Cleaning Out Arteries

"TonishaWallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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As I get toward middle aged I'd like to clean my arteries
out with a good

diet

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and supplements and herbs. What would be the best things
for me to take?

Daily walks.

--Rich

From: [email hidden] (TonishaWallace)

As I get toward middle aged I'd like to clean my arteries
out with a good diet and supplements and herbs. What would
be the best things for me to take?

-------------------------

I dunno.

I've read that taking fruit fiber/pectin (grapefruit,
apple, etc.), & eating more vegetables with fiber, might be
good for this.

Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

PS I remember reading an article, where the doctors are
experimenting with injections of the good cholesteral,
... which can somehow clean out the arteries. ???

In article <[email hidden]>,

(TonishaWallace) said:

As I get toward middle aged I'd like to clean my arteries
out with a good diet and supplements and herbs. What would
be the best things for me to take?

Start exercising regularly, eat a lot less fat and more
fruits and vegetables, and cut down on your total caloric
intake. That will do it for most people.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

TonishaWallace said:

As I get toward middle aged I'd like to clean my arteries
out with a good diet and supplements and herbs. What would
be the best things for me to take?

Well, if you can hack it, the Ornish diet is probably a good
way to try. (I say "if you can hack it" because the diet has
some fairly strong restrictions and many people are not able
to stay on it. However, there have been some good clinical
results for those who did stay on it.)

I don't think there's been a lot of evidence that any
particular herb or supplement will magically clean out
your arteries with no particular effort on your part.
Alas. I wish there was such a miracle substance. We could
all take it.

Getting some regular exercise (if you aren't already) is
also a good idea.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Cleaning Out Arteries
From: [email hidden] (TonishaWallace)
Date: 5/7/2004 11:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time
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As I get toward middle aged I'd like to clean my arteries
out with a good diet and supplements and herbs. What would
be the best things for me to take?

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries
From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 5/8/2004 11:25 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <20040508012305.22456.00000087@mb-
m29.wmconnect.com>, [email hidden]

(TonishaWallace) said:

As I get toward middle aged I'd like to clean my arteries
out with a good

diet

Quoted message said:

and supplements and herbs. What would be the best things
for me to take?

Start exercising regularly, eat a lot less fat and more
fruits and vegetables, and cut down on your total caloric
intake. That will do it for most people.

Indeed, but there are other ways, never mind they are
bebunked by the *gang*.

ahha.orgguthrie.htmOpen ↗

Jan

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries
From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 5/8/04 3:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Start exercising regularly, eat a lot less fat and more
fruits and vegetables, and cut down on your total caloric
intake. That will do it for most people.

Decent advice but incompetent.

Learn to eat your food without encouraging indigestion. That
is, eat fruit and veggie meals, or carbo meals, or protien
meals, but do not mix the three. Learn how to digest your
food properly while avoiding indigestion.

Fruit and veggies are straight forward enough.

Carbos mean that a blt is bread-lettuce-tomato...no bacon

Protein means meat. No bread. No rice. And always eat
veggies with meat for their fiber since meat has no
dietary fiber.

DrC PhD

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From: Orac
[email hidden] Date: 5/8/2004 11:25 AM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id: <orac-
[email hidden]>

In article <20040508012305.22456.00000087@mb-
m29.wmconnect.com>, [email hidden]

(TonishaWallace) said:

As I get toward middle aged I'd like to clean my
arteries out with a

good

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

diet

Quoted message said:

and supplements and herbs. What would be the best
things for me to

take?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Start exercising regularly, eat a lot less fat and more
fruits and vegetables, and cut down on your total caloric
intake. That will do it for most people.

Indeed, but there are other ways, never mind they are
bebunked by the

*gang*.

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ahha.orgguthrie.htmOpen ↗

From this site:

"Intravenous chelation therapy is touted as a chemical
method of cleaning out arteries and removing plaque. [...]
It is an unproven therapy--time-consuming, and expensive..."

And that is the truth.

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DRCEEPHD said:

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From: Orac
[email hidden] Date: 5/8/04 3:25 PM Eastern Daylight
Time Message-id: <orac-
[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Start exercising regularly, eat a lot less fat and more
fruits and vegetables, and cut down on your total caloric
intake. That will do it for most people.

Decent advice but incompetent.

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*Learn to eat your food without encouraging indigestion.
That is, eat *fruit and veggie meals, or carbo meals, or
protien meals, but do not *mix the three. Learn how to
digest your food properly while avoiding *indigestion.

"Learn" how to digest? I can't wait to hear where one
takes lessons.

