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  1. Hello,

    My husband and I (mid-40's)are looking for good entry level mountain
    bikes. We will be mostly riding park trails:single tracks, packed,
    paved, sandy conditions, etc. We are both new at mountain biking, but
    I believe I would be a little more agressive than my husband. We have
    been looking at Trek 4500, Specialized Rockhopper, GF Marlin, and Kona
    Fire Mountain. My husband is leaning toward the Marlin or Fire
    Mountain-he likes how they feel.

    It seems (I think)that most of these are about the same and that we
    pretty much have to find the one that feels the best for us, but I was
    wondering if any one of these have better components or frames over
    the other that we have been looking at. I noticed that all of them
    have lifetime warranties on frames except for the Kona, which are five
    years. At our level, will this make much of a difference?

    I had also tried a Womens Rockhopper, but felt I was going over the
    handlebars. Perhaps it was adjusted wrong, but the LBS insisted on a
    womans style for me, would not let me test the regular. He stated most
    women are short-waisted and weigh less so this would be what I would
    use. (BTW-I am 5'6", 175 lbs, and don't consider myself to be
    short-waisted.)

    Any suggestions would be appreciated,
    Thank you
    vjump1

  2. vjump1 said:

    Hello,
    My husband and I (mid-40's)are looking for good entry level mountain
    bikes. We will be mostly riding park trails:single tracks, packed,
    paved, sandy conditions, etc. We are both new at mountain biking, but
    I believe I would be a little more agressive than my husband.

    you go, grrl!

    We have

    Quoted message said:

    been looking at Trek 4500, Specialized Rockhopper, GF Marlin, and Kona
    Fire Mountain. My husband is leaning toward the Marlin or Fire
    Mountain-he likes how they feel. It seems (I think)that most of these are


    about the same and that we

    Quoted message said:

    pretty much have to find the one that feels the best for us, but I was
    wondering if any one of these have better components or frames over
    the other that we have been looking at.

    I'm not familiar with those bikes in particular, perhaps one of the gang can
    chime in....

    Quoted message said:

    I noticed that all of them

    Quoted message said:

    have lifetime warranties on frames except for the Kona, which are five
    years. At our level, will this make much of a difference?

    not for you guys unless you are in the clydesdale size range and plan on
    riding them hard.
    here's an interesting little FAQ that may be useful
    http://bbauer.gomen.org/newbike/

    Quoted message said:


    I had also tried a Womens Rockhopper, but felt I was going over the
    handlebars. Perhaps it was adjusted wrong, but the LBS insisted on a
    womans style for me, would not let me test the regular. He stated most
    women are short-waisted and weigh less so this would be what I would
    use. (BTW-I am 5'6", 175 lbs, and don't consider myself to be
    short-waisted.)


    AHA! You escaped the dreaded " you are female therefore you NEED Women's
    Specific Design..." aka, the old "we know what's best for you, little lady"
    treatment. I'd advise a different bike shop. If you think they are being
    condescending now.. just wait. Curious? You can use the google archives for
    the last discussion here on "WSD"... most of us think it's a joke but you
    should decide for yourself.

    Quoted message said:

    Any suggestions would be appreciated,

    Find a different LBS ( local bike shop) and try a lot of different bikes.
    You can try what feels good, great,and uncomfortable. You should feel
    comfortable with the folks that work there, like they are looking out for
    you not trying to sell you what they think you need.

    check my site, I have more info on WSD there.

    Penny

    --
    me and my bike:
    www.specialtyoutdoors.com/penny/biking/biking.asp

  3. "vjump1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > I had also tried a Womens
    Rockhopper, but felt I was going over the

    Quoted message said:

    handlebars. Perhaps it was adjusted wrong, but the LBS insisted on a
    womans style for me, would not let me test the regular.

    Sounds like you were dealing with an idiot. Just like anything in life bike
    sizes are an attempt at meeting the needs of a range of people.

