Cholesterol update.

Bob Mann said:

On 15 Feb 2005 06:53:23 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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Bob Mann said:

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:30:17 -0600, elzinator
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>Added fish oils?
>
Thanks,
I have been taking the cod liver oil but dropped from 2 to 1 tbsn

per

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day. Partly calories and partly not wanting to overdo the Vit A.

as

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you pointed out regrding the toxicity of it.

Once that's gon I'm going to try to find better oils. Salmon,

halibut

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etc. Especially in an Omega blend.

I've been eating a lot of fish lately too. Both Tuna and regular
frozen fillets (sole, cod, pollock, whiting)

The cold water fish have greater omega-3 oils.

I've never paid much attention to which fish come from where.
I'd guess N. Atlantic fish would be more cold water tan Pacific fish.

A general rule of thumb is 'pink-ish' fleshed fish. Although tuna has a
greater amt and favorable ratio of n-3:n-6 FAs than do warm-water white
flesh fish. The n-3 content is a function of what the fish eat and that
food source is more prevalent in cold water than warm water.

Salmon is my favorite pink meat (had grilled Bourbon-marinated salmon
for dinner last night and again for lunch today 🙂

Also FYI, encapsulated fish oils are available now nearly everywhere
that are void of contaminants. They are molecularly distilled which
removes the heavy metals and other contaminants as well as reduces the
fish oil taste/smell. A new plant in Canada has helped to drive down
the price of this product (a friend of mine works there). Prior to
that, the only sources were plants in Norway.

elzinator said:

Also FYI, encapsulated fish oils are available now nearly everywhere
that are void of contaminants. They are molecularly distilled which
removes the heavy metals and other contaminants as well as reduces the
fish oil taste/smell. A new plant in Canada has helped to drive down
the price of this product (a friend of mine works there). Prior to
that, the only sources were plants in Norway.

Which brand is that? Is it cheaper than the Norweigen?

How much fish oil (in terms of mg of EPA and DHA) do you recommend per day?

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob Mann said:

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Just got my results back from the doc and I am back to normal.
> Relatively speaking.
>
> from 8.2 mmol/L to 5.7 mmol/L in 2 moths or so.
>
> The works out to 317 mg/dL to 220 mg/dL
> Not quite where I want it but a whole lot closer.

More important, what was and is your HDL/LDL ratio? A more complete
picture of your CVD risk would be to have C-reactive protein and
Homocysteine checked.

A more complete check will probably be done later.

Most docs either don't know or care about the last two, so you will have
to request them, if not demand them.

I'll keep that in mind.
I have family history of heart disease so at least I have that on my
side.
--
Bob Mann
Help save trees. Wipe your ass with an owl.

On 16 Feb 2005 06:20:36 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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Bob Mann said:

On 15 Feb 2005 06:53:23 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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Bob Mann wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:30:17 -0600, elzinator
> <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

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> >Added fish oils?
> >
> Thanks,
> I have been taking the cod liver oil but dropped from 2 to 1 tbsn

per

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> day. Partly calories and partly not wanting to overdo the Vit A.

as

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> you pointed out regrding the toxicity of it.
>
> Once that's gon I'm going to try to find better oils. Salmon,

halibut

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> etc. Especially in an Omega blend.
>
> I've been eating a lot of fish lately too. Both Tuna and regular
> frozen fillets (sole, cod, pollock, whiting)

The cold water fish have greater omega-3 oils.

I've never paid much attention to which fish come from where.
I'd guess N. Atlantic fish would be more cold water tan Pacific fish.

A general rule of thumb is 'pink-ish' fleshed fish. Although tuna has a
greater amt and favorable ratio of n-3:n-6 FAs than do warm-water white
flesh fish. The n-3 content is a function of what the fish eat and that
food source is more prevalent in cold water than warm water.

Salmon is my favorite pink meat (had grilled Bourbon-marinated salmon
for dinner last night and again for lunch today 🙂

Also FYI, encapsulated fish oils are available now nearly everywhere
that are void of contaminants. They are molecularly distilled which
removes the heavy metals and other contaminants as well as reduces the
fish oil taste/smell. A new plant in Canada has helped to drive down
the price of this product (a friend of mine works there). Prior to
that, the only sources were plants in Norway.

I've added salmon to the list of fish as well.
I was avoiding encapsulated fish oils because they contain so little
oil per cap. To replace a tablespoon a day would take half a bottle.
--
Bob Mann
Help save trees. Wipe your ass with an owl.

Bob Mann said:

On 16 Feb 2005 06:20:36 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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Bob Mann said:

On 15 Feb 2005 06:53:23 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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>The cold water fish have greater omega-3 oils.

I've never paid much attention to which fish come from where.
I'd guess N. Atlantic fish would be more cold water tan Pacific fish.

A general rule of thumb is 'pink-ish' fleshed fish. Although tuna has a
greater amt and favorable ratio of n-3:n-6 FAs than do warm-water white
flesh fish. The n-3 content is a function of what the fish eat and that
food source is more prevalent in cold water than warm water.

