Clarkson goes off on one.

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According to the Top Gear host we are all "Nazis" now.
Apologies (or congrats) for missing Jordan's business end,
but it wouldn't fit in my scanner (obviously).

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I do believe Mr Larrington has the answer to the problem of
the woolly-haired [censored].

Cheers, helen s

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Simon Mason said:

According to the Top Gear host we are all "Nazis" now.
Apologies (or congrats) for missing Jordan's business end,
but it wouldn't fit in my scanner (obviously).

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Is it a problem with your scanner or did you screw the
article up before scanning it?

If the latter, was this a form of criticism?
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According to the Top Gear host we are all "Nazis" now.
Apologies (or congrats) for missing Jordan's business end,
but it wouldn't fit in my scanner (obviously).

His fault, IMO, is that he's confusing muesli eaters,
Gruniad readers and lycra wearers. As one who wears lycra,
occasionally eats muesli and never reads the Gruniad I'd
like to say that I think pavement cyclists are a pain.
Whether they pose more danger to me than a genuine disabled
carriage or a motor car, which in some cases the driver
while not actually disabled may as well be, is irrelevent by
virtue of the fact they are seperate issues. Clarkson is
worthy of that oft used rebuttal in uk.tosspot: "tu quoque".
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Simon Mason posted ...

Quoted message said:

According to the Top Gear host we are all "Nazis" now.
Apologies (or congrats) for missing Jordan's business end,
but it wouldn't fit in my scanner (obviously).

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In sheer numbers, and ignoring the inflammatory remarks,
he's probably right that cyclists knock down and injure more
pedestrians than invalid carriages
do .. Maybe we need testing, or something like an MOT, for
cyclists and cycles ?

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Quoted message said:

In sheer numbers, and ignoring the inflammatory remarks,
he's probably right that cyclists knock down and injure
more pedestrians than invalid carriages
do .. Maybe we need testing, or something like an MOT, for
cyclists and cycles ?

Such tests & standards don't seem to have stopped
motorists killing thousands of people each year and
injuring even more.

Cheers, helen s

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Quoted message said:

According to the Top Gear host we are all "Nazis" now.
Apologies (or congrats) for missing Jordan's business end,
but it wouldn't fit in my scanner (obviously).

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Obviously the lycra-lout rant at the end was ignorant and
wrong - but he has a point about the tests for these invalid
carriages though. It does seem unnecessary to regulate these
vehicles so heavy handedly when they are necessary for the
disabled - and they don't seem to cause a problem (you
hardly ever see them, let alone get knocked down by them!).

On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:19:06 +0100, "Simon Mason"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

According to the Top Gear host we are all "Nazis" now.
Apologies (or congrats) for missing Jordan's business end,
but it wouldn't fit in my scanner (obviously).
simonmason.karoo.netzclarkson.htmOpen ↗

Speaking as a Guardian-reading, muesli-eating lycra-wearing
and (given my advancing years) progressively more wizened
cyclist, I can only say that if I have managed to [censored]
Clarkson off to that extent, I must undoubtedly be doing
something very right indeed.

What paper was it? I would like to write in and answer his
question: less than one per year (compared with about
seventy per year killed on the pavement by motorists, and
the same again on pedestrian crossings).

Guy
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wrote in message : said:

In sheer numbers, and ignoring the inflammatory remarks,
he's probably right that cyclists knock down and injure
more pedestrians than invalid carriages do

Indeed. While the number hit by invalid carriages is
negligible, the number hit by cyclists is all the way up to
insignificant.

Guy
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Quoted message said:

Simon Mason posted ...

Quoted message said:

According to the Top Gear host we are all "Nazis" now.
Apologies (or congrats) for missing Jordan's business
end, but it wouldn't fit in my scanner (obviously).

simonmason.karoo.netzclarkson.htmOpen ↗

In sheer numbers, and ignoring the inflammatory remarks,
he's probably right that cyclists knock down and injure
more pedestrians than invalid carriages do .. Maybe we
need testing, or something like an MOT, for cyclists and
cycles ?

I wouldn't object to it if it reduced the number of people
who ride like complete tossers and cause people to hate
cyclists in general. Of course, there'd be no need for it if
there were decent numbers of traffic police about.

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

Quoted message said:

In sheer numbers, and ignoring the inflammatory remarks,
he's probably right that cyclists knock down and injure
more pedestrians than invalid carriages do .. Maybe we
need testing, or something like an MOT, for cyclists and
cycles ?

Such tests & standards don't seem to have stopped
motorists killing thousands of people each year and
injuring even more.