    Test what you want and trust what feels good for you.

    Lifetime warrantee's don't really mean anything. The Kona is a good frame
    especially in your price range.

  4. vjump1 said:


    but felt I was going over the
    handlebars. Perhaps it was adjusted wrong, but the LBS insisted on a
    womans style for me, would not let me test the regular. I would
    use. (BTW-I am 5'6", 175 lbs, and don't consider myself to be
    short-waisted.)
    vjump1


    your dealer is a moron.
    What they reccomend for you and what is right for you isn't always the same. I think you should at least test the regular before buying, to make sure you are getting the best ride.

  5. Quoted message said:

    I had also tried a Womens Rockhopper, but felt I was going over the
    handlebars. Perhaps it was adjusted wrong, but the LBS insisted on a
    womans style for me, would not let me test the regular.

    My wife and I have been riding for about 15 years. Many styles and brands. I
    think everyone is different and needs to try'um before you buy'um. In my
    wife's case, she just started riding the women's specific Specialized Epic.
    Our local dealer doesn't stock them and tried to talk her out of it. We ordered
    it anyway and she thinks it's the best fit and ride she's had.
    To each his (her) own. I'm still riding a ten your old Klein Fervor.....but
    fixing to take another plung....
    Good luck

  6. SndSysLtd said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had also tried a Womens Rockhopper, but felt I was going over the
    handlebars. Perhaps it was adjusted wrong, but the LBS insisted on a
    womans style for me, would not let me test the regular.

    My wife and I have been riding for about 15 years. Many styles and
    brands. I think everyone is different and needs to try'um before you
    buy'um. In my wife's case, she just started riding the women's
    specific Specialized Epic. Our local dealer doesn't stock them and
    tried to talk her out of it. We ordered it anyway and she thinks it's
    the best fit and ride she's had. To each his (her) own. I'm still
    riding a ten your old Klein Fervor.....but fixing to take another
    plung.... Good luck

    The thing that needs to be understood about WSD is that it is for a very
    specific body type and set of porportions: short torso long legs. If that's
    what gives you a great fit, fine, but it's not for everyone.

    Penny

  7. [email hidden] (vjump1) wrote in news:97e71960.0410032001.554b1c68
    @posting.google.com:

    Quoted message said:

    My husband and I (mid-40's)are looking for good entry level mountain
    bikes. We will be mostly riding park trails:single tracks, packed,
    paved, sandy conditions, etc. We are both new at mountain biking, but
    I believe I would be a little more agressive than my husband. We have
    been looking at Trek 4500, Specialized Rockhopper, GF Marlin, and Kona
    Fire Mountain. My husband is leaning toward the Marlin or Fire
    Mountain-he likes how they feel.

    FWIW I don't think you really need the sorts of mountain bikes you list
    for the kind of trails you describe. Unless money is no object what-so-
    ever, I'd recommend you start out with some sort of basic used bike. I'm
    thinking no shocks, old style shifters, maybe even old style brakes.
    Noodle around on those for a while. Get them adjusted as well as you can.
    Learn a thing or two about maintaining them. Learn about fit in general.
    Then you can ditch them and buy new a lot more confident about what is or
    is not right for you.

    Just my two-cents worth, of course. But I'm on my third adult bike now
    and I've learned enough to re-think how all my bikes "fit". I don't see
    any reason to pay 500 for that education when you can get it for 50.

    --
    - Joel C.

    "I once asked my wife to pose as a writer's model. I thought it terribly
    unfair that artists had models and not writers. So she took off her
    clothes and posed in the corner while I wrote. (I didn't get a lot
    written....)" - Eric Idle

  8. Quoted message said:

    I don't see
    any reason to pay 500 for that education when you can get it for 50.

    Oh, Really??

  9. [email hidden] (SndSysLtd) wrote in news:20041004162818.08741.00001470
    @mb-m13.aol.com:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't see
    any reason to pay 500 for that education when you can get it for 50.

