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  1. I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point and I have a few
    probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR pro with 105 mm of
    travel. My question is this, I read somewhere that an 80mm fork has to be
    replaced with an 80mm.... What do I measure on the current fork to know the
    mm's it is? Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his M2 Comp, that he
    went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking at that kind of
    fork? Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the years, I
    haven't really considered looking at anything else but a Bomber.. should I?
    I"m certainly underwhelmed by constant seepage out of the SID,even after a
    full rebuild by the RS techs at NORBA last year.

    thanks

    penny

  2. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point and I have a few
    probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR pro with 105 mm


    of

    Quoted message said:

    travel. My question is this, I read somewhere that an 80mm fork has to be
    replaced with an 80mm.... What do I measure on the current fork to know


    the

    Quoted message said:

    mm's it is? Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his M2 Comp, that he
    went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking at that kind of
    fork? Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the years, I
    haven't really considered looking at anything else but a Bomber.. should


    I?

    Quoted message said:

    I"m certainly underwhelmed by constant seepage out of the SID,even after a
    full rebuild by the RS techs at NORBA last year.


    Fox F80RLT. It's light, and stiff (laterally).

    Another possible choice, would be the Fox Float100RLC. It's a little
    heavier, but you can give a 100mm fork a try. If you decide you don't like
    100mm, it can be set to 80mm. It also cost less than the F80RLT.

    Then there's the Fox Talas series. They can be adjusted from 85mm to 125mm.

    http://www.foxracingshox.com/website/homepage.asp

    The 'Zokes are damn nice forks, though. My only gripe about them, is lack of
    selection for 80mm forks, and they are heavy.

  3. mojo deluxe said:
    Quoted message said:


    Fox F80RLT. It's light, and stiff (laterally).

    Another possible choice, would be the Fox Float100RLC. It's a little
    heavier, but you can give a 100mm fork a try. If you decide you don't
    like 100mm, it can be set to 80mm. It also cost less than the F80RLT.

    Then there's the Fox Talas series. They can be adjusted from 85mm to
    125mm.

    $600??!!! ouch, that's waaaay out of my price range!!!!Yikes!!!

    ps

  4. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    mojo deluxe said:
    Quoted message said:


    Fox F80RLT. It's light, and stiff (laterally).

    Another possible choice, would be the Fox Float100RLC. It's a little
    heavier, but you can give a 100mm fork a try. If you decide you don't
    like 100mm, it can be set to 80mm. It also cost less than the F80RLT.

    Then there's the Fox Talas series. They can be adjusted from 85mm to
    125mm.

    $600??!!! ouch, that's waaaay out of my price range!!!!Yikes!!!


    That's why I don't have one yet, but there is hope.....

    http://www.qbike.com/cgi-bin/bike.cgi?ord=p&st=fox+forx&auct=on&lp=&hp=

    There's a lot of new bike take-offs selling on ebay with short steerers
    going for less. Considering that your frame is small, you should not have
    much of a problem finding one with a steerer long enough. Just make sure you
    know how long your steerer is.

  5. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point and I have a few
    probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR pro with 105 mm


    of

    Quoted message said:

    travel. My question is this, I read somewhere that an 80mm fork has to be
    replaced with an 80mm.... What do I measure on the current fork to know


    the

    Quoted message said:

    mm's it is?

    Put a zip tie around the stanchion, push it down to the bottom against the
    seals and go ride/bounce about/jump off the biggest obstacle you can find.
    Measuring the amount the zip tie has moved should give a rough estimate of
    fork travel.

    Quoted message said:

    Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his M2 Comp, that he
    went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    A difference of 20mm in travel roughly equates to slackening the head angle
    by a degree. Forks with the same travel from different manufacturers will
    vary slightly but this is the general rule of thumb.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking at that kind of
    fork? Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the years, I
    haven't really considered looking at anything else but a Bomber.. should


    I?

    considering value for money, probably not. I'm keen to try one of the magura
    range of forks though, but they are a bit of an unknown quantity.

    Quoted message said:

    thanks
    penny

    Steve.

  6. pas said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point and I have a few
    probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR pro with 105 mm of
    travel. My question is this, I read somewhere that an 80mm fork has to be
    replaced with an 80mm.... What do I measure on the current fork to know the
    mm's it is?

    Google would probably be your easiest option, or you could just ask
    here...

    It's 63-80mm 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his M2 Comp, that he
    went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    It really depends on the geometry of the bike. A 100mm fork will jack up
    the front end, which will tend to give you a more upright (and possibly
    more comfortable) ride. It will make steering a little slower though.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking at that kind of
    fork?

    You'll be going from pretty much the lightest fork on the market to one of
    the heavier XC forks. You'll probably notice the difference, but you
    should get used to it. And the extra stiffness should compensate a little.

    From a weight point of view, you may want to look at one of the 'Zocchi
    air-sprung forks rather than a coil model. But whilst you also lose
    weight, you also lose in suppleness.

    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the years, I
    haven't really considered looking at anything else but a Bomber.. should
    I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on the
    market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot
    else suitable.