Salmon is my favorite pink meat (had grilled Bourbon-marinated salmon
for dinner last night and again for lunch today 🙂

Also FYI, encapsulated fish oils are available now nearly everywhere
that are void of contaminants. They are molecularly distilled which
removes the heavy metals and other contaminants as well as reduces the
fish oil taste/smell. A new plant in Canada has helped to drive down
the price of this product (a friend of mine works there). Prior to
that, the only sources were plants in Norway.

I've added salmon to the list of fish as well.
I was avoiding encapsulated fish oils because they contain so little
oil per cap. To replace a tablespoon a day would take half a bottle.

The concentration depends on the product brand. Some of them are quite
concentrated.

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shumway said:

elzinator said:

Also FYI, encapsulated fish oils are available now nearly everywhere
that are void of contaminants. They are molecularly distilled which
removes the heavy metals and other contaminants as well as reduces the
fish oil taste/smell. A new plant in Canada has helped to drive down
the price of this product (a friend of mine works there). Prior to
that, the only sources were plants in Norway.

Which brand is that? Is it cheaper than the Norweigen?

http://www.ocean-nutrition.com/inside.asp?cmPageID=157
I saw it in Central Market last weekend but didn't note the price.

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How much fish oil (in terms of mg of EPA and DHA) do you recommend per day?

3 g/day fish oil

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elzinator said:

Bob Mann said:

On 16 Feb 2005 06:20:36 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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Bob Mann wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2005 06:53:23 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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> >The cold water fish have greater omega-3 oils.
>
> I've never paid much attention to which fish come from where.
> I'd guess N. Atlantic fish would be more cold water tan Pacific fish.

A general rule of thumb is 'pink-ish' fleshed fish. Although tuna has a
greater amt and favorable ratio of n-3:n-6 FAs than do warm-water white
flesh fish. The n-3 content is a function of what the fish eat and that
food source is more prevalent in cold water than warm water.

Salmon is my favorite pink meat (had grilled Bourbon-marinated salmon
for dinner last night and again for lunch today 🙂

Also FYI, encapsulated fish oils are available now nearly everywhere
that are void of contaminants. They are molecularly distilled which
removes the heavy metals and other contaminants as well as reduces the
fish oil taste/smell. A new plant in Canada has helped to drive down
the price of this product (a friend of mine works there). Prior to
that, the only sources were plants in Norway.

I've added salmon to the list of fish as well.
I was avoiding encapsulated fish oils because they contain so little
oil per cap. To replace a tablespoon a day would take half a bottle.

The concentration depends on the product brand. Some of them are quite
concentrated.

I'll be looking for them.
--
Bob Mann
Help save trees. Wipe your ass with an owl.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob Mann said:

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob Mann said:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:29:23 -0500, Will Brink
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>,
> Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Just got my results back from the doc and I am back to normal.
>> Relatively speaking.
>>
>> from 8.2 mmol/L to 5.7 mmol/L in 2 moths or so.
>>
>> The works out to 317 mg/dL to 220 mg/dL
>> Not quite where I want it but a whole lot closer.
>
>More important, what was and is your HDL/LDL ratio? A more complete
>picture of your CVD risk would be to have C-reactive protein and
>Homocysteine checked.

A more complete check will probably be done later.

Most docs either don't know or care about the last two, so you will have
to request them, if not demand them.

I'll keep that in mind.
I have family history of heart disease so at least I have that on my
side.

I assume you have read my article on blood work?

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob Mann said:

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:29:23 -0500, Will Brink
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email hidden]>,
> > Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> Just got my results back from the doc and I am back to

normal.

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> >> Relatively speaking.
> >>
> >> from 8.2 mmol/L to 5.7 mmol/L in 2 moths or so.
> >>
> >> The works out to 317 mg/dL to 220 mg/dL
> >> Not quite where I want it but a whole lot closer.
> >
> >More important, what was and is your HDL/LDL ratio? A more

complete

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> >picture of your CVD risk would be to have C-reactive protein

and

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> >Homocysteine checked.
>
> A more complete check will probably be done later.

Most docs either don't know or care about the last two, so you

will have

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to request them, if not demand them.

I'll keep that in mind.
I have family history of heart disease so at least I have that on

my

Quoted message said:

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side.

I assume you have read my article on blood work?

You ASSume too much, Dr. Spam 🙂

On 18 Feb 2005 07:01:02 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob Mann said:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:08:58 -0500, Will Brink
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>,
> Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:29:23 -0500, Will Brink
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just got my results back from the doc and I am back to

normal.

