Christmas Wish List?

Peewiglet said:

What are other people yearning for?

Lenses. I've got pretty much all the walking gear I need now. Except
perhaps some new waterproofs.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Paul Saunders said:

Peewiglet said:

What are other people yearning for?

Lenses. I've got pretty much all the walking gear I need now. Except
perhaps some new waterproofs.

I think your lens addiction may be deeper than my walking/camping gear
addiction 🙂

Best wishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
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Peewiglet said:

I think your lens addiction may be deeper than my walking/camping gear
addiction 🙂

I think you may be on to something there!

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

What are other people yearning for?

A tough light weight breathable waterproof jacket that packs down small,
reason for wanting this is I use my old Trespass one for every thing from
popping in a day sack to more serious outings, It acts as an extra wind
block over my fleece, obviously a waterproof; I sit on it while taking a
break and if I folded it right as extra padding in my backpack (no wonder
its started leaking a bit). I cant find the same jacket any where to replace
it every thing I have looked at seems to be thicker and heavier. Santer's
coming and the family are sick of asking which jacket I want?

MP

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Santa's coming and the family are sick of asking which jacket I want?

Club together for a Goretex paklite shell?

Cheers

Blippie
--
Ten minutes of this rain will do more good in half an hour than a fortnight
of ordinary rain in a month.

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Here's my top 5. There's no way I'll be getting much of this from the
family, but it's therapeutic just to write it down :-)

snip wishlist

Good try but I don't think you will get anyone on here to help you out. :-)

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What are other people yearning for?

A new car.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 97 summits
New - 69 (Marilyns 14, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 57)
Repeats - 28 (Marilyns 11, Sweats 21, Wainwrights 16, Outlying Fells 1)

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:10:06 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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What are other people yearning for?

A new car.

Hey, I can be flexible! Strike off the Tilley Hat and add a new car in
its place :-)

Best wishes,
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(**)PeeWiglet~~
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Here's my top 5. There's no way I'll be getting much of this from the
family, but it's therapeutic just to write it down :-)

Osprey Luna rucksack
Anquet GB North
Merino wool baselayer (260g)
Tilley hat
MSR titanium mug
DNT membership

Beal Iceline ropes (double, 60m)
Selection of winter pro (screws, pitons etc)
Warm fleece lined pants (that's trousers to you southern people ;o)
Decent mitts, my gloves are [censored].
Winter ice climbing course in Scotland (I'm actually getting this, sadly,
it's present to myself ;o( BTW any suggestions as to which course are
welcome)

Nathan

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A tough light weight breathable waterproof jacket that packs down small,

Funny you should say that : Gearzone are selling the Berghaus Paclite
smock for £85 with a penny back atm. <http://www.gear-zone.co.uk/>
refers, if you're interested.

--
Boo

In message <[email hidden]>, Peewiglet
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Here's my top 5. There's no way I'll be getting much of this from the
family, but it's therapeutic just to write it down :-)

Osprey Luna rucksack
Anquet GB North
Merino wool baselayer (260g)
Tilley hat
MSR titanium mug
DNT membership

Scuse ignorance, but what is DNT?
--
Michael Farthing
Aardvark Ltd

Michael Farthing said:

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DNT membership

Scuse ignorance, but what is DNT?

I only know because Peter Clinch explained it last week. It's the
Norewegian Mountian Touring Association, and it, "...[operates] the
network of cabins so hikers can safely enjoy the wonderful scenery
while staying cheaply at mountain cabins all over the country."

See http://www2.turistforeningen.no/codeland/info_pres_main.asp?ID=10

Best wishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
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Quoted message said:

Here's my top 5. There's no way I'll be getting much of this from the
family, but it's therapeutic just to write it down :-)

Osprey Luna rucksack
Anquet GB North
Merino wool baselayer (260g)
Tilley hat
MSR titanium mug
DNT membership

Martin Richardson recently referred to the drift towards uk.rec.shopping. Of
the items listed above, only DNT membership does not fall into the shopping
category (and let me give credit to Peter Clinch for pointing out that this
might be a good way of spending money).

Almost all mountain activities are now tainted by status and fashion.
Commercial interests are trying to convince us that we need all sorts of
fancy things And we are becoming shopping addicts. Hill-walking and
mountaineering used to be accomplished wearing old clothes---how times have
changed.

I conclude that fell-running is about the last refuge for those who want to
escape consumerism. It costs about £55 for a pair of shoes. Pretty well
everything else is impedimenta. Minimalism is everything---there are no
status symbols.

--
Alan Law

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:35:37 -0000, "Alan Law"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Osprey Luna rucksack
Anquet GB North
Merino wool baselayer (260g)
Tilley hat
MSR titanium mug
DNT membership

Quoted message said:

Martin Richardson recently referred to the drift towards uk.rec.shopping. Of
the items listed above, only DNT membership does not fall into the shopping
category (and let me give credit to Peter Clinch for pointing out that this
might be a good way of spending money).

Shopping item? We wear and carry 'shopping items' into the hills with
us each time we go out. Everything is a 'shopping item' unless we're
able to make it ourselves, so I'm not entirely sure what you mean by
the term.

