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  1. From the Vancouver Sun today. The whole article is here, because the site
    is a subscriber site.

    Doping affects the body and the brain

    Jack Todd
    CanWest News Service
    March 21, 2005

    MONTREAL - A week ago Wednesday, speed skater Clara Hughes flew to Calgary
    from Inzell, Germany, after winning silver and bronze medals at the world
    championships. That Friday evening at the Calgary oval, she completed the
    10,000 metres in 14 minutes, 19.73 seconds, breaking German skater Gunda
    Niemann's 11-year-old world record by nearly three seconds.
    The 10,000 is not an officially recognized distance for women, but it looms
    as a kind of ultimate challenge, the Mount Everest of speed skating. More
    remarkable still is the fact there is absolutely no doubt Hughes, the only
    Canadian to win medals at both the Winter and Summer Olympics, did it
    without doping.
    Four days later, jet-lagged but happy to be home, Hughes spoke with her
    usual eloquence about doping in her sport and the world-wide effort to put
    an end to cheating. In her own career, which encompasses bronze medals in
    cycling in Atlanta in 1996 and speed skating in Salt Lake City in 2002,
    Hughes has seen first-hand the damage doping can do.
    "In cycling, it started around 1995," she said. "The speed of the races
    changed, the way the athletes looked changed. All of a sudden you'd see
    someone who looked totally different and had turned into a different racer
    in a couple of months, and you know that's just not possible. I changed my
    goals and decided that it might only be possible to win the one-day races.
    "I saw what doping can do to your body and your brain. I saw people
    destroyed by that. For me that was the eye-opener. To see what I saw was
    just horrifying, shattering. You'd see someone with five per cent body fat
    and then in the off-season they were bloated because they went off the
    drugs.
    "That led to depression and all these psychological side effects. One day
    you're suddenly amazing and then nothing and everyone else, all those people
    around you who were urging you to cheat, they've moved on and you're left to
    deal with the repercussions. It's really sad."
    Hughes insists she was never tempted to cheat.
    "No way," she said. "I was fortunate never to have people around me who
    tried to make me think that way. When you compete in endurance sports, it's
    such a grueling thing to do. There are so many devastating results and
    disappointments. For me, I've always realized how important it was to do it
    the right way. I've seen what good people went through when they didn't."
    One of the hardest things for a highly competitive athlete to do is to stay
    clean while losing to athletes who are obviously doping.
    "I've known for a fact," said Hughes, "that in some of the biggest races in
    my life I lost to people who were cheating. What can you do? I know the
    truth, so for me that's enough. If I lose, I blame myself. I'm human. I
    don't always eat the right food. Sometimes I'm lazy and I don't train hard
    enough. Sometimes I overtrain."
    - - -
    If there is an ultimate goal for the World Anti-Doping Agency, this is it:
    to make it possible for clean athletes such as Hughes to win, and to prevent
    young people from destroying their lives and their bodies with risky,
    sometimes utterly untested drugs.
    In its brief existence, WADA has made remarkable progress by any standard.
    WADA chairman Richard Pound, not a notoriously patient man, puts it this
    way: "Five years ago, if I had said that in five years we will have an
    international anti-doping code that will be obligatory for the Olympic
    Games, that we'll have the same rules applying to all sports, all countries,
    all athletes, that we'll have a single dispute resolution system, that we'll
    have an international convention under UNESCO and that we will have put in
    $20 million worth of research into anti-doping, no one would would have
    believed it possible. It's been very encouraging."
    The difficulties of enforcing a uniform international doping code are
    obvious. Only this week, Greek sprinters Katerina Thanou and Costas Kenteris
    were cleared by an arbitration panel within their own federation of charges
    that they intentionally refused to take a doping test by leading testers on
    a merry chase over three continents. The IAAF may refuse to accept the
    finding of the arbiters, but the difficulty is there.
    WADA clearly needs greater support and understanding from within the
    political and judicial systems worldwide. In the early 1990s, Christiane
    Ayotte, working at the Doping Control Laboratory in Pointe Claire, Quebec,
    became suspicious of the drug clenbuterol, which was being used to build
    muscle in cattle and horses. Ayotte developed a test for the drug; German
    sprinter Katrin Krabbe tested positive for clenbuterol and was suspended for
    three years. She went to court in Germany and was awarded $690,000 US when a
    German judge ruled that the suspension was too long by two years.
    Still, said Pound, "the gap is narrowing. The perpetrator is always ahead of
    the enforcer. Always, because the perp makes the first move and determines
    when and how, so there's that advantage, but the gap is a lot closer now."
    Of necessity, closing the gap involves a three-pronged political,
    educational and scientific effort -- with the latter the most important.
    "The science of anti-doping is a very young science," said Dr. Olivier
    Rabin, WADA's director of science, "but good science can only help. The
    important thing is to bring in the best science to point to a scientific
    solution. Now you've got an agency such as WADA whose role is to think about
    anti-doping strategies 24 hours a day and to work with national anti-doping
    organizations, national Olympic committees, the international federations.
    We say, 'OK, let's be smart, let's work together, let's have expert
    discussions on what to do and how to do it.
    "It makes a difference. It can only improve."
    - - -
    Despite WADA's international effort at education, despite the suicides of
    young athletes depressed when they go off steroids, despite the explosive
    doping scandal in Major League Baseball, there are still those who argue
    that athletes should simply be allowed to dope themselves anyway they
    please.
    "That's ridiculous," said Hughes. "You're looking at human lives. You're not
    even giving a kid a chance to do a sport the right way. If you allow
    cheating, you're forcing her to destroy herself physically and emotionally
    in order to compete."
    Ayotte sees it much the same way: "What do I say to this? Some athletes stop
    using dope. Sometimes that means they have to quit the sport because they
    can't compete. This is where we have an obligation to act. How many young
    sprinters were forced to quit because Ben Johnson and the other cheaters
    were taking their place? Is this fair? How many young athletes will abandon
    skiing or swimming or hockey because they refuse to dope? If we stop
    cheating, we do this for your sons and our daughters."
    Montreal Gazette
    © The Vancouver Sun 2005