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>> >> Relatively speaking.
>> >>
>> >> from 8.2 mmol/L to 5.7 mmol/L in 2 moths or so.
>> >>
>> >> The works out to 317 mg/dL to 220 mg/dL
>> >> Not quite where I want it but a whole lot closer.
>> >
>> >More important, what was and is your HDL/LDL ratio? A more

complete

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>> >picture of your CVD risk would be to have C-reactive protein

and

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>> >Homocysteine checked.
>>
>> A more complete check will probably be done later.
>
>Most docs either don't know or care about the last two, so you

will have

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>to request them, if not demand them.

I'll keep that in mind.
I have family history of heart disease so at least I have that on

my

Quoted message said:

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side.

I assume you have read my article on blood work?

You ASSume too much, Dr. Spam 🙂

ouch.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

elzinator said:

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob Mann said:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:08:58 -0500, Will Brink
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>,
> Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:29:23 -0500, Will Brink
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just got my results back from the doc and I am back to

normal.

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>> >> Relatively speaking.
>> >>
>> >> from 8.2 mmol/L to 5.7 mmol/L in 2 moths or so.
>> >>
>> >> The works out to 317 mg/dL to 220 mg/dL
>> >> Not quite where I want it but a whole lot closer.
>> >
>> >More important, what was and is your HDL/LDL ratio? A more

complete

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>> >picture of your CVD risk would be to have C-reactive protein

and

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>> >Homocysteine checked.
>>
>> A more complete check will probably be done later.
>
>Most docs either don't know or care about the last two, so you

will have

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Quoted message said:

>to request them, if not demand them.

I'll keep that in mind.
I have family history of heart disease so at least I have that on

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

side.

I assume you have read my article on blood work?

You ASSume too much, Dr. Spam 🙂

That's not spam you [censored]!

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

elzinator said:

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:08:58 -0500, Will Brink
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email hidden]>,
> > Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:29:23 -0500, Will Brink
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <[email hidden]>,
> >> > Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Just got my results back from the doc and I am back to

normal.

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> >> >> Relatively speaking.
> >> >>
> >> >> from 8.2 mmol/L to 5.7 mmol/L in 2 moths or so.
> >> >>
> >> >> The works out to 317 mg/dL to 220 mg/dL
> >> >> Not quite where I want it but a whole lot closer.
> >> >
> >> >More important, what was and is your HDL/LDL ratio? A more

complete

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> >> >picture of your CVD risk would be to have C-reactive protein

and

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> >> >Homocysteine checked.
> >>
> >> A more complete check will probably be done later.
> >
> >Most docs either don't know or care about the last two, so you

will have

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> >to request them, if not demand them.
>
> I'll keep that in mind.
> I have family history of heart disease so at least I have that on

my

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> side.

I assume you have read my article on blood work?

You ASSume too much, Dr. Spam 🙂

That's not spam you [censored]!

Ah ah....that's 'beyotch', Will.
And actually, I think it's the 'Dr.' part I got wrong. 😉

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Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob Mann said:

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:29:23 -0500, Will Brink
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email hidden]>,
> > Bob Mann <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> Just got my results back from the doc and I am back to normal.
> >> Relatively speaking.
> >>
> >> from 8.2 mmol/L to 5.7 mmol/L in 2 moths or so.
> >>
> >> The works out to 317 mg/dL to 220 mg/dL
> >> Not quite where I want it but a whole lot closer.
> >
> >More important, what was and is your HDL/LDL ratio? A more complete
> >picture of your CVD risk would be to have C-reactive protein and
> >Homocysteine checked.
>
> A more complete check will probably be done later.

Most docs either don't know or care about the last two, so you will have
to request them, if not demand them.

I'll keep that in mind.
I have family history of heart disease so at least I have that on my
side.

I assume you have read my article on blood work?

I meant to type *no* family history.
--
Bob Mann
Help save trees. Wipe your ass with an owl.

"Bob Mann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Just got my results back from the doc and I am back to normal.
Relatively speaking.

from 8.2 mmol/L to 5.7 mmol/L in 2 moths or so.

The works out to 317 mg/dL to 220 mg/dL
Not quite where I want it but a whole lot closer.

I've made quite a few changes in diet such as more fish, fewer
starches and more salads and vegetables.

I've also lost about 6 lbs since I started dieting and plan to lose
another 10 or so.
--
Bob Mann
Help save trees. Wipe your ass with an owl.

Bob,
This may or may not be of interest, but I just got the February issue of the
Journal of Lipid Research, and there is a new study (must have subscription
for latest issues) that shows that 2.8 to 5.6 g of Phoshatidylinositol
increased HDL levels in humans. Now only 16 normallipiid subjects tested
for 12 weeks, but they saw 13-18% increase in HDL, and a whopping 36%
decrease in plasma triacylglycerides.
Cite is:
Burgess, J. W., Neville, T., Rouillard, P., Harder, Z., Beanlands, D., and
Sparks, D. 2005 Phosphatidylinositol increases HDL-C levels in humans, J.
Lipid Res. 46, 350-355.

You might be able to get abstract from: http://www.jlr.org/
They got the PI from soy lecithin, so could be supplemented with a safe
supplement that is OTC.
FYI

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