    --
    a.m-b FAQ: http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm

    a.bmx FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/bmx_faq.htm

  7. bomba said:
    pas said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point and I have
    a few probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR pro with
    105 mm of travel. My question is this, I read somewhere that an
    80mm fork has to be replaced with an 80mm.... What do I measure on
    the current fork to know the mm's it is?

    Google would probably be your easiest option, or you could just ask
    here...

    It's 63-80mm 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his M2 Comp,
    that he went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    It really depends on the geometry of the bike. A 100mm fork will jack
    up the front end, which will tend to give you a more upright (and
    possibly more comfortable) ride. It will make steering a little
    slower though.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking at that
    kind of fork?

    You'll be going from pretty much the lightest fork on the market to
    one of the heavier XC forks. You'll probably notice the difference,
    but you should get used to it. And the extra stiffness should
    compensate a little.

    From a weight point of view, you may want to look at one of the
    'Zocchi air-sprung forks rather than a coil model. But whilst you
    also lose weight, you also lose in suppleness.

    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the years, I
    haven't really considered looking at anything else but a Bomber..
    should I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on
    the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    there's a lot else suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

  8. bomba said:
    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the years, I
    haven't really considered looking at anything else but a Bomber..
    should I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on
    the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    there's a lot else suitable.

    OK, so let me ask this... Based on everyting I've ever read here, the
    majority opinion seems to the that RS is not a great product... is there a
    good reason to reconsider this and maybe look at a RS?

    clueless,

    Penny

  9. pas said:

    bomba wrote (of Marzocchi forks):

    Quoted message said:


    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on
    the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    there's a lot else suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you (understandably)
    ruled out due to $$$.

    Bill "Marathon SL on closeout" S.

  10. S o r n i said:
    pas said:

    bomba wrote (of Marzocchi forks):

    Quoted message said:


    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on
    the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    there's a lot else suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.

    Bill "Marathon SL on closeout" S.

    it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a local private
    university, which rules out any pricey bike goodies for a while. ;-)

    Penny

  11. pas said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on
    > the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    > there's a lot else suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.

    it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a local private
    university, which rules out any pricey bike goodies for a while. ;-)

    Which is why you've discounted Fox.

    --
    a.m-b FAQ: http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm

    a.bmx FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/bmx_faq.htm

  12. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point and I have a few
    probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR pro with 105 mm of
    travel. My question is this, I read somewhere that an 80mm fork has to be
    replaced with an 80mm.... What do I measure on the current fork to know the
    mm's it is? Does it really matter?

    As others have answered, it's a 63-80mm fork, with travel adjustment.
    I got that from the description in mtbr.com.

    Now, do you run it in 63 or 80mm mode? The cable-tie-around the
    stantion travel measurement will work for you.

    Keeping the travel nearly the same keeps the geometry of the bike the
    same (steering angle and all that.) If you don't mind slower
    steering, then get a longer-travel fork. I have found that most folks
    get used to it, but some are really picky. When I was running my 63mm
    Bomber on my Fango, it was way too twitchy. It was designed to take
    an 80mm fork, and it shows. Shorter stem length also makes a
    difference, and I'm guessing you run a shorter stem, so you could
    probably take an 85mm travel fork.

    Quoted message said:

    I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his M2 Comp, that he
    went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    That's a little less than 4/5 of an inch increase in travel (1 inch =
    25.4mm). Does he notice a handling difference? He's a pretty
    experienced rider, and if he doesn't notice, or it's small enough not
    to care, you might be able to go 100. But you and your bike are
    smaller to start with, so it might have a more exaggerated effect on
    your geometry.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking at that kind of
    fork?

    The SID is light. Really light. And flexy. Really flexy. And not
    too reliable, from what I've heard.

    With a Bomber, you gain weight, but lose flex and reliability issues.
    A coil-n-oil fork (the best kind) will be heavier than an air fork.
    It will also be more plush. It's easier to set an air fork's spring
    rate (more air = higher spring rate) With a coil fork, you have to
    change coils. You would probably like to use the light springs,
    because you don't weigh much.

    OK, here's what I did: I bought a used Z3 Air (2002, IIRC) on eBay.
    Chris Phillipo sold me the guts of his Z3 coil. I put in springs,
    screwed the thing together after using new fork oil (cheap 7.5 weight
    bought at the local motorcycle shop), set the preload and the
    compression damping, and rode it. All told, this fork set me back
    under $200, with new seals, wipers, oil and all the parts. It has
    100mm of travel, and doesn't weigh all that much more than my 80mm Z2
    Flylight Air. As in, not noticeable when riding. The tools required
    are not that expensive (regular metric sockets and a oil seal tool)
    and you, with your capabilities of doing stuff just following drawings
    and a short written description, could do the work forever, and even
    on Mr. Penny's fork.

    I dig doing my own work, however. And getting a bargain on a fork and
    parts is always high on my list.

    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the years, I
    haven't really considered looking at anything else but a Bomber.. should I?
    I"m certainly underwhelmed by constant seepage out of the SID,even after a
    full rebuild by the RS techs at NORBA last year.

    Reliability issues. Ugh.