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Fruit and veggies are straight forward enough.

Carbos mean that a blt is bread-lettuce-tomato...no bacon

Protein means meat. No bread. No rice. And always eat
veggies with meat for their fiber since meat has no
dietary fiber.

Oh, gads, you can't go eating meat with veggies! Those are
two different kinds of food! One is protein, one is carbos.
Terrible, terrible thing to mix them. See "Dr" Cee's
paragraph above, which I have starred.

Me, I combine all those things any way I like and my
digestion is just fine.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/8/2004 4:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Indeed, but there are other ways, never mind they are
bebunked by the *gang*.

ahha.orgguthrie.htmOpen ↗

Jan

geez Jan..

when YOU or some chelation quackster can PROVE and DOCUMENT
with pre and post chelation angiographic EVIDENCE that
chelation can and does reduce plaque....THEN go right ahead
and jump into such discussions as this..

in the meantime..STFU..

debunk?? no....we call it "standard of care in the
community" and "evidence based medicine"...

all we ask is the evidence

hawki.....

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 5/8/2004 5:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From:
[email hidden] (Jan) Date: 5/8/2004 4:01 PM Pacific
Daylight Time Message-id: <20040508190113.08439.00000937@mb-
m10.aol.com>

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Indeed, but there are other ways, never mind they are
bebunked by the

*gang*.

Quoted message said:

ahha.orgguthrie.htmOpen ↗

Jan

geez Jan..

when YOU or some chelation quackster can PROVE and DOCUMENT
with pre and post chelation angiographic EVIDENCE that
chelation can and does reduce plaque....THEN go right ahead
and jump into such discussions as this..

in the meantime..STFU..

I beg your pardon Ms Liar.

Times are indeed changing--and all because of you. In our
society, the traditional structure of the doctor-patient
relationship is being transformed by patients like
yourselves who are no longer willing to assume the passive
role, but choose instead to be "active patients," educating
themselves about their condition so that they can become
partners with their physicians in the management of their
healthcare. Herb of Corona del Mar, California, is typical
of this new breed of medical consumer who fortify themselves
with information, explore all treatment options thoroughly,
and then commit themselves 100 percent to the treatments
that make the most sense to them.

Because of a bone disease in his hips called avascular
necrosis, Herb had walked with crutches and lived pain for
two and one-half years. Discouraged after more than a year
of unsuccessful treatment, Herb contacted one of the new
health information services to provide him with information
about his hip condition. Included in his report from the
service was an article about a new experimental treatment
called hyperbaric oxygen (HBO) that had been successful for
a disorder similar to Herb's. Herb contacted the doctor who
wrote the article and asked if this therapy might be
beneficial for his condition. The doctor replied that the
HBO has not been proven effective for avascular necrosis,
but he felt that in Herb's case it was worth trying.

Herb underwent 28 HBO treatments over a period of six weeks.
For nine months following the treatments he continued to use
crutches, while he gradually increased his weight bearing.
He also began swimming a mile three to four times a week,
and on the days when he didn't swim he did 500 sit-ups and
250 push-ups!

Today, Herb walks without crutches or a cane and is free of
pain. X-rays taken a year after the HBO treatments showed
evidence not only of a halt in the deterioration of the hip
bones, but also show areas of new healthy bone tissue
replacing dead bone tissue. In a letter to the health
information service he used, Herb stated, "Without the
article you sent me on hyperbaric oxygen treatment, none of
my progress would have been possible."

Another patient who took charge of his healthcare is George
of Valley Stream, New York. In 1985, diagnostic tests
revealed that George's right carotid artery was completely
closed and his left artery was 50-79 percent obstructed.
(The carotid arteries are blood vessels that begin at the
large artery of the heart and run straight up through the
neck.) Surgery was recommended to clean the fatty deposits
from the left artery, but surgery was not an option for the
artery which was totally obstructed. George was told that he
was a prime candidate for a massive stroke.

George then sought second, third, and even fourth opinions.
He also began reading everything he could about carotid
artery disease. He ordered a comprehensive research report
on his condition from a health information service.

George's reading left with many concerns about the
recommended surgery. He learned that the operation itself
caused strokes in 15 percent of the patients, five percent
of whom died as a result. There were also growing charges
that the surgery was often done unnecessarily.

He also learned about a highly controversial alternative
treatment for arterial occlusion called chelation therapy.
Intravenous chelation therapy is touted as a chemical method
of cleaning out arteries and removing plaque. There has been
considerable opposition to this therapy from both the
American Medical Association and the Food and Drug
Administration. It is an unproven therapy--time-consuming,
and expensive--factors George had to weigh carefully.

