Classic health fraud

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Peter Moran said:

This new entry to the market has it all.

http://www.tamahi.com/

I'll do you one better:

http://www.alexchiu.com/

"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

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Subject: Classic health fraud
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 1/11/2004 12:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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This new entry to the market has it all.

http://www.tamahi.com/

Peter Moran

Why are you so concerned with it? Has it killed anyone?

Why not be concerned with the big killers??

Needless deaths and mistakes, side effects from drugs?

Jan

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This new entry to the market has it all.

http://www.tamahi.com/

That stuff has so much calcium that if you take two tablets you will feel
like hanging onto a cave ceiling....

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Subject: Classic health fraud
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 1/11/2004 12:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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This new entry to the market has it all.

http://www.tamahi.com/

Peter Moran

Why are you so concerned with it? Has it killed anyone?

Why not be concerned with the big killers??

Needless deaths and mistakes, side effects from drugs?

There are three possible issues with an "alternative" health product.

Is it fraudulent - i.e. designed to take people's money without offering
anything of use in return, or via false claims? Doesn't that bother you?

Is it unsafe? It doesn't have to be directly harmful, if it induces people
to rely on it to do things it cannot, or to temporise with useless
treatments instead of having symptoms looked into. I actually came across
it on a cancer forum where it was said that a clinic is using it as a
mainstay in cancer treatment.

Is it based on sound science? I think even you would recognise the
purported "scientific" basis for the product as technobabble. If not you
haven't been paying enough attention in your years on this list.

On all three grounds this qualifies as quackery, healthfraud, chralatanism,
or any other name you wish to apply.

Peter Moran

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Jan

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In article
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.au>,

Peter Moran said:

This new entry to the market has it all.

http://www.tamahi.com/

I'll do you one better:

http://www.alexchiu.com/

"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

Yes, Alex warrants a category of his own. .

Peter

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Subject: Re: Classic health fraud
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 1/11/2004 3:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Quoted message said:

Subject: Classic health fraud
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 1/11/2004 12:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

<[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

This new entry to the market has it all.

http://www.tamahi.com/

Peter Moran

Why are you so concerned with it? Has it killed anyone?

Why not be concerned with the big killers??

Needless deaths and mistakes, side effects from drugs?

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There are three possible issues with an "alternative" health product.

Is it fraudulent - i.e. designed to take people's money without offering
anything of use in return, or via false claims?

Is it? Or is this an opinion? You said *an* alternative health product.

You are completely brain washed, when you see the word alternative, up comes
the red flag that says, IT IS WORTHLESS.

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Doesn't that bother you?

Your attitude does. What also bothers me are the HUGE issues, like *needless*
mistakes and deaths.

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Is it unsafe?

You mean you don't know?? You have said it is classic health fraud, but you
don't know if it is unsafe.

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It doesn't have to be directly harmful, if it induces people
to rely on it to do things it cannot, or to temporise with useless
treatments instead of having symptoms looked into.

Do proof these treatments are useless.

Having things looked into is another problem. Too many *we can't find anything
wrongs*

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I actually came across
it on a cancer forum where it was said that a clinic is using it as a
mainstay in cancer treatment.

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Is it based on sound science?

Doesn't fly. Sixty eight percent of conventional medicine is NOT based on
science.

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I think even you

That's that *even you* again!!

What does that mean?

Quoted message said:

would recognise the
purported "scientific" basis for the product as technobabble.

Much technobabble comes from you.

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If not you
haven't been paying enough attention in your years on this list.

LOL!!!! Attention to whom?????????

Your *arrogance* is abundant.

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On all three grounds this qualifies as quackery, healthfraud, chralatanism,
or any other name you wish to apply.

Peter Moran

Like I asked. has it killed anyone?

Why bother with the tiny issues rather than address the HUGE ones??

You would rather make a big deal out of tamahi, and let REAL health FRAUD
slide, just as you did with Dr. Wilson who committed *deliberate and repeated*
fraud, and KILLED a young teenager, and remains on staff.

Now, that is REAL health fraud!

Jan

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Subject: Re: Classic health fraud
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 1/11/2004 3:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>Subject: Classic health fraud
>From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
>Date: 1/11/2004 12:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>This new entry to the market has it all.
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>http://www.tamahi.com/
>
>Peter Moran

Why are you so concerned with it? Has it killed anyone?

Why not be concerned with the big killers??

Needless deaths and mistakes, side effects from drugs?

Quoted message said:

There are three possible issues with an "alternative" health product.

