cholesterol

Roger Zoul said:

Ophelia said:

Quoted message said:

Jackie Patti wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> Jackie Patti wrote:
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> As for the numbers you mentioned...... I don't have a clue🙁
>>> You want LDL to be Low. You want HDL to be High.
>>
>> Ok thank you. And what are the numbers I ought to be looking for.
>> What numbers are the most dangerous? What is the number one must
>> aim for please?
>
> When you get a copy of the lab resuls, it'll say what they consider
> normal.
> This isn't something people agree on. For instance, most doctors
> are happy if they get your LDL under 100, whereas Davis wants it
> under 60.

Ok thanks! I will need to ask to see them, because they wouldn't
normally give them to you. She will just tell me if I need to
change anything and if so, what.

Please get a printed copy of your lab report. Use it for future
reference.

That could be very difficult. I could ask her for the numbers and note them
down myself?

Susan said:

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Ophelia said:

Jackie Patti said:

Ophelia wrote:

> As for the numbers you mentioned...... I don't have a clue🙁

You want LDL to be Low. You want HDL to be High.

Ok thank you. And what are the numbers I ought to be looking for. What
numbers are the most dangerous? What is the number one must
aim for please?

High TGL and low HDL are the most dangerous pattern. Of all the
lipids, LDL is the least predictive of CVD.

Oh dear. You will think I am terribly dim🙁 I know what LDL and HDL are!
TGL is an unknown!

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Ophelia said:

Oh dear. You will think I am terribly dim🙁 I know what LDL and HDL are!
TGL is an unknown!

I'm sorry, my bad. TGL = triglycerides.

Susan

Susan said:

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Ophelia said:

Oh dear. You will think I am terribly dim🙁 I know what LDL and
HDL are! TGL is an unknown!

I'm sorry, my bad. TGL = triglycerides.

That is something different then? Will my doc have that on the sheet too?

Ophelia wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Ophelia wrote:
::::: Jackie Patti wrote:
:::::: Ophelia wrote:
::::::: Jackie Patti wrote:
:::::::: Ophelia wrote:
::::::::
::::::::: As for the numbers you mentioned...... I don't have a clue🙁
:::::::: You want LDL to be Low. You want HDL to be High.
:::::::
::::::: Ok thank you. And what are the numbers I ought to be looking
::::::: for. What numbers are the most dangerous? What is the number
::::::: one must aim for please?
::::::
:::::: When you get a copy of the lab resuls, it'll say what they
:::::: consider normal.
:::::: This isn't something people agree on. For instance, most doctors
:::::: are happy if they get your LDL under 100, whereas Davis wants it
:::::: under 60.
:::::
::::: Ok thanks! I will need to ask to see them, because they wouldn't
::::: normally give them to you. She will just tell me if I need to
::::: change anything and if so, what.
:::
::: Please get a printed copy of your lab report. Use it for future
::: reference.
::
:: That could be very difficult. I could ask her for the numbers and
:: note them down myself?

yes, but it's much better AFTER THE FACT to have a copy of the actual report
.. Why would that be difficult to get in the UK?

Ophelia wrote:
:: Susan wrote:
::: x-no-archive: yes
:::
::: Ophelia wrote:
:::
:::: Oh dear. You will think I am terribly dim🙁 I know what LDL and
:::: HDL are! TGL is an unknown!
::::
::::
:::
::: I'm sorry, my bad. TGL = triglycerides.
::
:: That is something different then? Will my doc have that on the
:: sheet too?

Yes, unless you live in Oz...

Roger Zoul said:

Ophelia said:

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>>> Jackie Patti wrote:
>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> Jackie Patti wrote:
>>>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the numbers you mentioned...... I don't have a clue🙁
>>>>>> You want LDL to be Low. You want HDL to be High.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok thank you. And what are the numbers I ought to be looking
>>>>> for. What numbers are the most dangerous? What is the number
>>>>> one must aim for please?
>>>>
>>>> When you get a copy of the lab resuls, it'll say what they
>>>> consider normal.
>>>> This isn't something people agree on. For instance, most
>>>> doctors are happy if they get your LDL under 100, whereas Davis
>>>> wants it under 60.
>>>
>>> Ok thanks! I will need to ask to see them, because they wouldn't
>>> normally give them to you. She will just tell me if I need to
>>> change anything and if so, what.
>
> Please get a printed copy of your lab report. Use it for future
> reference.

That could be very difficult. I could ask her for the numbers and
note them down myself?

yes, but it's much better AFTER THE FACT to have a copy of the actual
report . Why would that be difficult to get in the UK?

