Chung and M_ulish

Bob Pastorio said:

Two cars were waiting at a stoplight. The light turned green, but the man didn't notice it. A
woman in the car behind him is watching traffic pass around them. The woman begins pounding on her
steering wheel and yelling at the man to move. The man doesn't move. The woman is going ballistic
inside her car, ranting and raving at the man, pounding on her steering wheel and dash. The light
turns yellow and the woman begins to blow the car horn, flips him off, screams profanity and
curses at the man. The man looks up, sees the yellow light and accelerates through the
intersection just as the light turns red.

The woman is beside herself, screaming in frustration as she misses her chance to get through
the intersection. As she is still in mid-rant she hears a tap on her window and looks up into
the barrel of a gun held by a very serious looking policeman. The policeman tells her to shut
off her car while keeping both hands in sight. She complies, speechless at what is happening.
After she shuts off the engine, the policeman orders her to exit her car with her hands up. She
gets out of the car and he orders her to turn and place her hands on her car then handcuffs her
and takes her to the police station where she is fingerprinted, photographed, searched, booked
and placed in a cell.

After a couple of hours, a policeman approaches the cell and opens the door for her. She is
escorted back to the booking desk where the original officer is waiting with her personal
effects and says, "I'm really sorry for this mistake. But you see, I pulled up behind your car
while you were blowing your horn, flipping the guy off in front of you, and cussing a blue
streak at him. I noticed the 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'What Would Jesus Do'
bumper sticker, the 'Follow Me to Sunday School' bumper sticker, and the chrome plated Christian
fish emblem on the trunk.

"Naturally I assumed you had stolen the car."

Nice story, Bob.

Are you trying to tell us that the reason you are unable to accept Christ as your Lord and Savior is
because you are afraid that you would be like the woman in your story?

Newsflash: The woman in your story probably did not have Christ in her heart for Christ would have
kept her from behaving as you describe.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Bob Pastorio said:

Two cars were waiting at a stoplight. The light turned green, but the man didn't notice it. A
woman in the car behind him is watching traffic pass around them. The woman begins pounding on her
steering wheel and yelling at the man to move. The man doesn't move. The woman is going ballistic
inside her car, ranting and raving at the man, pounding on her steering wheel and dash. The light
turns yellow and the woman begins to blow the car horn, flips him off, screams profanity and
curses at the man. The man looks up, sees the yellow light and accelerates through the
intersection just as the light turns red.

The woman is beside herself, screaming in frustration as she misses her chance to get through
the intersection. As she is still in mid-rant she hears a tap on her window and looks up into
the barrel of a gun held by a very serious looking policeman. The policeman tells her to shut
off her car while keeping both hands in sight. She complies, speechless at what is happening.
After she shuts off the engine, the policeman orders her to exit her car with her hands up. She
gets out of the car and he orders her to turn and place her hands on her car then handcuffs her
and takes her to the police station where she is fingerprinted, photographed, searched, booked
and placed in a cell.

After a couple of hours, a policeman approaches the cell and opens the door for her. She is
escorted back to the booking desk where the original officer is waiting with her personal
effects and says, "I'm really sorry for this mistake. But you see, I pulled up behind your car
while you were blowing your horn, flipping the guy off in front of you, and cussing a blue
streak at him. I noticed the 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'What Would Jesus Do'
bumper sticker, the 'Follow Me to Sunday School' bumper sticker, and the chrome plated Christian
fish emblem on the trunk.

"Naturally I assumed you had stolen the car."

Nice story, Bob.

Are you trying to tell us that the reason you are unable to accept Christ as your Lord and Savior
is because you are afraid that you would be like the woman in your story?

Sad, sad try for Chung. Poor guy lives the life unexamined. He thinks he's got his free pass so the
rest doesn't matter.

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Romans 14:11 and 12 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and
every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

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Newsflash: The woman in your story probably did not have Christ in her heart for Christ would have
kept her from behaving as you describe.