Is it fraudulent - i.e. designed to take people's money without offering
anything of use in return, or via false claims?

Is it? Or is this an opinion? You said *an* alternative health product.

You are completely brain washed, when you see the word alternative, up

comes

Quoted message said:

the red flag that says, IT IS WORTHLESS.

Quoted message said:

Doesn't that bother you?

Your attitude does. What also bothers me are the HUGE issues, like

*needless*

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mistakes and deaths.

Quoted message said:

Is it unsafe?

You mean you don't know?? You have said it is classic health fraud, but

you

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don't know if it is unsafe.

Quoted message said:

It doesn't have to be directly harmful, if it induces people
to rely on it to do things it cannot, or to temporise with useless
treatments instead of having symptoms looked into.

Do proof these treatments are useless.

Having things looked into is another problem. Too many *we can't find

anything

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wrongs*

Quoted message said:

I actually came across
it on a cancer forum where it was said that a clinic is using it as a
mainstay in cancer treatment.

Quoted message said:

Is it based on sound science?

Doesn't fly. Sixty eight percent of conventional medicine is NOT based on
science.

Quoted message said:

I think even you

That's that *even you* again!!

What does that mean?

Quoted message said:

would recognise the
purported "scientific" basis for the product as technobabble.

Much technobabble comes from you.

Quoted message said:

If not you
haven't been paying enough attention in your years on this list.

LOL!!!! Attention to whom?????????

Your *arrogance* is abundant.

Quoted message said:

On all three grounds this qualifies as quackery, healthfraud,

chralatanism,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or any other name you wish to apply.

Peter Moran

Like I asked. has it killed anyone?

Why bother with the tiny issues rather than address the HUGE ones??

You would rather make a big deal out of tamahi, and let REAL health FRAUD
slide, just as you did with Dr. Wilson who committed *deliberate and

repeated*

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fraud, and KILLED a young teenager, and remains on staff.

Now, that is REAL health fraud!

Hey butch, why is it OK for you to totally change the subject when your
brain is running on empty?

stupid skeptic tricks are OK when it's your idea huh.

carabelli

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Jan

You do realise the product only contains calcium carbonate (chalk)? But of
course you don't, do you?

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: Classic health fraud
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 1/11/2004 10:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
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You do realise the product only contains calcium carbonate (chalk)? But of
course you don't, do you?

Peter Moran

Has this *chalk* killed anyone??

Has it helped anyone?

Tamahi Calcium Coral Calcium Shark Cartilage
Form Liquid Dry capsule Dry capsule
RDI 5 mg 500 mg 500 mg
Source Living magma aquifer Beach sand coral reef Living sharks
Active Ingredient Hydrophilic Calcium Hydrophobic Calcium Hydrophobic Calcium
Technology Ormus - nano Colloid Colloid

While we cannot assert what this product does, we can offer testimonials of
what some people say it has does for them. WE ACCEPT AND KNOW THAT ASPIRIN
WORKS, BUT NO SCIENCE CAN EXPLAIN WHY IT WORKS.

http://www.tamahi.com/

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In article
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Peter Moran said:

This new entry to the market has it all.

http://www.tamahi.com/

I'll do you one better:

http://www.alexchiu.com/

"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

Yes, Alex warrants a category of his own. .

Peter

I have a pair of Alex's rings and I haven't died since I got them.
There's a testimonial for you.

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.au>,
"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> This new entry to the market has it all.
>
> http://www.tamahi.com/

I'll do you one better:

http://www.alexchiu.com/

"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

Yes, Alex warrants a category of his own. .

Peter

I have a pair of Alex's rings and I haven't died since I got them.
There's a testimonial for you.

This reminds me of a story from HS which I will spare you...(unless you
ask).

However, using the brilliant retort by my classmate Tom M. as the basis for
mine...

With two immortality rings you will twice as long.

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Peter Moran said:

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In article
<[email hidden]
.au>,
"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> This new entry to the market has it all.
>
> http://www.tamahi.com/

I'll do you one better:

http://www.alexchiu.com/

"Immortality"? Talk about a quack with chutzpah!

Yes, Alex warrants a category of his own. .

Peter

I have a pair of Alex's rings and I haven't died since I got them.
There's a testimonial for you.

I was all set to order the immortality rings until I noticed that "t"
between the "r" and the "a".

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Mark ProbertJanuary 14 said:

With two immortality rings you will twice as long.

Twice is nice, but liquor is quiker... ;^]

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