This is the NHS. She probably has so many people to see that to take time
out to print this.... but I will ask.. I promise.

Roger Zoul said:

Ophelia said:

Quoted message said:

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> Oh dear. You will think I am terribly dim🙁 I know what LDL and
>> HDL are! TGL is an unknown!
>>
>>
>
> I'm sorry, my bad. TGL = triglycerides.

That is something different then? Will my doc have that on the
sheet too?

Yes, unless you live in Oz...

UK

Ophelia wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Ophelia wrote:
::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::: Ophelia wrote:
:::::::: Jackie Patti wrote:
::::::::: Ophelia wrote:
:::::::::: Jackie Patti wrote:
::::::::::: Ophelia wrote:
:::::::::::
:::::::::::: As for the numbers you mentioned...... I don't have a
:::::::::::: clue🙁
::::::::::: You want LDL to be Low. You want HDL to be High.
::::::::::
:::::::::: Ok thank you. And what are the numbers I ought to be looking
:::::::::: for. What numbers are the most dangerous? What is the number
:::::::::: one must aim for please?
:::::::::
::::::::: When you get a copy of the lab resuls, it'll say what they
::::::::: consider normal.
::::::::: This isn't something people agree on. For instance, most
::::::::: doctors are happy if they get your LDL under 100, whereas
::::::::: Davis wants it under 60.
::::::::
:::::::: Ok thanks! I will need to ask to see them, because they
:::::::: wouldn't normally give them to you. She will just tell me if
:::::::: I need to change anything and if so, what.
::::::
:::::: Please get a printed copy of your lab report. Use it for future
:::::: reference.
:::::
::::: That could be very difficult. I could ask her for the numbers and
::::: note them down myself?
:::
::: yes, but it's much better AFTER THE FACT to have a copy of the
::: actual report . Why would that be difficult to get in the UK?
::
:: This is the NHS. She probably has so many people to see that to
:: take time out to print this.... but I will ask.. I promise.

oh, so you don't pay? I can't believe the laws don't provide you the right
to your information. In any case, please don't be timid about YOUR health.
If it's important enough for you to make an extra trip in for, it's certain
important enough for you to have written copies. heck, you might end up on
some drug for life! Based on what? Numbers you can't even see? Nonsense,
O! 🙂

Also, I'm sure your doctor won't do it herself...don't they have nurses and
aides and such?

Roger Zoul said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This is the NHS. She probably has so many people to see that to
take time out to print this.... but I will ask.. I promise.

oh, so you don't pay?

Well, not directly no. We pay National Insurance on our salaries.

I can't believe the laws don't provide you the

Quoted message said:

right to your information.

Well, they do, but you have to make an official request and it takes time.

In any case, please don't be timid about

Quoted message said:

YOUR health. If it's important enough for you to make an extra trip
in for, it's certain important enough for you to have written copies.
heck, you might end up on some drug for life! Based on what? Numbers
you can't even see? Nonsense, O! 🙂

My Doc is very good and will let me see the numbers, no problem.

Quoted message said:

Also, I'm sure your doctor won't do it herself...don't they have
nurses and aides and such?

Yes, of course, but they have their own work. The best I can see, is that I
ask her to give me the numbers and write them down myself. I don't want to
cause problems, they are very busy!

I will get the numbers, I promise.

I will make my appointment one day next week and i will report back.

Ophelia wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::::: This is the NHS. She probably has so many people to see that to
::::: take time out to print this.... but I will ask.. I promise.
:::
::: oh, so you don't pay?
::
:: Well, not directly no. We pay National Insurance on our salaries.
::
:: I can't believe the laws don't provide you the
::: right to your information.
::
:: Well, they do, but you have to make an official request and it takes
:: time.
::
::
:: In any case, please don't be timid about
::: YOUR health. If it's important enough for you to make an extra trip
::: in for, it's certain important enough for you to have written
::: copies. heck, you might end up on some drug for life! Based on
::: what? Numbers you can't even see? Nonsense, O! 🙂
::
:: My Doc is very good and will let me see the numbers, no problem.
::
::: Also, I'm sure your doctor won't do it herself...don't they have
::: nurses and aides and such?
::
:: Yes, of course, but they have their own work. The best I can see,
:: is that I ask her to give me the numbers and write them down myself.
:: I don't want to cause problems, they are very busy!
::

Don't forget you're paying for that work, one way or another. They work for
you. You're not causing problems for them to ask for your lab work.

:: I will get the numbers, I promise.
::
:: I will make my appointment one day next week and i will report back.