Christ must lament His failure with M_usclehead. And Chung must bring tears of sadness to His eyes.
Christ hasn't seemed to be much in evidence here in their posts if He prevents people from acting
maliciously or with vanity - poor Chung and M_angler.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according
as his work shall be.

That free will thing lets people show themselves in their true colors. And shows their works in the
blinding light of judgement, on earth and afterward.

Pastorio

Bob Pastorio said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Bob Pastorio said:

<Story of a woman who would be Christian snipped>

Nice story, Bob.

Are you trying to tell us that the reason you are unable to accept Christ as your Lord and
Savior is because you are afraid that you would be like the woman in your story?

Sad, sad try for Chung. Poor guy lives the life unexamined. He thinks he's got his free pass so
the rest doesn't matter.

You have a tough time answering yes/no questions truthfully, Bob.

Untruthful people tend to be this way.

As for Christ being a "free pass," no I don't believe that.

However, I do believe He will defend me when I am judged by God.

See:

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Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Correct.

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Romans 14:11 and 12 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to
me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of
himself to God.

That each of us will. I have chosen to ask Christ to be at my side when I give an account of myself
to God. He has agreed to be at my side.

Wouldn't you want Him to be at your side too?

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Newsflash: The woman in your story probably did not have Christ in her heart for Christ would
have kept her from behaving as you describe.

Christ must lament His failure with M_usclehead.

Mu probably reminds Christ of hot-headed St. Peter.

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And Chung must bring tears of sadness to His eyes.

Chung probably reminds Christ of St. Andrew (I hope :-).

Quoted message said:

Christ hasn't seemed to be much in evidence here in their posts if He prevents people from acting
maliciously or with vanity - poor Chung and M_angler.

Satan lies beaten. We couldn't have done this without Christ.

Quoted message said:

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man
according as his work shall be.

Yes, accepting Christ is in itself a reward.

Quoted message said:

That free will thing lets people show themselves in their true colors.

Especially with that simple choice of accepting Christ as ones Lord and Savior.

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And shows their works in the blinding light of judgement, on earth and afterward.

And would you want to be judged by your works, Bob.

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I didn't think so.

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Pastorio

You poor guy.

May you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior.

You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Bob Pastorio said:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Bob Pastorio wrote:

><Story of a woman who would be Christian snipped>

Nice story, Bob.

Are you trying to tell us that the reason you are unable to accept Christ as your Lord and Savior
is because you are afraid that you would be like the woman in your story?

Sad, sad try for Chung. Poor guy lives the life unexamined. He thinks he's got his free pass so
the rest doesn't matter.

You have a tough time answering yes/no questions truthfully, Bob.

I have no trouble answering intelligent questions that truly seek information. Chung's questions are
like the ones I used to get from one of my students. They were designed to show off and get points
over others. Like the old, "Do you still beat your wife" kind of transparent "questions." Not
sincere questions at all. That's why Chung has earned the title of "fraud." His insincerity marks
his "questions."

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Untruthful people tend to be this way.

Another of Chung's nonsense "old sayings" that nobody who speaks English with any facility would
dream of writing.

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As for Christ being a "free pass," no I don't believe that.

Chung has said how many times and in how many different words that he's saved and that's that. Looks
like when he's pinned down to a yes or no question, he changes his tune. Poor dissembling Chung.

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However, I do believe He will defend me when I am judged by God.

See:

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Funny how it's not up to Chung...

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Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Correct.

Yet Chung and his "friend" M_ucilage act in profoundly unloving ways. That's de facto hypocrisy. No
further definition needed. Say one thing and act a different way.

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Romans 14:11 and 12 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to
me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of
himself to God.

That each of us will. I have chosen to ask Christ to be at my side when I give an account of
myself to God. He has agreed to be at my side.

Wouldn't you want Him to be at your side too?