    Oh, Really??

    To each his own.

    But my sense of a bike's feel developed over a series of bikes. Had I
    owned only one of them, I couldn't have told you how close it came to the
    perfect fit. (As was the case with my first bike.) I think, if a person
    gets their first bike cheaply they'll be able to upgrade more rapidly,
    and learn what they really want a lot more quickly then if they were
    stuck trying to "get the good" out of an expensive purchase. Of course,
    you could (by skill I don't posses, or luck) get the perfect geometry on
    your first try, but I don't think that's any less likely with a used
    bike, so I don't consider "buy used" to be risky advice.

    --
    - Joel C.

  10. Quoted message said:

    so I don't consider "buy used" to be risky advice.

    The buy used part isn't what I was talking about. I bought two used bikes from
    buddies that got tired of them and still have them both. But they weren't 50
    bucks.
    I think you should ride what you can afford whether you're just starting out or
    been at it a long time. If they've got the bucks to buy something nice, then
    they should. Later on they can step up again. I just think it would be a
    waste of riding time to start out on a beater bike. Might even discourage
    someone from wanting to get into it. But you're right, to each his own.....

  11. [email hidden] (SndSysLtd) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so I don't consider "buy used" to be risky advice.

    The buy used part isn't what I was talking about. I bought two used
    bikes from buddies that got tired of them and still have them both.
    But they weren't 50 bucks.

    Good thing I didn't type the long version of my experiences then. ;-)

    50 was just a wild guess. One of my bikes is used and it cost $800 (that
    model is over 2K list). OTOH there are bikes on e-bay for $1. I suppose
    the average is 400, but - eh - like a say it was a wild guess.

    Quoted message said:

    I think you should ride what you can afford whether you're just
    starting out or been at it a long time. If they've got the bucks to
    buy something nice, then they should. Later on they can step up
    again. I just think it would be a waste of riding time to start out
    on a beater bike. Might even discourage someone from wanting to get
    into it.

    Yeah, it's a possibility. But people go out and lay down serious cash
    and still get discouraged. I think the sport has just got to grab you on
    a certain level, and then you buy the good equipment and sort of fall in
    love with it again.

    Again that's just what happened to me.

    Quoted message said:

    But you're right, to each his own.....

    Aye

    --
    - Joel C.

  12. vjump1 said:

    Hello,

    My husband and I (mid-40's)are looking for good entry level mountain
    bikes. We will be mostly riding park trails:single tracks, packed,
    paved, sandy conditions, etc. We are both new at mountain biking, but
    I believe I would be a little more agressive than my husband. We have
    been looking at Trek 4500, Specialized Rockhopper, GF Marlin, and Kona
    Fire Mountain. My husband is leaning toward the Marlin or Fire
    Mountain-he likes how they feel.

    It seems (I think)that most of these are about the same and that we
    pretty much have to find the one that feels the best for us, but I was
    wondering if any one of these have better components or frames over
    the other that we have been looking at. I noticed that all of them
    have lifetime warranties on frames except for the Kona, which are five
    years. At our level, will this make much of a difference?

    I had also tried a Womens Rockhopper, but felt I was going over the
    handlebars. Perhaps it was adjusted wrong, but the LBS insisted on a
    womans style for me, would not let me test the regular. He stated most
    women are short-waisted and weigh less so this would be what I would
    use. (BTW-I am 5'6", 175 lbs, and don't consider myself to be
    short-waisted.)

    Any suggestions would be appreciated,
    Thank you
    vjump1

    I just went through this a few weeks ago myself. I searched and
    researched, and was also looking at a Rockhopper, Stumpjumper, and a few
    Cannondale rides. After looking through all the paperwork and getting
    suggestions like these, what it all came down to was demo riding the bikes
    at the dealer. After demo riding, there really was no comparison for me.
    To each his/her own, but the Cannondale just 'fit' me right.