    Copyright © 2005 CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest Global
    Communications Corp. All rights reserved.

  2. Jim Flom said:

    she completed the 10,000 metres in 14 minutes, 19.73 seconds,
    breaking [the] 11-year-old world record by nearly three seconds.

    Antoine Vayer has proved that performances like this aren't humanly
    possible.

  3. "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:3SC%d.84913$fc4.23508@edtnps89...

    Quoted message said:

    From the Vancouver Sun today. The whole article is here, because the site
    is a subscriber site.

    Jim - violating copyright law, as you have done here, is cheating, just as
    much, and sometimes more injurious, than doping. Saving us the obligation
    to register, or pay, is not a valid reason to cheat.

    The idea of keeping sports - cycling - clean is to demonstrate the values of
    individual and team competition as models for achievement in lifeé Or so I
    thought. If that's not the reason, then stealing the story or taking
    performance enhancers are on the same plane, and they teach the same
    lessons.

    It was easier to :
    copy
    dope

    Take your choice. I believe you didn't mean to do something wrong. I am
    also not judging. I am only trying to point out that excuse-making and
    excusing personal responsibility happens all the time. The clean athlete
    only stands for the proposition (in the article) that it is rare that a
    non-cheater can make it to the very top.
    --
    Bonne route,

    Sandy
    Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

  4. Sandy said:

    "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:3SC%d.84913$fc4.23508@edtnps89...

    Quoted message said:

    From the Vancouver Sun today. The whole article is here, because the
    site is a subscriber site.

    Jim - violating copyright law, as you have done here, is cheating, just
    as much, and sometimes more injurious, than doping. Saving us the
    obligation to register, or pay, is not a valid reason to cheat.

    I agree that violating copyright law is wrong. However, I strain to
    see how in this instance you can equate this instance with the
    systematic ruining of many, many lives.
    We can talk about copyright law, if you wish. But it is off-topic.
    Doping is not.
    I would also not presume to speak for what the "clean athlete only
    stands for..."

    Steve

    Quoted message said:


    The idea of keeping sports - cycling - clean is to demonstrate the
    values of individual and team competition as models for achievement in
    lifeé Or so I thought. If that's not the reason, then stealing the
    story or taking performance enhancers are on the same plane, and they
    teach the same lessons.

    It was easier to :
    copy
    dope

    Take your choice. I believe you didn't mean to do something wrong. I
    am also not judging. I am only trying to point out that excuse-making
    and excusing personal responsibility happens all the time. The clean
    athlete only stands for the proposition (in the article) that it is rare
    that a non-cheater can make it to the very top.

    --
    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
    http://www.dentaltwins.com
    Brooklyn, NY
    718-258-5001

  5. Sandy said:

    It was easier to :
    copy
    dope

    If we drag academic plagiarism in here as another example, the most
    common rationale that I hear is: "It seemed a good idea at the time."

  6. "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1gF%d.26479$FB6.10523@trndny09...

    Quoted message said:
    Sandy said:

    "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:3SC%d.84913$fc4.23508@edtnps89...

    Quoted message said:

    From the Vancouver Sun today. The whole article is here, because the
    site is a subscriber site.

    Jim - violating copyright law, as you have done here, is cheating, just
    as much, and sometimes more injurious, than doping. Saving us the
    obligation to register, or pay, is not a valid reason to cheat.

    I agree that violating copyright law is wrong. However, I strain to see
    how in this instance you can equate this instance with the systematic
    ruining of many, many lives.
    We can talk about copyright law, if you wish. But it is off-topic. Doping
    is not.
    I would also not presume to speak for what the "clean athlete only stands
    for..."