I already told Chung and the world that I've been comfortable with my relationship to Jesus for
more than a half-century. I certainly don't need a quack and fraud with the theological depth of
a tiny puddle proselytizing me. I've studied and learned from wise people who truly understood
what Jesus wants from us and demonstrated that a Christian life is difficult and rewarding if
done conscientiously. Chung and M_uskrat think anything goes as long as they say the right words,
mouth the right formula. Praying on street corners and on the internet instead of in the closet
as Jesus wants it.

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Newsflash: The woman in your story probably did not have Christ in her heart for Christ would
have kept her from behaving as you describe.

Christ must lament His failure with M_usclehead.

Mu probably reminds Christ of hot-headed St. Peter.

More likely he reminds Christ of a cowardly child, mean-spirited and bent on causing suffering. How
unutterably absurd to compare the malicious Mu_shroom to the sincere but weak Peter. Peter redeemed
himself with good works. Don't see any of that with Chung's nasty alter ego.

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And Chung must bring tears of sadness to His eyes.

Chung probably reminds Christ of St. Andrew (I hope :-).

St. Andrew is surrounded with legend and not much is known about him. He preached the gospel and
was ultimately crucified on an X-shaped cross from which, legend says, he preached for two days
before he died.

He was "the first disciple" and eagerly accepted Jesus as the messiah. But it's very likely that
he didn't behave as Chung does here. It's very likely he didn't lie. Or try to embarrass people.
Or distort what they say. Or shower people with scorn and badger them with malicious preaching
*at* them.

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Christ hasn't seemed to be much in evidence here in their posts if He prevents people from acting
maliciously or with vanity - poor Chung and M_angler.

Satan lies beaten. We couldn't have done this without Christ.

The untruthful have a hard time staying on topic or replying directly to observations. Chung and
Mu_ssels attack others with fighting words. They lie and dissemble. They deal in fabrication and
sheer invention. They show by their actions that they seek to embarrass and cause pain. That's what
Jesus doesn't seem to be stopping.

Chung talks about Satan as an active enemy. Sounds like he's not too sure about it. Never did deal
with the question of why God, omnipotent, permits an enemy with great power to thwart Him.

And where is this Satan lying beaten? Chung has lately been talking about Satan not as though beaten
at all. Change of tune like now he wants people to ask their doctors about the zany 2PD instead of
taking it all on themselves? Chung's mutable truth. Get it at your neighborhood 7-11 by the gallon.

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Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man
according as his work shall be.

Yes, accepting Christ is in itself a reward.

Not what it says there. The untruthful have a hard time staying on topic or replying directly to
observations.

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That free will thing lets people show themselves in their true colors.

Especially with that simple choice of accepting Christ as ones Lord and Savior.

Again, the untruthful have a hard time speaking directly. Talking about Chung's actions, not what's
hidden in his head.

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And shows their works in the blinding light of judgement, on earth and afterward.

And would you want to be judged by your works, Bob.

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My words stand. Chung makes himself into a clear liar by his distortions and misrepresentations.
Chung is a fraud. Chung is a quack. Period. He defines himself by his actions and his words. Those
characterizations are accurate and damning. NO amount of Chungspeak will change that.

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I didn't think so.

The fraud Chung is again pretending to see into hearts. How many demonstrations will he provide of
his unloving behavior? How many times will he contradict his words with his actions? Poor Chung.

He actually thinks he's comparable to St. Andrew. Poor deluded Chung.

Pastorio

MD/PhD said:

Mu probably reminds Christ of hot-headed St. Peter.

Yeah, well, don't go blaming the mess of the Catholic Church on me.

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And Chung must bring tears of sadness to His eyes.

Chung probably reminds Christ of St. Andrew (I hope :-).

lol

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Christ hasn't seemed to be much in evidence here in their posts if He prevents people from acting
maliciously or with vanity - poor Chung and M_angler.

Satan lies beaten. We couldn't have done this without Christ.

Quoted message said:

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man
according as his work shall be.

Yes, accepting Christ is in itself a reward.