The tone of your posting suggests to me that you mean 'frivolous
item', but there's nothing frivolous about choosing a rucksack for a
14 day trip, or a mapping product to help plan a safe, 200 mile route
across unfamiliar country. Nor is it frivolous to want to wear an
efficient base layer in order to stay warm and as dry as possible when
winter backpacking in all conditions. Am I missing something there?

Tilley hats and MSR titanium mugs aren't in the same sort of category,
although it does seem from recent postings that a surprising number of
people here have forked out quite a lot of cash for a Tilley and
consider it one of the best things they've ever bought. Then again,
it's almost Christmas, and at Christmas many of us hope that our
families might get us something which relates to our hobbies, rather
than something we're never going to use.

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Almost all mountain activities are now tainted by status and fashion.

Yours, maybe, but my choices of walking and camping kit are tainted by
neither. I'm still happily using no-name items of dubious and
sometimes embarrassing appearance that I've been using for years
because they work for me, but at the same time I'm not embarrassed to
say that there's an expensive, 'big name' piece of kit on my wish list
if it's something I feel will do the job for me. That sort of 'chippy'
thinking is very debilitating, imo, and an ill-humoured waste of time
and energy.

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Commercial interests are trying to convince us that we need all sorts of
fancy things

Well I won't disagree with that, but in the context of the thread I'm
not sure how it's relevant.

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And we are becoming shopping addicts. Hill-walking and
mountaineering used to be accomplished wearing old clothes---how times have
changed.

You feel there's some sort of special virtue in walking in old
clothes? I tend to judge walking clothes on their merits, and wear
them if they do the job. It's not a fashion contest in my eyes, and at
the same time I don't see it as an opportunity to drag out my 20 year
old Hellys and poke a bit of fun with my mates at the people who've
only got into it more recently, and have to wear tacky newer clothing.
How about you?

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I conclude that fell-running is about the last refuge for those who want to
escape consumerism.

Why am I not surprised to read that that's where you're coming from? I
do a bit of fell running too. Is that ok? I wasn't born to it like
some people were, but I get off my backside and have a go and I don't
sit and snigger at the people who come in behind me in new clothing.
Again, how about you?

Quoted message said:

It costs about £55 for a pair of shoes. Pretty well
everything else is impedimenta. Minimalism is everything---there are no
status symbols.

Well, great! That's nice.

Tell me again how it was relevant?

Best wishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
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Alan Law said:

I conclude that fell-running is about the last refuge for those who want to
escape consumerism. It costs about £55 for a pair of shoes. Pretty well
everything else is impedimenta. Minimalism is everything---there are no
status symbols.

So you'll go out in any old shoes, or will you choose something marketed
at you in fell running circles and sold as competing commercial
products? Do you appreciate having a choice between Innov8s,
Felldancers, Walshes (the new Extremes and older PBs) and a variety of
orienteers shoes, or would you be happy to just head off in an old pair
of plimsolls?

Just because you're only looking at shoes rather than a tent and a pack
and a jacket and a stove etc. too doesn't make you immune to or above
the things you've just had a moan about. If you don't want the choices
offered nobody is forcing you to take them, or take any notice of people
that think they matter.

Me, I like my Toys and I like them for their usefulness and to some
degree for just being Good Toys. Including my Walshes, as it happens...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> writes

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Do you appreciate having a choice between Innov8s, Felldancers, Walshes
(the new Extremes and older PBs) and a variety of orienteers shoes,

And the new Mountain Bear shoes

http://www.runningbear.co.uk/FellShoes.htm

I recently bought some Gladiators at their shop and I'm most impressed
by the shoes and the staff.

--

Dominic Sexton
http://www.dscs.demon.co.uk/

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:37:30 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Michael Farthing said:

Quoted message said:

DNT membership

Scuse ignorance, but what is DNT?

I only know because Peter Clinch explained it last week. It's the
Norewegian Mountian Touring Association, and it, "...[operates] the
network of cabins so hikers can safely enjoy the wonderful scenery
while staying cheaply at mountain cabins all over the country."

To say nothing about them being incredibly luxurious and in drop dead
gorgeous locations..Best holiday deal anywhere...

--
Richard Webb
http://www.sub3000.com

Snow - lots of it

--
Richard Webb
http://www.sub3000.com

Following up to Peewiglet

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What are other people yearning for?

a full frame digital body compatible with pentax lenses, maybe a
light meter? Walking gear? A wide fitting pair of winter boots
that are light but take crampons.
and some cold weather in January.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

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Alan Law said:

Martin Richardson recently referred to the drift towards uk.rec.shopping.
Of the items listed [....] only DNT membership does not fall into the
shopping category [....].

Shopping item? We wear and carry 'shopping items' into the hills with
us each time we go out. Everything is a 'shopping item' unless we're
able to make it ourselves, so I'm not entirely sure what you mean by
the term.

The tone of your posting suggests to me that you mean 'frivolous
item', but there's nothing frivolous about choosing a rucksack [....]
or a mapping product [....].Nor is it frivolous to want to wear an
efficient base layer [....]. Am I missing something there?

I referred to Martin Richardson's earlier comment. What he said is "[...] I
was becoming a bit disillusioned about the way the group was turning more
into uk.rec.shopping than uk.rec.walking." I assume that what he meant was
that people were tending to focus on purchasing clothing and kit, rather
than on their activities and experiences in the mountains and outdoors.

--
Alan Law