    Steve

    Quoted message said:


    The idea of keeping sports - cycling - clean is to demonstrate the values
    of individual and team competition as models for achievement in lifeé Or
    so I thought. If that's not the reason, then stealing the story or
    taking performance enhancers are on the same plane, and they teach the
    same lessons.

    It was easier to :
    copy
    dope

    Take your choice. I believe you didn't mean to do something wrong. I am
    also not judging. I am only trying to point out that excuse-making and
    excusing personal responsibility happens all the time. The clean athlete
    only stands for the proposition (in the article) that it is rare that a
    non-cheater can make it to the very top.

    We'll just have to see if the paper sues a loyal subscriber for a copyright
    violation. Flom will argue fair use in the internet age and that there is no
    perceptible actual damage to the paper. Not that Flom has deep pockets to
    pay any judgment.

  7. "Sandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:3SC%d.84913$fc4.23508@edtnps89...

    Quoted message said:

    From the Vancouver Sun today. The whole article is here, because the
    site is a subscriber site.

    Jim - violating copyright law, as you have done here, is cheating, just as
    much, and sometimes more injurious, than doping. Saving us the obligation
    to register, or pay, is not a valid reason to cheat.

    The idea of keeping sports - cycling - clean is to demonstrate the values
    of individual and team competition as models for achievement in lifeé Or
    so I thought. If that's not the reason, then stealing the story or taking
    performance enhancers are on the same plane, and they teach the same
    lessons.

    It was easier to :
    copy
    dope

    Take your choice. I believe you didn't mean to do something wrong. I am
    also not judging. I am only trying to point out that excuse-making and
    excusing personal responsibility happens all the time. The clean athlete
    only stands for the proposition (in the article) that it is rare that a
    non-cheater can make it to the very top.

    Point taken, Sandy.

    Jim

  8. Jim Flom said:

    From the Vancouver Sun today. The whole article is here, because the site
    is a subscriber site.

    Doping affects the body and the brain

    Jack Todd
    CanWest News Service
    March 21, 2005

    MONTREAL - A week ago Wednesday, speed skater Clara Hughes flew to Calgary
    from Inzell, Germany, after winning silver and bronze medals at the world
    championships. That Friday evening at the Calgary oval, she completed the
    10,000 metres in 14 minutes, 19.73 seconds, breaking German skater Gunda
    Niemann's 11-year-old world record by nearly three seconds.
    The 10,000 is not an officially recognized distance for women, but it looms
    as a kind of ultimate challenge, the Mount Everest of speed skating. More
    remarkable still is the fact there is absolutely no doubt Hughes, the only
    Canadian to win medals at both the Winter and Summer Olympics, did it
    without doping.

    And Jack-off Todd knows this how?

    Magilla

  9. Jim Flom said:

    From the Vancouver Sun today. The whole article is here, because the site
    is a subscriber site.

    Doping affects the body and the brain

    Jack Todd
    CanWest News Service
    March 21, 2005

    MONTREAL - A week ago Wednesday, speed skater Clara Hughes flew to Calgary
    <snip>
    "In cycling, it started around 1995," she said. "The speed of the races
    changed, the way the athletes looked changed. All of a sudden you'd see
    someone who looked totally different and had turned into a different racer
    in a couple of months, and you know that's just not possible.

    Does anyone know if Clara got her excuses from Greg LeMond or Matt Decanio?
    Because it's quite compelling evidence ("looked different"...."different
    racer"...."and you know that's not possible"😉.

    Yeah, we know, Clara. Maybe WADA will use your subjective opinions as a new
    state-of-the-art drug test.

    ---------------

    Dear WADA,

    My name is Clara Hughes and I am an elite fatty racer and stupid cyclist. Can
    you please disqualify all the riders who finished ahead of me in the Montreal
    World Cup race because they "look different." All of them are thinner than me
    and that just can't be right - plus they are faster than me too. Therefore
    they must all be on drugs.

    Sincerely,

    Clara
    Team Einstein Logic

    ---------------

    Thanks,

    Magilla

  10. Jim Flom said:


    Jack Todd
    CanWest News Service
    March 21, 2005

    MONTREAL -

    Quoted message said:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I changed my
    goals and decided that it might only be possible to win the one-day races.
    "I saw what doping can do to your body and your brain. I saw people
    destroyed by that. For me that was the eye-opener. To see what I saw was
    just horrifying, shattering. You'd see someone with five per cent body fat
    and then in the off-season they were bloated because they went off the
    drugs.

    Dear Fat Pig Clara,

    Name one (1) female cyclist whose "body and brain" you "saw destroyed."

    Funny, I never knew that watching a women's race you could see "horrifying" and
    "shattering" sights - does anyone know these riders she's talking about?