Oh, me, Pastry Bob is playing the "your not perfect so your not <Christian-saved-relevant-correct-
pick one> game. I suppose he thinks this is a revelation in argumentation against Jesus.

Get in line. This is nearly 2,000 years old and was stale by 70 A.D.

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And would you want to be judged by your works, Bob.

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The hypocrisy of it all.

I tell you what Andrew, people like Pastorio, ime, think this is some sort of rhetorical game and
they had better be right because if, if they are the least bit wrong, they literally will not live
through it.

The stakes are not high, they are absolute.

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MD/PhD said:

However, I do believe He will defend me when I am judged by God.

..................

NOW you're getting warmer, Dr. Chung. That word "believe" is creeping in to your posts. You did not
say "know" - you said "believe."

Bravo, Dr. Chung.

There is hope for you. My prayers for you are being answered. (Yea, I've been praying for you -- I
just don't talk about it.)

smn

Stephen Nagler said:

MD/PhD said:

However, I do believe He will defend me when I am judged by God.

..................

NOW you're getting warmer, Dr. Chung. That word "believe" is creeping in to your posts. You did
not say "know" - you said "believe."

Bravo, Dr. Chung.

There is hope for you.

Hope for me to renounce (or betray) Christ?

Why would you hope that (unless you were possessed by Satan) ?

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My prayers for you are being answered. (Yea, I've been praying for you -- I just don't talk
about it.)

You just did.

It sounds like you have been praying to Satan.

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smn

You remain in my prayers, Stephen.

May you choose to follow Christ instead of Satan.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:37:06 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

NOW you're getting warmer, Dr. Chung. That word "believe" is creeping in to your posts. You did not
say "know" - you said "believe."

1 a : to have a firm religious faith

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Bravo, Dr. Chung.

There is hope for you. My prayers for you are being answered. (Yea, I've been praying for you -- I
just don't talk about it.)

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SunNoM_un said:

MD/PhD said:

Mu probably reminds Christ of hot-headed St. Peter.

Yeah, well, don't go blaming the mess of the Catholic Church on me.

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And Chung must bring tears of sadness to His eyes.

Chung probably reminds Christ of St. Andrew (I hope :-).

lol

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Christ hasn't seemed to be much in evidence here in their posts if He prevents people from acting
maliciously or with vanity - poor Chung and M_angler.

Satan lies beaten. We couldn't have done this without Christ.

Quoted message said:

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man
according as his work shall be.

Yes, accepting Christ is in itself a reward.

Oh, me, Pastry Bob is playing the "your not perfect so your not <Christian-saved-relevant-correct-
pick one> game. I suppose he thinks this is a revelation in argumentation against Jesus.

Poor stupid M_uleheaded boy. I'm saying that you two are *deliberately *imperfect using your "faith"
in a simplistic credo as a weapon to hurt people. Not argumentation against Jesus at all. It focuses
on fraud and quackery and cowardice of you two. Poor M_ulchpile has the reading comprehension of,
well, Chung.

I have no argument with Jesus nor His teachings. I try to live by them. They represent a wonderful
and loving enlargement of the human vista, if lived with the correct spirit. They also permit
casting moneychangers - defilers - from the temple steps. I have dispute with frauds and self-
congratulatory "Christians" who forget the part quoted above that He will reward "every man
according as his work shall be."

Chung and M_asturbation say that *all* that's necessary is to believe. No actions matter. No deeds
count. No words affect anything. No other conditions apply. And they act like that. In contradiction
to Jesus' words. And they do so with the swagger of schoolyard bullies. But this is usenet and there
are no bullies, only blowhards like them who posture in public believing themselves clever and above
the fray. They are the fray. They are the reasons for the strife.

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Get in line. This is nearly 2,000 years old and was stale by 70 A.D.

Poor not-too-bright M_ungbean. Confuses contempt for *him* with anti-Christian words. Or does he
think he represents Christianity in a good light? Does he think that he exemplifies Christianity as
Jesus would? Does he think he's a good representation of someone living the Christian life? Loving
his neighbor as himself?