    There are plenty of places selling coil-n-oil Marzocchi forks, and
    even last year's models on closeout. You have a good LBS who will
    install the star nut, cut the steerer to length and set the fork crown
    headset race.

    I'll bet that if you search on 2003 Marzocchi 80mm/85mm coil, you'll
    find some bargains. Like at Phat Tire, the MX Comp is $250. Sure,
    it's an air fork, but it *is* a Marzocchi. 🙂 Light, stiff and
    cheap. Just like Sorni. LOL.

    My $0.02. And remember, this advice is worth every penny you paid,
    pardon the pun. 🙂
    --
    Jonesy

  13. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    bomba said:
    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the years, I
    haven't really considered looking at anything else but a Bomber..
    should I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on
    the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    there's a lot else suitable.

    OK, so let me ask this... Based on everyting I've ever read here, the
    majority opinion seems to the that RS is not a great product... is there a
    good reason to reconsider this and maybe look at a RS?

    I don't think you are clueless, but Mr. Harris has listed two things
    wheich I have not found to be true, and at least one that you have
    *experienced* not to be true: That RS shocks are durable and "work
    well." The last time I rode a RS fork, it was flexy and operated
    poorly. I know that a new fork needs some time to break in, but the
    travel control was [censored], and I don't know any forks that get less
    flexy over the course of time. You yourself are a victim of an oil
    leak less than a year after a pro factory-guy rebuild. No way in hell
    that should happen to a quality fork.

    They are cheap, that'll I'll agree with. But in this area, I really
    do think you get what you pay for. Easy for me to say - it's not my
    money.
    --
    Jonesy "not entirely true - you've taken some of my money for jobs..."

  14. "S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    pas said:

    bomba wrote (of Marzocchi forks):

    Quoted message said:


    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on
    the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    there's a lot else suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you (understandably)
    ruled out due to $$$.

    Bill "Marathon SL on closeout" S.


    How do you like that fork? How much do you weigh? Also, how is the lateral
    stiffness? I have not ruled one of those out, which is why I ask.

  15. "bomba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    pas said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on
    >> the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    >> there's a lot else suitable.
    >
    >
    > no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.

    it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a local private
    university, which rules out any pricey bike goodies for a while. ;-)

    Which is why you've discounted Fox.


    Understandably, which is why I may still get the Marathon SL.

  16. mojo deluxe said:

    "bomba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    pas said:

    >>> They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks
    >>> on the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    >>> there's a lot else suitable.
    >>
    >>
    >> no not FOX, Rock Shock.
    >
    > He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    > (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.
    >

    it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a local private
    university, which rules out any pricey bike goodies for a while.
    ;-)

    Which is why you've discounted Fox.


    Understandably, which is why I may still get the Marathon SL.

    {sound of moving finger between lips rapidly, designating insanity}

    Bill "needs a program to keep track of all the playas, I tells ya" S.

  17. "S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    mojo deluxe said:

    "bomba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:08:29 -0700, pas wrote:

    >>>> They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks
    >>>> on the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    >>>> there's a lot else suitable.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> no not FOX, Rock Shock.
    >>
    >> He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    >> (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.
    >>
    >
    > it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a local private
    > university, which rules out any pricey bike goodies for a while.
    > ;-)

    Which is why you've discounted Fox.


    Understandably, which is why I may still get the Marathon SL.

    {sound of moving finger between lips rapidly, designating insanity}

    Bill "needs a program to keep track of all the playas, I tells ya" S.


    In the meantime, I have some questions below.

  18. Jonesy said:

    Light, stiff and cheap. Just like Sorni. LOL.

    Sorni's light?

    --
    a.m-b FAQ: http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm

    a.bmx FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/bmx_faq.htm

  19. Jonesy said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the years, I
    > haven't really considered looking at anything else but a Bomber..
    > should I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other forks on
    the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I don't think
    there's a lot else suitable.

    OK, so let me ask this... Based on everyting I've ever read here, the
    majority opinion seems to the that RS is not a great product... is there a
    good reason to reconsider this and maybe look at a RS?

    I don't think you are clueless, but Mr. Harris has listed two things
    wheich I have not found to be true, and at least one that you have
    *experienced* not to be true: That RS shocks are durable and "work
    well."

    Read the question and response again Mr Jones. We were talking about
    Marzocchi Bombers, not Rock Shox.

    --
    a.m-b FAQ: http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm

    a.bmx FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/bmx_faq.htm

  20. mojo deluxe said:

    "S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bill "Marathon SL on closeout" S.


    How do you like that fork? How much do you weigh? Also, how is the
    lateral stiffness? I have not ruled one of those out, which is why I
    ask.

    Sorry, didn't see this before (more server woes -- seems to be a Thursday
    Thing?!?).

    Overall, I like the fork. Wheel isn't the stiffest, so sometimes hard to
    judge fork's, but I think it's definitely more rigid than my previous X-fly
    100.

    Mine's a 2002 model, I think, so the newer closeout models are probably
    better. (I know they're beefier, made more for disc brakes than earlier
    forks were.)

    Bill "get more opinions" S.

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