    Excellent investigative reporting though - incredible allegations of "destroyed
    bodies and brains" and images of "horrific sights" in the peloton - all
    without a single example. Definitely Pulitzer Prize material.

    Thanks,

    Magilla

  11. Jim Flom said:

    From the Vancouver Sun today. The whole article is here, because the site
    is a subscriber site.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    "I've known for a fact," said Hughes, "that in some of the biggest races in
    my life I lost to people who were cheating.

    How do you know that, Clara? And if you knew they were cheating, why didn't
    you call WADA or USADA immediately and tell them who they were and what drugs
    they were taking?

    Isn't Clara aware of the toll-free number to report cheaters?

    Thanks,

    Magilla

  12. Clara has always been a class act. She is a good role model for any athlete.

    Just my two cents.

  13. "stig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Clara has always been a class act. She is a good role model for any
    athlete.

    Just my two cents.

    Magilla on the other hand, has pretty much established his reputation too.

    JF

  14. "Sandy" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:


    There is nothing a priori wrong with doping.

    Why not?

  15. american TAMMY THOMAS

    boo yah motherfu#ker!

  16. Jim Flom said:

    From the Vancouver Sun today. The whole article is here, because the site
    is a subscriber site.

    Doping affects the body and the brain

    Jack Todd
    CanWest News Service
    March 21, 2005

    MONTREAL - A week ago Wednesday, speed skater Clara Hughes flew to Calgary
    from Inzell, Germany, after winning silver and bronze medals at the world
    championships. That Friday evening at the Calgary oval, she completed the
    10,000 metres in 14 minutes, 19.73 seconds, breaking German skater Gunda
    Niemann's 11-year-old world record by nearly three seconds.

    I was actually present at the "Calgary Oval" riding my bike during an indoor
    trainer session watching. While I have no idea whether she dopes or not, I
    can definitely say that theyre doing something strange with the ice in that
    facility. The atmosphere was definitely different than any other day that
    Ive trained there.

  17. MagillaGorilla said:


    Jim Flom said:


    Jack Todd
    CanWest News Service
    March 21, 2005

    MONTREAL -

    Quoted message said:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I changed my
    goals and decided that it might only be possible to win the one-day races.
    "I saw what doping can do to your body and your brain. I saw people
    destroyed by that. For me that was the eye-opener. To see what I saw was
    just horrifying, shattering. You'd see someone with five per cent body fat
    and then in the off-season they were bloated because they went off the
    drugs.

    Dear Fat Pig Clara,

    Name one (1) female cyclist whose "body and brain" you "saw destroyed."

    I like how you put one (1) two ways. These days, one (1) needs to be sure.

    Quoted message said:

    Funny, I never knew that watching a women's race you could see "horrifying" and
    "shattering" sights - does anyone know these riders she's talking about?

    I don't know what the hell she is talking about, but on the track Carl Sundquist
    does:

    http://tinyurl.com/4y4ak

    Quoted message said:

    Excellent investigative reporting though - incredible allegations of "destroyed
    bodies and brains" and images of "horrific sights" in the peloton - all
    without a single example. Definitely Pulitzer Prize material.

    I hope O'Grady sees the vignette taking form.

  18. "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de :
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    Quoted message said:

    "Sandy" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:


    There is nothing a priori wrong with doping.

    Why not?

    I guess it's a question of whether doping is cheating. Is a Power Bar
    cheating ? It's designed to provide a flow of energy in rapidly usable
    form. It doesn't appear on many restaurant menus. Is it dope ? I (really
    do) suffer from asthma. Some days, I can't ride without medication, which
    enhances my performance to a neutral level. Is that doping ? I have always
    been additcted to enjoying coffee. It used to be dope, at the level I drink
    it ; now it's not. Frank Bouyer can't race and use medication that controls
    his narcolepsy, seemingly beacuse he can't demonstrate that it is not a
    performance enhancing drug. This all has me confused about the broad brush
    meaning of "dope".

    Doping, as I read the word, is attributed a negative meaning, only because
    we think that people who choose to use aids to their cycling output are not
    being fair to other competitors. I am not sure that all the legal training
    aids aren't just as unbalancing. If you can't afford to get VO2 tests, buy
    an SRM, hire a coach, or upgrade every one of your bike's components, you
    could just as easily say that money, itself, gives an unfair advantage.

    The most difficult premise for me to accept is the very long term
    suspensions that are being given out. Removing the possibility to earn a
    (sometimes meagre) living for two years, when such a period could simply end
    that career, seems overdone.
    --
    Bonne route,

    Sandy
    Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

  19. Well Sandy, you've obviously read the article, making you an accomplice
    to the crime.

    Cheater.

  20. Which ice? The kind kept in Igloo coolers, or the ice on the oval?

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