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And would you want to be judged by your works, Bob.

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The hypocrisy of it all.

The irony of it all. The words in my posts stand. The words that Chung adds to serve his overweening
ego are essentially lies. It speaks for itself.

I'll happily stand for judgement of my words. They're true and accurate. Chung is a fraud and a
quack. How complex is that?

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I tell you what Andrew, people like Pastorio, ime, think this is some sort of rhetorical game and
they had better be right because if, if they are the least bit wrong, they literally will not live
through it.

Funny how neither Chung nor M_alice aforethought even reflect for an instant that they had better be
right or they become absolute losers. Funny how they attribute to others their very failings. Funny
how their smugness translates as the desperate gestures of the simplistic mind. They figuratively
strut around like big, tough boys who can handle themselves and when it all comes down to things,
one is an anonymous coward whose purpose is to mock and revile. The other trolls and spams the net
for customers and deliberately tries to drive off other knowledgeable people so he can have a
newsgroup all to himself and his acolytes and sockpuppets.

I bet they think that Jesus said something like, "Go ye, therefore, and be dishonest in all the
lands. Besmirch my name with childish ravings and mock and revile people of good will and sincere
spirit. Provoke and scorn the multitudes for they are mere cattle for thy low amusement. Love
thyself above all others, but be sparing in the love wasted on the people, for it is better to keep
unto thine own self the assurance of thine honored place..."

The say they believe and love Jesus. But they show no love, no respect. Poor confused lightweights
gambling it all on a dazzling misunderstanding.

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The stakes are not high, they are absolute.

Say it like you understand it, boy. Say it like Jesus' life meant something beyond a "get out of
hell free" card with no pricetag. If that's all there is to Christianity, almost everybody else who
believes is wrong and you two are right. What are the odds...?

Pastorio

MD/PhD said:

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NOW you're getting warmer, Dr. Chung. That word "believe" is creeping in to your posts. You did
not say "know" - you said "believe."

Bravo, Dr. Chung.

There is hope for you.

Hope for me to renounce (or betray) Christ?

...............

No, you [censored].

Hope that you might respect the rights of people to pray their own way
- just like I respect your right to pray your way.

No go read my post about your hospital privileges in the Gandhi thread.

smn

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Stephen Nagler said:

MD/PhD said:

However, I do believe He will defend me when I am judged by God.

..................

NOW you're getting warmer, Dr. Chung. That word "believe" is creeping in to your posts. You did
not say "know" - you said "believe."

Bravo, Dr. Chung.

There is hope for you.

Hope for me to renounce (or betray) Christ?

Hope for Chung to see that there's a difference between faith and knowledge.

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Why would you hope that (unless you were possessed by Satan) ?

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It sounds like you have been praying to Satan.

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May you choose to follow Christ instead of Satan.

I thought that Satan was lying down somewhere in defeat. Well it's just hard to keep up with things
these days. Wasn't mentioned on CNN. Must be Chung's Jesus Hotline in action.

Pastorio

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Hope for me to renounce (or betray) Christ?

...............

Stephen Nagler said:

No, you [censored].

Why do you feel the need to be so openly hostile?

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SunNoM_un said:

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Hope for me to renounce (or betray) Christ?

...............

Stephen Nagler said:

No, you [censored].

Why do you feel the need to be so openly hostile?

Sweets for the sweet.

Pastorio

Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I noticed the

'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, the 'Follow Me to
Sunday School' bumper sticker, and the chrome plated Christian fish emblem on the trunk.<<<<<<<<<<

She is still a sinner, love your neighbour and forgive her as her brothers and sisters will. As not
many people would be following her in her ways, then fortunately not too many people will be exposed
to the 'non-Christian' teacher who is failing her at the moment.

A man looked for her faults and uncovered a need for forgiveness.

If you seek perfection Bob look to Jesus alone.

Carol T