Classic health fraud

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Peter Moran said:

This new entry to the market has it all.

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I'll do you one better:

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"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

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Subject: Classic health fraud From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 1/11/2004 12:52 PM
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This new entry to the market has it all.

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Peter Moran

Why are you so concerned with it? Has it killed anyone?

Why not be concerned with the big killers??

Needless deaths and mistakes, side effects from drugs?

Jan

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This new entry to the market has it all.

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That stuff has so much calcium that if you take two tablets you will feel like hanging onto a cave
ceiling....

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Subject: Classic health fraud From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 1/11/2004 12:52 PM
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This new entry to the market has it all.

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Peter Moran

Why are you so concerned with it? Has it killed anyone?

Why not be concerned with the big killers??

Needless deaths and mistakes, side effects from drugs?

There are three possible issues with an "alternative" health product.

Is it fraudulent - i.e. designed to take people's money without offering anything of use in return,
or via false claims? Doesn't that bother you?

Is it unsafe? It doesn't have to be directly harmful, if it induces people to rely on it to do
things it cannot, or to temporise with useless treatments instead of having symptoms looked into. I
actually came across it on a cancer forum where it was said that a clinic is using it as a mainstay
in cancer treatment.

Is it based on sound science? I think even you would recognise the purported "scientific" basis
for the product as technobabble. If not you haven't been paying enough attention in your years on
this list.

On all three grounds this qualifies as quackery, healthfraud, chralatanism, or any other name you
wish to apply.

Peter Moran

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Moran said:

This new entry to the market has it all.

tamahi.comtamahi.comOpen ↗

I'll do you one better:

alexchiu.comalexchiu.comOpen ↗

"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

Yes, Alex warrants a category of his own. .

Peter

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Subject: Re: Classic health fraud From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 1/11/2004 3:10 PM
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>Peter Moran

Why are you so concerned with it? Has it killed anyone?

Why not be concerned with the big killers??

Needless deaths and mistakes, side effects from drugs?

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There are three possible issues with an "alternative" health product.

Is it fraudulent - i.e. designed to take people's money without offering anything of use in
return, or via false claims?

Is it? Or is this an opinion? You said *an* alternative health product.

You are completely brain washed, when you see the word alternative, up

comes

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the red flag that says, IT IS WORTHLESS.

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Doesn't that bother you?

Your attitude does. What also bothers me are the HUGE issues, like

*needless*

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mistakes and deaths.

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Is it unsafe?

You mean you don't know?? You have said it is classic health fraud, but

you

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don't know if it is unsafe.

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It doesn't have to be directly harmful, if it induces people to rely on it to do things it
cannot, or to temporise with useless treatments instead of having symptoms looked into.

Do proof these treatments are useless.

Having things looked into is another problem. Too many *we can't find

anything

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wrongs*

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I actually came across it on a cancer forum where it was said that a clinic is using it as a
mainstay in cancer treatment.

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Is it based on sound science?

Doesn't fly. Sixty eight percent of conventional medicine is NOT based on science.

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I think even you

That's that *even you* again!!

What does that mean?

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would recognise the purported "scientific" basis for the product as technobabble.

Much technobabble comes from you.

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If not you haven't been paying enough attention in your years on this list.

LOL!!!! Attention to whom?????????

Your *arrogance* is abundant.

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On all three grounds this qualifies as quackery, healthfraud,

chralatanism,

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or any other name you wish to apply.

Peter Moran

Like I asked. has it killed anyone?

Why bother with the tiny issues rather than address the HUGE ones??

You would rather make a big deal out of tamahi, and let REAL health FRAUD slide, just as you did
with Dr. Wilson who committed *deliberate and

repeated*

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fraud, and KILLED a young teenager, and remains on staff.

Now, that is REAL health fraud!

Hey butch, why is it OK for you to totally change the subject when your brain is running on empty?

stupid skeptic tricks are OK when it's your idea huh.

carabelli

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Jan

You do realise the product only contains calcium carbonate (chalk)? But of course you don't, do you?

Peter Moran

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In article <[email hidden] .au>, "Peter

Moran said:

This new entry to the market has it all.

tamahi.comtamahi.comOpen ↗

I'll do you one better:

alexchiu.comalexchiu.comOpen ↗

"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

Yes, Alex warrants a category of his own. .

Peter

I have a pair of Alex's rings and I haven't died since I got them. There's a testimonial for you.

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.au>, "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> This new entry to the market has it all.
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I'll do you one better:

alexchiu.comalexchiu.comOpen ↗

"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

Yes, Alex warrants a category of his own. .

Peter

I have a pair of Alex's rings and I haven't died since I got them. There's a testimonial for you.

This reminds me of a story from HS which I will spare you...(unless you ask).

However, using the brilliant retort by my classmate Tom M. as the basis for mine...

With two immortality rings you will twice as long.

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In article <[email hidden] .au>, "Peter
Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> This new entry to the market has it all.
>
> tamahi.comtamahi.comOpen ↗

I'll do you one better:

alexchiu.comalexchiu.comOpen ↗

"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

Yes, Alex warrants a category of his own. .

Peter

I have a pair of Alex's rings and I haven't died since I got them. There's a testimonial for you.

I was all set to order the immortality rings until I noticed that "t" between the "r" and the "a".

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Mark ProbertJanuary 14 said:

With two immortality rings you will twice as long.

Twice is nice, but liquor is quiker... ;^]

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