Righto. Go and find figures for casualties in countries
without driving tests, or even just countries with driving
tests less stringent than ours.

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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:19:06 +0100, "Simon Mason"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

What paper was it? I would like to write in and answer his
question: less than one per year (compared with about
seventy per year killed on the pavement by motorists, and
the same again on pedestrian crossings).

He normally writes for the Sun IIRC. But I don't know for
sure whether that's where this article was published
(although the formatting looks right for it)

On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:34:24 +0100, "Doki" <[email hidden]>

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Go and find figures for casualties in countries without
driving tests, or even just countries with driving tests
less stringent than ours.

Less stringent than ours? What, they count the heads and you
pass if you have at least one?

Guy
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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:34:24 +0100, "Doki"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message <2hc5deFbduoeU2@uni-
berlin.de>:

Quoted message said:

Go and find figures for casualties in countries without
driving tests, or even just countries with driving tests
less stringent than

ours.

Quoted message said:

Less stringent than ours? What, they count the heads and
you pass if you have at least one?

:-)

I believe in some parts of the US the driving test consists
of driving around the local church once. I can't find a
reference for it though.

Our driving test is one of the most stringent in the world.
Not stringent enough, of course.

I think the main problem is a lack of retesting. We don't
have that good a system for making sure that drivers keep
the standard of their driving to a satisfactory level.

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers posted ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In sheer numbers, and ignoring the inflammatory remarks,
he's probably right that cyclists knock down and injure
more pedestrians than invalid carriages do .. Maybe we
need testing, or something like an MOT, for cyclists and
cycles ?

Such tests & standards don't seem to have stopped
motorists killing thousands of people each year and
injuring even more.

I didn't say they did, and I weren't aware we were
discussing motorists in this thread.

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Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉

Just zis Guy, you know? posted ...

Quoted message said:

wrote in message : said:

In sheer numbers, and ignoring the inflammatory remarks,
he's probably right that cyclists knock down and injure
more pedestrians than invalid carriages do

Indeed. While the number hit by invalid carriages is
negligible, the number hit by cyclists is all the way up
to insignificant.

Exactly my point ... he talks bollocks ...

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On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:51:38 +0100, "Nathaniel Porter"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I think the main problem is a lack of retesting. We don't
have that good a system for making sure that drivers keep
the standard of their driving to a satisfactory level.

To be honest our system for making sure that they have a
satisfactory stanmdard to start with is pretty poor, and I
completely agree on the issue of retests.

Guy
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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:51:38 +0100, "Nathaniel Porter"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

I think the main problem is a lack of retesting. We don't
have that good

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

system for making sure that drivers keep the standard of
their driving to

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

satisfactory level.

To be honest our system for making sure that they have a
satisfactory stanmdard to start with is pretty

I think thats fair comment - but the tragedy is alot of
places still manage to do it worse.

<snip

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers posted ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Such tests & standards don't seem to have stopped
motorists killing thousands of people each year and
injuring even more.

Quoted message said:

I didn't say they did, and I weren't aware we were
discussing motorists in this thread.

I was giving a sense of scale & proportion. Quite frankly
I think cycle training is a good idea, but it should *not*
be used as some sort of excuse to legitimise Clarkson's
bashing of cyclists, which is exactly what the woolly-
haired [censored] does in his usual anti-cyclist rantings.
He's an utter [censored], who talks bollocks, which is
probably the only place he has any.

But isn't that the same as cyclists in this newsgroup taking
the [censored] out of all 4x4 drivers just 'cos some see them as
status symbols ?

Or cyclists taking the [censored] out of any particular section of
road users who they see as all being 'against' cyclists ?

Mind you, it's just the same in the other road users groups
I lurk and post to .. they mostly seem to [censored] each other
off, instead of posting about any positive benefits of what
they do ..

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Quoted message said:

Just zis Guy, you know? posted ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wrote in message : said:

In sheer numbers, and ignoring the inflammatory remarks,
he's probably right that cyclists knock down and injure
more pedestrians than invalid carriages do

Indeed. While the number hit by invalid carriages is
negligible, the number hit by cyclists is all the way up
to insignificant.

Exactly my point ... he talks bollocks ...

sorry, missed a line or two ...

Exactly my point ... he talks bollocks ...

So why does everyone seem to get so uptight about such an
insignificant and unworthy person ? No-one, including most
drivers I know, don't listen to anything he says really,
they just laugh at his prejudices, they don't laugh with
him, they laugh at him.

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