I suppose anyone could attempt to pervert the course of justice by showing a phone record as you describe but I'd suggest there's every likelihood that Mr Clarkson has a contract phone listed in his own name and not some anonymous PAYG.
I have both. I bet a lot of people do.
Would a lot of people, indeed would you, use the record of the 'other' phone to avoid prosecution?
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The picture is pretty [censored] though and it's difficult to be sure what it is in his hand.
Even more to the point.
If it was a phone, hopefully the picture will be sufficiently supported by the testimony of the two eye-witnesses for the police to check his phone records.
I suppose anyone could attempt to pervert the course of justice by showing a phone record as you describe but I'd suggest there's every likelihood that Mr Clarkson has a contract phone listed in his own name and not some anonymous PAYG.
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I have both. I bet a lot of people do.
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Would a lot of people, indeed would you, use the record of the 'other' phone to avoid prosecution?
I think a lot of people would do exactly that (though I would never stoop so low). It is for that reason that "action" by the police in such cases is unlikely - the defence would run rings around the prosecution without a single word of defence evidence even being given. It is still (just) the job of the prosecution to prove the offence, not the other way round.
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The picture is pretty [censored] though and it's difficult to be sure what it is in his hand.
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Even more to the point.
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If it was a phone, hopefully the picture will be sufficiently supported by the testimony of the two eye-witnesses for the police to check his phone records.
You hope that he will be prosecuted, do you?
Is that something you hope for every transient offence (including those committed by, say, close members of your own family - perhaps including your children) or just those committed by people you've taken against on some personal level?
>> Just how many people in this country drive huge Mercedes green >> coloured retro cars? It must run into - well not many - personally I >> think he is innocent and he will no doubt explain that this is a >> travesty of injustice in a forthcoming article.
> He will employ Mr Loophole to assist in his defence, like his speeding > charge last year.
The loophole will be that there is no proof that he was making a phone call. Photographing drivers with objects which *might* be phones in their hands isn't "good" enough. Defence is trivially easy, as anyone who has two phones has already worked out. But it wouldn't work if stopped by a patrol car.
The photographer though has admitted and provided photographic evidence that they were using a camera while driving a moving vehicle.
Really? The report on the beeb news website says that it was a passenger who took the picture.
It is impossible for a passenger to take this photo through the drivers window
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:18:17 +0000, JNugent <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Martin Dann wrote: > >> archierob wrote: > >>> Just how many people in this country drive huge Mercedes green >>> coloured retro cars? It must run into - well not many - personally I >>> think he is innocent and he will no doubt explain that this is a >>> travesty of injustice in a forthcoming article. > >> He will employ Mr Loophole to assist in his defence, like his speeding >> charge last year. > >The loophole will be that there is no proof that he was making a phone >call. Photographing drivers with objects which *might* be phones in >their hands isn't "good" enough. Defence is trivially easy, as anyone >who has two phones has already worked out. But it wouldn't work if >stopped by a patrol car.
The photographer though has admitted and provided photographic evidence that they were using a camera while driving a moving vehicle.
Really? The report on the beeb news website says that it was a passenger who took the picture.
It is impossible for a passenger to take this photo through the drivers window
Ah - I didn't realise you where an authority on such matters. Perhaps he'll ask for you to act as expert witness when his case comes up 🙂
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:18:17 +0000, JNugent <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Martin Dann wrote: >> >>> archierob wrote: >> >>>> Just how many people in this country drive huge Mercedes green >>>> coloured retro cars? It must run into - well not many - personally I >>>> think he is innocent and he will no doubt explain that this is a >>>> travesty of injustice in a forthcoming article. >> >>> He will employ Mr Loophole to assist in his defence, like his speeding >>> charge last year. >> >>The loophole will be that there is no proof that he was making a phone >>call. Photographing drivers with objects which *might* be phones in >>their hands isn't "good" enough. Defence is trivially easy, as anyone >>who has two phones has already worked out. But it wouldn't work if >>stopped by a patrol car. > > The photographer though has admitted and provided photographic > evidence that they were using a camera while driving a moving vehicle.
Really? The report on the beeb news website says that it was a passenger who took the picture.
It is impossible for a passenger to take this photo through the drivers window
Ah - I didn't realise you where an authority on such matters. Perhaps he'll ask for you to act as expert witness when his case comes up 🙂
looking at the angle, he's probably right, at least for a front seat passager, a rear passanger could.
most likely she lent across to take the pic. so probably a risk then, but on the up side they got there 5 mins of fame.
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I hate to say this but I rather like Mr Clarkson - he is over the top - he speaks his mind, even though his bigotry is just that he is amusing with it.
You can't say that on this group - you'll be hung, drawn and quartered!
Nonsense - it's just a few humourless loons who rant about what a monster he is.
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His books are quite good as well ;-)
I was flicking through one in a bookshop a while ago - I found it amusing enough to read a while, but wasn't moved to actually buy it. I suppose I should check the library.
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archierob said the following on 12/03/2008 00:44:
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I hate to say this but I rather like Mr Clarkson - he is over the top - he speaks his mind, even though his bigotry is just that he is amusing with it.
You can't say that on this group - you'll be hung, drawn and quartered!
Nonsense - it's just a few humourless loons who rant about what a monster he is.
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His books are quite good as well ;-)
I was flicking through one in a bookshop a while ago - I found it amusing enough to read a while, but wasn't moved to actually buy it. I suppose I should check the library.
yea they have other books there & - unlike the crud bookshops get strong armed into promoting - some of them are quite good
