some conditions favor clinchers, and a few favor
tubulars.

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What are the Pro's using
these days ?!

They use what they feel will give them the best edge for the
conditions, unless they're racing for a team that is sponsored by a
tire maker...in which case, they use the tires they are given, and
presumably they learn to like them.

At the most recent MD150, a spectator familiar with the difference
reported to me that the vast majority of participants were riding
clinchers. This race is not typical, however, and should not be used
as a basis for any conclusions overall.
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Tubular tires, as we call them today were the only tires for cars and
bicycles in the early days of pneumatic tires and were just called
tires then. What sets them aside is that tires have an open casing
that is held between the beads of the rim that is also (U-shaped).
This allows access to the tube in the event of a puncture while the
old tubulars could only be repaired by stuffing rubber bands and glue
into the hole.

Racing tubulars were not made as a closed hose around a captive tube
but were made as a seamless bias two ply endless belt with a tread
glued to one side. A tube was laid inside and the casing sewn shut
around what becomes a tire. This stitch can be opened to access the
tube and patch it as well as to inlay boot material where there are
cord cuts. This is a time consuming process and it requires some
skill that is not readily learned as I discovered in the years I ran
weekly tire patch sessions for about 15 years in the days before high
performance clincher tires.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part3/section-15.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part3/section-16.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part3/section-25.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part3/section-19.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part3/section-23.html

I do not ride tubulars any more and have four sets of tubular wheels
gathering dust today. I see no reason for using them. The rolling
resistance measurements of various tires was enough to kill the common
believe that they roll better.

http://www.terrymorse.com/bike/imgs/rolres.gif

The glue offset makes them worse than better clinchers.

Jobst Brandt
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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill" <[email hidden]> wrote:

it is a unitary assembly >

Is this sort of assembly legal? Isn't there something in the patriot
act against this

Andres

PS: Sorry, I've been spending way too much time in the "misslead"
thread

(andres muro) said:

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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill" <[email hidden]> wrote:

it is a unitary assembly >

Is this sort of assembly legal? Isn't there something in the patriot
act against this

Andres

PS: Sorry, I've been spending way too much time in the "misslead"
thread

FWIW, I took one glance at it and ignored the thread. (Bush-bashing
used to be fun, but it's too easy now; no challenge.)
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Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
Some gardening required to reply via email.
Surrealism is a pectinated ranzel.

andres muro said:

Quoted message said:

it is a unitary assembly >

Is this sort of assembly legal? Isn't there something in the patriot act
against this

Andres

You're confusing this with a "Unitarian Assembly", which is indeed a
godless gaggle and a threat to democracy. "Unitarian Assemblies" are also
notorious for an overabundance of small parts and their lack of included
cement.

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Yes, although I have seen tubulars on a clincher 27" rim once. (The
question of "why" was not answered.)

I've done that once myself. The answer was that my spare (the tubular) was
the only way to get the poor bloke whose clincher shredded (bad cut which
ruined the tire casing) home. It worked remarkably well. Quite an abuse of
a nice Clement Criterium Seta tire, but no harm was done.

- Skip

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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Yes, although I have seen tubulars on a clincher 27" rim once. (The
question of "why" was not answered.)

I've done that once myself. The answer was that my spare (the tubular) was
the only way to get the poor bloke whose clincher shredded (bad cut which
ruined the tire casing) home. It worked remarkably well. Quite an abuse of
a nice Clement Criterium Seta tire, but no harm was done.

- Skip

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:47:50 GMT, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Tubular tires, as we call them today were the only tires for cars and
bicycles in the early days of pneumatic tires and were just called
tires then. What sets them aside is that tires have an open casing
that is held between the beads of the rim that is also (U-shaped).
This allows access to the tube in the event of a puncture while the
old tubulars could only be repaired by stuffing rubber bands and glue
into the hole.

This is unclear. Did you mean "Clincher tires, as we call them
today..."? Tubulars don't have an open casing held between U-shaped
rim beads...
--
Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian said:

Quoted message said:

Tubular tires, as we call them today were the only tires for cars
and bicycles in the early days of pneumatic tires and were just
called tires then. What sets them aside is that [today] tires have
an open casing that is held between the beads of the rim that is
also (U-shaped). This allows access to the tube in the event of a
puncture while the old tubulars could only be repaired by stuffing
rubber bands and glue into the hole.

Quoted message said:

This is unclear. Did you mean "Clincher tires, as we call them
today..."? Tubulars don't have an open casing held between U-shaped
rim beads...

Tubular tires, as we call them today, were the only tires for cars and
bicycles in the early days of pneumatic tires, and were just called
tires then. A bit of context may have been lost in the above excerpt.

That was before the clincher was introduced. eg. All tires were
tubulars, as you can see on the web site Carl Fogel offered.

Jobst Brandt
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:29:15 GMT, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Tubular tires, as we call them today, were the only tires for cars and
bicycles in the early days of pneumatic tires, and were just called
tires then. A bit of context may have been lost in the above excerpt.

That was before the clincher was introduced. eg. All tires were
tubulars, as you can see on the web site Carl Fogel offered.

Actually, in reading the material I had a little more closely, I
noticed that by 1908 there was a form of clincher on the market for
bikes; see the G&J Detachable Tire on page 170 of the 1908 Sears
catalog, pictured here:

http://www.instantattitudes.com/images/sears1908pg170.jpg

(It's a big image, about 400K)
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Surrealism is a pectinated ranzel.

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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:12:34 -0400, "Churchill" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Yes, although I have seen tubulars on a clincher 27" rim once. (The
question of "why" was not answered.)

I've done that once myself. The answer was that my spare (the tubular) was
the only way to get the poor bloke whose clincher shredded (bad cut which
ruined the tire casing) home. It worked remarkably well. Quite an abuse of
a nice Clement Criterium Seta tire, but no harm was done.

- Skip