    As your dealer for a demo ride(s) on several bikes and then trust your own
    instincts. From what I can tell, for your purposes any will be made well
    enough. If one should fail, you'd likely have ridden it enough to be
    quite savvy at that point and would know what you want when you upgrade.

  13. "vjump1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello,

    My husband and I (mid-40's)are looking for good entry level mountain
    bikes. We will be mostly riding park trails:single tracks, packed,
    paved, sandy conditions, etc. We are both new at mountain biking, but
    I believe I would be a little more agressive than my husband. We have
    been looking at Trek 4500, Specialized Rockhopper, GF Marlin, and Kona
    Fire Mountain. My husband is leaning toward the Marlin or Fire
    Mountain-he likes how they feel.

    I have a 2000 Kona FireMountain, and it's been awesome. I mainly ride
    aggressive cross country trails, and it handles it superbly. The main
    weakness was the fork, but the new FireMountains have much better forks.
    I've have even used it to 4ft and bigger drops on pavement, and done urban
    style riding with it (stairs, walls etc), and the bike handled it fine.
    It's not a heavy bike either. For the uses you describe, it would make a
    great choice. You also want to consider that the more you ride, you may
    find yourself trying more aggressive and adventurous riding than you do now.
    But the good news is that the FireMountain gives you lots of room to grow
    into more aggressive riding if you want to.

  14. [email hidden] (vjump1) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello,

    My husband and I (mid-40's)are looking for good entry level mountain
    bikes. We will be mostly riding park trails:single tracks, packed,
    paved, sandy conditions, etc. We are both new at mountain biking, but
    I believe I would be a little more agressive than my husband. We have
    been looking at Trek 4500, Specialized Rockhopper, GF Marlin, and Kona
    Fire Mountain. My husband is leaning toward the Marlin or Fire
    Mountain-he likes how they feel.


    <snip>

    Any suggestions would be appreciated,

    Quoted message said:

    Thank you
    vjump1

    I've just completed a similar quest (also well into my mid 40s). I
    rode a lot of bikes before settling on a Trek 4300. I found the Treks
    and GFs to be very similar in feel. I liked the light and lively feel
    of both bikes. Money was an issue or I may have purchased the 4500 or
    the Marlin. I didn't like the Rockhopper's. They felt heavy and
    uninspired while riding. "Ho-hum". The Treks and GFs were "Woo-Hoo". I
    tried a Kona smoke (more of an urban Mt bike). It was just plain heavy
    and sluggish feeling to me. I also rode competing models by Giant,
    Marin, and Raleigh, they were fine, but just didn't have that Trek
    "feel".

    Also, test the brakes thoroughly. I tried 4 bikes with mechanical
    actuated disc brakes. Three of the 4 sucked. The disc on a GF model
    was OK. I could barely lock up the rear wheel and forget about doing
    any endos over the handlebars with the front brakes. I asked one LBS
    if maybe the discs were not broke in, he said they should be fine.
    Another LBS tried adjusting over and over again and the brakes were
    still mushy and feeble. I imagine that high end discs are superb, but
    cheap components are just that. Like that shock on my $300 Trek 4300.
    It is fine for me, but they are not going to put a $200 performance
    shock on this bike. For my needs I decided that a low end disc brake
    setup was a poor option. A top of the line V brake will be cheaper and
    likely perform better than entry level disc (my limited experience
    anyway. I prefer the simplicity of a V brake and the reduced weight of
    the V on the front wheel seems to make it a bit more nimble
    (especially when pulling up the front wheel to hop a curb).

    Regarding quality, the models you listed are all fine bikes. I would
    definitely do some extended test rides and chose the one that feels
    best. The one that makes you feel like a kid again. The one that just
    begs to be ridden. Only you know which model that is.