George decided to pursue the chelation therapy and found a
physician experienced in the procedure. This physician
stressed the importance of lifestyle changes, changes which
George had already decided were necessary.

George increase his intake of fiber, decreased his meat
consumption, and reduced his fat intake considerably. He
exercised daily on a stationary bicycle that also exercised
the upper body.

After six months of chelation therapy and adherence to his
new dietary and exercise regimen, Doppler tests revealed
that the obstruction in George's left carotid artery was now
33 percent, a significant decrease from the original 50-79
percent occlusion. Today George's gains remain stable. He
continues to follow his exercise and nutrition program and
to have chelation treatments once a month.

The next time you or a member of your family is faced with
a medical problem, remember these stories and join the
ranks of the "active patient." You may want to explore
treatment options yourself or you may choose to enlist the
services of a health information service. These services
can provide information on treatments, research, resource
organizations, and the leading medical experts connected
with your disorder.

Most of the services are holistic in orientation--providing
information on both conventional medical treatments and
alternative or adjunctive treatments such as naturopathic
and homeopathic treatments, acupuncture, and mind-body
approaches.

Editor's Note: AHHA offers a list of Health Information
Search Services.

Janice Guthrie is president of The Health Resource, a
medical research service she founded in 1984. She was a
researcher and administrator in higher education before a
diagnosis of cancer spurred her to develop this business as
a service to others with medical problems. She was one of
the contractors in the recent U.S. Congressional study of
alternative cancer therapies. She can be reached at
(800) 949-0090 and www.thehealthresource.com.

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From: [email hidden]
(Hawki63) Date: 5/8/2004 5:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20040508215728.09012.00000145@mb-
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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From:
[email hidden] (Jan) Date: 5/8/2004 4:01 PM Pacific
Daylight Time Message-id: <20040508190113.08439.00000937@mb-
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Indeed, but there are other ways, never mind they are
bebunked by the

*gang*.

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ahha.orgguthrie.htmOpen ↗

Jan

geez Jan..

when YOU or some chelation quackster can PROVE and
DOCUMENT with pre and

post

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Quoted message said:

chelation angiographic EVIDENCE that chelation can and
does reduce plaque....THEN go right ahead and jump into
such discussions as this..

in the meantime..STFU..

I beg your pardon Ms Liar.

Times are indeed changing--and all because of you. In our
society, the traditional structure of the doctor-patient
relationship is being

transformed

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by patients like yourselves who are no longer willing to
assume the

passive

Quoted message said:

role, but choose instead to be "active patients,"
educating themselves

about

Quoted message said:

their condition so that they can become partners with
their physicians in

the

Quoted message said:

management of their healthcare. Herb of Corona del Mar,
California, is typical of this new breed of

medical

Quoted message said:

consumer who fortify themselves with information, explore
all treatment

options

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thoroughly, and then commit themselves 100 percent to the
treatments that

make

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the most sense to them.

Because of a bone disease in his hips called avascular
necrosis, . . . <

SNIP >

If Herb was accurately diagnosed, anyone with any medical
education can see that the rest of this post is [censored].
The word "avascular" means without blood vessels...no
blood, no nutrients, no oxygen supply to the hip joints.
The word "necrosis" means DEATH...the hip joints had DIED
because of the lack of blood supply. In case you haven't
heard yet, Jan, DEATH is irreversible--by conventional or
alternative medicine. The only treatment for avascular
necrosis of the hips is surgical total hip replacement with
prosthetic implants.

George underwent unproven therapy with undocumented risks,
rejecting PROVEN therapy with DOCUMENTED risk/benefit data.
Where's the wisdom in that? The risk numbers quoted in this
article may sound scary to the naive reader, but what they
really show is that MOST of the people who undergo carotid
endarterectomy benefit by improved circulation to the brain
and reduced risk of stroke. There is NO reason to believe
that "chelation therapy" offers similar benefits other that
"it is touted" (not doubt by those who stand to profit.)

--Rich

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/8/2004 7:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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I beg your pardon Ms Liar.

so Janny merely reposts the drivel

however...since she either did not READ...nor most likely
did not COMPREHEND what she reads..

ie

she reposts THIS

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He also learned about a highly controversial alternative
treatment for arterial occlusion called chelation therapy

Quoted message said:

Intravenous chelation therapy is touted as a chemical
method of cleaning out arteries and removing plaque. Ther

not proven...not documented by ANGIOGRAPHIC proof

ahhhh...but George does it anyoo..

and

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This physician stressed the importance of lifestyle
changes, changes which George had already decided were
necessary.