Do you have a camera? I find my little digital camera does an excellent job
on documents with the macro (closeup) setting.

Ophelia wrote:
|
| This is the NHS. She probably has so many people to see that to take
| time out to print this.... but I will ask.. I promise.

I just want to add a scientific touch to this thread. Check out
www.thincs.org for a research based discussion about the flaws of the
common theories about cholesterol and disease. I hope that it will be of
some value.

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Quoted message said:

Last week I had blood tests and today when I phoned for results, I was
told to make an appointment to see the Doctor because of the cholesterol.

How will this fit in with low carb? Is she likely to give me medication?

Help appreciated please.

A good doctor is an advisor, somebody to ask questions, etc. Not a dictator.
Its great that you're here asking questions. Educate yourself about you and
your body and find a doctor who is a team player (if you haven't already).

As far as cholesterol is concerned, I'm not convinced that its as bad as
they say it is. Here are a couple of interesting resources for you, not as
much about cholesterol as in regards to your general health and well being.

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/10/21/lkl.diet.debate.cnn

All the Best!

Mike

FOB said:

Do you have a camera? I find my little digital camera does an
excellent job on documents with the macro (closeup) setting.

I do indeed🙂) I will take it with me.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I have just remembered. Everything is on computer now!!!
No, pack of notes. I wonder if she can print it straight from computer??

I will go next week. We can't even make forward appointments any more.
You must ring up on the day you want to see someone. Our goverment has a
lot to answer for🙁((

Quoted message said:

Ophelia said:

This is the NHS. She probably has so many people to see that to take
time out to print this.... but I will ask.. I promise.

Håkan Lane said:

I just want to add a scientific touch to this thread. Check out
www.thincs.org for a research based discussion about the flaws of the
common theories about cholesterol and disease. I hope that it will be
of some value.

Thank you Håkan

em said:

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Last week I had blood tests and today when I phoned for results, I
was told to make an appointment to see the Doctor because of the
cholesterol. How will this fit in with low carb? Is she likely to give
me
medication? Help appreciated please.

A good doctor is an advisor, somebody to ask questions, etc. Not a
dictator. Its great that you're here asking questions. Educate
yourself about you and your body and find a doctor who is a team
player (if you haven't already).
As far as cholesterol is concerned, I'm not convinced that its as bad
as they say it is. Here are a couple of interesting resources for
you, not as much about cholesterol as in regards to your general
health and well being.
http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/10/21/lkl.diet.debate.cnn

Many thanks Mike🙂

Ophelia said:

em wrote:

/

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/10/21/lkl.diet.debate.cnn

Many thanks Mike🙂

I have just watched that vid and I am very impressed.

Once again, thank you!!

Ophelia said:

sycochkn said:

she is not allowing you to know the results without paying for an
office visit. She is likely to want you to take medication rather
than diet and exercise because then you dont have to do office
visits. Doctors do not do preventive medicine, insurance does not pay
for it.
Bob

Hi Bob, I am in UK. I do have private insurance but only for trauma

I'm in the US and have a question about your health care
policy. If someone refuses what their doctor(s) suggest for
preventive care, are there any repercussions?

For example someone is an alcoholic and the doctors find
they are in the early stages of liver cirrhosis. The
doctors suggest abstaining from alcohol to reduce more
damage and offer rehabilitation (detox) for alcoholism. If
you don't follow those options and later when you need a
liver transplant, will you be treated equally as someone who
took the medical advice?

In short, is the system non-judgmental or are their
consequences to not following medical suggestions?

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RRzVRR said:

Quoted message said:

Hi Bob, I am in UK. I do have private insurance but only for trauma

oopsh that should be for NON trauma

Quoted message said:

I'm in the US and have a question about your health care
policy. If someone refuses what their doctor(s) suggest for
preventive care, are there any repercussions?

There could be yes. It depends on the doctor. For example, some surgeons
refuse to operate on obese people or those who smoke, yet those same
surgeons would offer the same patient the same operation as a private
patient.

Quoted message said:

For example someone is an alcoholic and the doctors find
they are in the early stages of liver cirrhosis. The
doctors suggest abstaining from alcohol to reduce more
damage and offer rehabilitation (detox) for alcoholism. If
you don't follow those options and later when you need a
liver transplant, will you be treated equally as someone who
took the medical advice?

Not always

Quoted message said:

In short, is the system non-judgmental or are their
consequences to not following medical suggestions?

As I said. It depends on your Doctor. My Doc is exceptionally good and I
doubt if she would refuse me treatment. Although it could be taken out of
her hands if she tried to get specialist care for me.