    Also, expect to upgrade a few components regardless of which bike you
    choose. Bikes are cobbled together to meet a price point and the needs
    of some average bike rider (who ever that may be). After you own a
    bike for a while you may find that saddle just doesn't feel right.
    Maybe you could use a slightly different rise to the handle bars or
    stem. Maybe the shifters just don't feel right after extended use.
    Pick the bike that feels the best, then fine tune to your meet your
    individual needs.

    Also budget in some $$$ for accessories. Helmets, gloves, locks, new
    saddle, racks, bags, tool kits, patch kits, water bottles and holder,
    maintenance manuals, who knows maybe some bike clothing (if you are
    into that). You get the picture. I dropped about $200 after the bike
    sale just on needed accessories.

    Have fun and post back when you have made your decision.

    Tracy

  15. Pizza Man said:

    Also, expect to upgrade a few components regardless of which bike you
    choose. Bikes are cobbled together to meet a price point and the needs
    of some average bike rider (who ever that may be). After you own a
    bike for a while you may find that saddle just doesn't feel right.
    Maybe you could use a slightly different rise to the handle bars or
    stem. Maybe the shifters just don't feel right after extended use.
    Pick the bike that feels the best, then fine tune to your meet your
    individual needs.

    Also budget in some $$$ for accessories. Helmets, gloves, locks, new
    saddle, racks, bags, tool kits, patch kits, water bottles and holder,
    maintenance manuals, who knows maybe some bike clothing (if you are
    into that). You get the picture. I dropped about $200 after the bike
    sale just on needed accessories.

    Have fun and post back when you have made your decision.

    Tracy

    really good post P-man, I agree with just about all of it.

    and oh....if shopping for a mountain bike never let the seat influence
    the bike you buy. sure, components, frame, fork -- all really
    important. but unless you're extremely lucky and the bike you want just
    happens to come with the exact seat that's going to fit your rear, the
    first thing you should do when buying one is change out the seat. you
    can either convince the LBS to do it for you (free), or convince them to
    swap in a better one for a few bucks more. or if you decide to
    substitute one later you can do so inexpensively. it's the same rule of
    thumb for pedals and whatnot...

    bri

    --

    * enjoying the karma *
    remove LKJSDFJSD from address to email

  16. I want to thank everyone for their posts and suggestions.

    We ended up purchasing Kona Fire Mountains after riding different
    styles and going back and trying again.

    The dealer changed my stem to a longer one that felt a lot better than
    what was previously on it. He agreed that with the 16" my knees looked
    a bit too close to the bars. He will work with us on any problems and
    even teach us how to do any maintenance work. They also have group
    rides for various levels of riders.

    I have to say, after taking the bike out the next day for our first
    ride, I couldn't believe how out of shape we were! And that was on a
    paved road!!
    But, with continued use, I hope to be able to stay with the group
    without dying.

    BTW, we found out that the dealer who insisted that I buy WSD is known
    for that. Also, you buy what he says or forget it. Needless to say,
    we didn't go back.

    Thanks again,
    vjump1

  17. I'm sure you won't regret your decision. I have a 2000 Kona FireMountain,
    and it's been awesome. I mainly ride aggressive cross country trails, and
    it handles it superbly. The main weakness was the fork, but the new Fire
    Mountains have much better forks (MZ Comp 100mm), and I think these will
    handle more than you will need on cross country. I've have even used my
    Fire Mountain for 4ft and bigger drops on pavement (with an inferior fork),
    and also done urban style riding with it (stairs, walls etc), and the bike
    handled it fine. It's not a heavy bike either. For the uses you describe,
    it's great choice. You also want to consider that the more you ride, you
    may find yourself trying more aggressive and adventurous riding than you do
    now. But the good news is that the Fire Mountain gives you lots of room to
    grow into more aggressive riding if you want to. Enjoy your new bikes!

    "vjump1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I want to thank everyone for their posts and suggestions.

    We ended up purchasing Kona Fire Mountains after riding different
    styles and going back and trying again.

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