George increase his intake of fiber, decreased his meat
consumption, and reduced his fat intake considerably.

hmmm...remember this part folks

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He exercised daily on a stationary bicycle that also
exercised the upper body.

and the above

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Doppler tests revealed that the obstruction in
George's left

no...if Janny were as SMART as you thinks she is (which is
laughable and pathetic)

Janny would know that DOPPLER is NOT angiography (look it
up Janster)

Doppler is sound waves..

WHY do I point this out??

Perhaps because George's lifestyle changes...especially
excercising,,,combined with a low fat diet..etc....MOST
LIKELY resulted in LOWER blood pressure....hence LOWER
pressure within the carotid arteries..

no change in level of plaque at all

ie..the CHELATION did SQUAT (cepting empty George's
wallet)....

lowering the pressures within the vasculature WILL give
better DOPPLER readings

Janny....nah..not a liar here...just a complete and utter
dunce and know nothing...

Doppler is NOT radiological or angiographic proof...

hence this chelation story is about as dimwitted a bulb
as you are..

hawki.....

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 5/8/2004 10:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From:
[email hidden] (Jan) Date: 5/8/2004 7:06 PM Pacific
Daylight Time Message-id: <20040508220650.10186.00001149@mb-
m15.aol.com>

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I beg your pardon Ms Liar.

so Janny merely reposts the drivel

In your opinion. It certainly wasn't drivel to those who
were helped, and you sure are one cold [censored] of a nurse, who
likes to belittle and call others success dimwitted.

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however...since she either did not READ...nor most likely
did not COMPREHEND what she reads..

Same ole same ole LIE from you.

Your typical taking aprt the article is just what I
predicted.

Others who are not [censored] trying to show their superiority
might read it with an open mind,

ahha.orgguthrie.htmOpen ↗

Times are indeed changing--and all because of you. In our
society, the traditional structure of the doctor-patient
relationship is being transformed by patients like
yourselves

****who are no longer willing to assume the passive role,
but choose instead to be "active patients," educating
themselves about their condition so that they can become
partners with their physicians in the management of their
healthcare****
. Herb of Corona del Mar, California, is typical of this new
breed of medical consumer who fortify themselves with
information, explore all treatment options thoroughly, and
then commit themselves 100 percent to the treatments that
make the most sense to them.

Because of a bone disease in his hips called avascular
necrosis, Herb had walked with crutches and lived pain for
two and one-half years. Discouraged after more than a year
of unsuccessful treatment, Herb contacted one of the new
health information services to provide him with information
about his hip condition. Included in his report from the
service was an article about a new experimental treatment
called hyperbaric oxygen (HBO) that had been successful for
a disorder similar to Herb's. Herb contacted the doctor who
wrote the article and asked if this therapy might be
beneficial for his condition. The doctor replied that the
HBO has not been proven effective for avascular necrosis,
but he felt that in Herb's case it was worth trying.

Herb underwent 28 HBO treatments over a period of six weeks.
For nine months following the treatments he continued to use
crutches, while he gradually increased his weight bearing.

***He also began swimming a mile three to four times a week,
and on the days when he didn't swim he did 500 sit-ups and
250 push-ups! ****

***Today, Herb walks without crutches or a cane and is free
of pain. X-rays taken a year after the HBO treatments showed
evidence not only of a halt in the deterioration of the hip
bones, but also show areas of new healthy bone tissue
replacing dead bone tissue.***

In a letter to the health information service he used,
Herb stated,

***"Without the article you sent me on hyperbaric oxygen
treatment, none of my progress would have been possible."***

Another patient who took charge of his healthcare is George
of Valley Stream, New York. In 1985, diagnostic tests
revealed that George's right carotid artery was completely
closed and his left artery was 50-79 percent obstructed.
(The carotid arteries are blood vessels that begin at the
large artery of the heart and run straight up through the
neck.) Surgery was recommended to clean the fatty deposits
from the left artery, but surgery was not an option for the
artery which was totally obstructed. George was told that he
was a prime candidate for a massive stroke.

George then sought second, third, and even fourth opinions.
He also began reading everything he could about carotid
artery disease. He ordered a comprehensive research report
on his condition from a health information service.

***George's reading left with many concerns about the
recommended surgery. He learned that the operation itself
caused strokes in 15 percent of the patients, five percent
of whom died as a result. There were also growing charges
that the surgery was often done unnecessarily.****

He also learned about a highly controversial alternative
treatment for arterial occlusion called chelation therapy.
Intravenous chelation therapy is touted as a chemical method
of cleaning out arteries and removing plaque.

