Chris Carmichael-Phil Jackson comparison

"Ronde Champ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey,

Chris Carmichael coaches Lance Armstrong. Phil Jackson
coached Michael Jordan. Lance will win 6 titles. Michael
won 6 titles. People call Chris a genius Sports Science
guru. People call Phil a genius Zen guru. Without Lance
and Michael, Chris and Phil are a bike shop manager and
high school basketball coach.....at best.

Thanks, Ronde Champ (w/teeth)

I think you're mixing apples and oranges. You're also
counting chickens before they hatch.

I don't think Carmichael holds a candle to Jackson. Jackson
brought out the best in Jordan, but also built a team, an
offense and a defense (the likes of which the NBA hadn't
seen before [with plenty of help from Tex ... Winter?])
that enabled Jordan and the Jordanaires to dominate the NBA
and blow away formidable opponents. I think Carmichael does
a good job of doing research and synthesizing it and making
up programs that work for Lance. But he has no
organizational or administrative responsibility for the
team or its performance. He just has to make sure Lance is
ready. Period.

Now, if you want to compare Jackson and Bruyneel, lets talk
in a couple of weeks.

Bob C.

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"Ronde Champ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey,

Chris Carmichael coaches Lance Armstrong. Phil Jackson
coached Michael Jordan. Lance will win 6 titles.
Michael won 6 titles. People call Chris a genius Sports
Science guru. People call Phil a genius Zen guru.
Without Lance and Michael, Chris and Phil are a bike
shop manager and high school basketball coach.....at
best.

Thanks, Ronde Champ (w/teeth)

I think you're mixing apples and oranges. You're also
counting chickens before they hatch.

I don't think Carmichael holds a candle to Jackson.
Jackson brought out

the

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best in Jordan, but also built a team, an offense and a
defense (the likes of which the NBA hadn't seen before
[with plenty of help from Tex ... Winter?]) that enabled
Jordan and the Jordanaires to dominate the NBA and blow
away formidable opponents. I think Carmichael does a
good job of

doing

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research

What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply knows
how to read?

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and synthesizing it and making up programs that work for
Lance. But he has no organizational or administrative
responsibility for the team or its performance. He just
has to make sure Lance is ready. Period.

Now, if you want to compare Jackson and Bruyneel, lets
talk in a couple of weeks.

Andy Coggan

Andy Coggan said:

What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply knows
how to read?

It's pretty narrow minded (especially for a scientist) to
think that research is only comprised of benchwork.

"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Andy Coggan said:

What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply
knows how to read?

It's pretty narrow minded (especially for a scientist) to
think that research is only comprised of benchwork.

Of course there are many types of research, including
reading things on the internet - but I wanted to know what
sort of research the o.p. thought Carmichael performed.

Andy Coggan

"Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Ronde Champ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey,

Chris Carmichael coaches Lance Armstrong. Phil
Jackson coached Michael Jordan. Lance will win 6
titles. Michael won 6 titles. People call Chris a
genius Sports Science guru. People call Phil a genius
Zen guru. Without Lance and Michael, Chris and Phil
are a bike shop manager and high school basketball
coach.....at best.

Thanks, Ronde Champ (w/teeth)

I think you're mixing apples and oranges. You're also
counting chickens before they hatch.

I don't think Carmichael holds a candle to Jackson.
Jackson brought out

the

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best in Jordan, but also built a team, an offense and a
defense (the

likes

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of which the NBA hadn't seen before [with plenty of help
from Tex ... Winter?]) that enabled Jordan and the
Jordanaires to dominate the NBA

and

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blow away formidable opponents. I think Carmichael does
a good job of

doing

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research

What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply knows
how to read?

Exactly

psycholist said:

I think Carmichael does a good job of doing research and
synthesizing it and making up programs that work for
Lance. But he has no organizational or administrative
responsibility for the team or its performance. He just
has to make sure Lance is ready. Period.

Since when is Carmichael LANCE's coach?

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

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"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2kutseF6m33bU1@uni-
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Andy Coggan said:

What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply
knows how to read?

It's pretty narrow minded (especially for a scientist)
to think that research is only comprised of benchwork.

Of course there are many types of research, including
reading things on the internet - but I wanted to know what
sort of research the o.p. thought Carmichael performed.

Presumably he can read the data that Lance and the Doc are
sharing with him. Is this coaching, research, or ...?

-WG

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In article
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Andy Coggan said:

"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2kutseF6m33bU1@uni-
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Andy Coggan wrote:
>
> What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply
> knows how to read?
>
It's pretty narrow minded (especially for a scientist)
to think that research is only comprised of benchwork.

Of course there are many types of research, including
reading things on

the

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internet - but I wanted to know what sort of research
the o.p. thought Carmichael performed.

Presumably he can read the data that Lance and the Doc are
sharing with him. Is this coaching, research, or ...?

It's clearly coaching, since research is shared endeavor.

Andy Coggan