***There has been considerable opposition to this therapy
from both the American Medical Association and the Food and
Drug Administration. It is an unproven therapy--time-
consuming, and expensive--factors George had to weigh
carefully.***

George decided to pursue the chelation therapy and found a
physician experienced in the procedure. This physician
stressed the importance of lifestyle changes, changes which
George had already decided were necessary.

George increase his intake of fiber, decreased his meat
consumption, and reduced his fat intake considerably. He
exercised daily on a stationary bicycle that also exercised
the upper body.

***After six months of chelation therapy and adherence to
his new dietary and exercise regimen, Doppler tests revealed
that the obstruction in George's left carotid artery was now

**** 33 percent, a significant decrease from the original
50-79 percent occlusion.****

Today George's gains remain stable. He continues to follow
his exercise and nutrition program and to have chelation
treatments once a month****.

The next time you or a member of your family is faced with
a medical problem, remember these stories and join the
ranks of the "active patient." You may want to explore
treatment options yourself or you may choose to enlist the
services of a health information service. These services
can provide information on treatments, research, resource
organizations, and the leading medical experts connected
with your disorder.

Most of the services are holistic in orientation--providing
information on both conventional medical treatments and
alternative or adjunctive treatments such as naturopathic
and homeopathic treatments, acupuncture, and mind-body
approaches.

Editor's Note: AHHA offers a list of Health Information
Search Services.

Janice Guthrie is president of The Health Resource, a
medical research service she founded in 1984. She was a
researcher and administrator in higher education before a
diagnosis of cancer spurred her to develop this business as
a service to others with medical problems. She was one of
the contractors in the recent U.S. Congressional study of
alternative cancer therapies. She can be reached at
(800) 949-0090 and www.thehealthresource.com.

Jan

Jan the Accuser said:

Same ole same ole LIE from you.

Lying? You're accusing someone of LYING, again? Why don't
you ever PROVE your accusations? Is it because they're FALSE
accusations?

Like this one:

To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-
m01.aol.com

Jan said:

Quoted message said:

From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
what your motives may be.

Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
NEVER accused

anyone of

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any such thing.

So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
shills -----

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-
fn.aol.com

Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-
fw.aol.com

Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
off his wife.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-
ct.aol.com

As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-
mn.aol.com

As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
own people.

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From: [email hidden]
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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From:
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I beg your pardon Ms Liar.

so Janny merely reposts the drivel

In your opinion. It certainly wasn't drivel to those who
were helped, and

you

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sure are one cold [censored] of a nurse, who likes to belittle
and call others success dimwitted.

Whoa! Are you Gymmy Boy's mother ???????????????

(Jan) said:

It certainly wasn't drivel to those who were helped, and
you sure are one cold [censored] of a nurse, who likes to
belittle and call others success dimwitted.

Jan says it is ALWAYS wrong to belittle. Indeed. Jan the
inveterate liar and hypocrite strikes again.

Aloha,

Rich
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The best defense to logic is ignorance

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(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From: [email hidden]
(Hawki63) Date: 5/8/2004 10:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From:
[email hidden] (Jan) Date: 5/8/2004 7:06 PM Pacific
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I beg your pardon Ms Liar.

so Janny merely reposts the drivel

In your opinion. It certainly wasn't drivel to those who
were helped, and you sure are one cold [censored] of a nurse,
who likes to belittle and call others success dimwitted.

Jan, I thought you said it was always wrong to belittle.
Perhaps you can tell me how calling someone a "cold [censored] of
a nurse" is not belittling. If you can't explain why it is
OK for you to call people such things but not OK for others
to use such terms, then you are indeed a hypocrite.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040509025452.04754.00000202@mb-
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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From:
[email hidden] (Hawki63) Date: 5/8/2004 10:15 PM
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>Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Arteries From:
>[email hidden] (Jan) Date: 5/8/2004 7:06 PM
>Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: <20040508220650.10186.00001149@mb-
>m15.aol.com>

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Quoted message said:

>I beg your pardon Ms Liar.
>

so Janny merely reposts the drivel

In your opinion. It certainly wasn't drivel to those who
were helped, and

you

Quoted message said:

sure are one cold [censored] of a nurse, who likes to
belittle and call others success dimwitted.

Whoa! Are you Gymmy Boy's mother ???????????????

Jan is just giving the NG an example of her "It's NEVER
right to belittle others" behavior. Oops, apparently "it's
never right for somebody other than Jan to belittle" is more
like it.....