Chocolate makes me sleep, so from this we learn...?

You're probably an undiagnosed diabetic who needs to lose weight and learn
how eat right....

Big Bill wrote:
:: Double choc-chip cookies are BOGOFF at Tesco today but I can't
:: indulge as I'll sleep for the rest of the day. Well, most of it
:: anyway. What does this say about my metabolism? Am I asking on the
:: right group, even?

I would say it means you've found the ultimate non-addictive sleep aid.
Just have a bar before bedtime....

Wish it would do that to me...

Steve

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Double choc-chip cookies are BOGOFF at Tesco today but I can't indulge
as I'll sleep for the rest of the day. Well, most of it anyway. What
does this say about my metabolism? Am I asking on the right group,
even?

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cookies before bed? Sounds like a real good way to get fatter and fatter.

Scionyx wrote:
:: I would say it means you've found the ultimate non-addictive sleep
:: aid. Just have a bar before bedtime....
::
:: Wish it would do that to me...
::
:: Steve
::
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::: Double choc-chip cookies are BOGOFF at Tesco today but I can't
::: indulge as I'll sleep for the rest of the day. Well, most of it
::: anyway. What does this say about my metabolism? Am I asking on the
::: right group, even?
:::
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:19:42 -0700, "Scionyx" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I would say it means you've found the ultimate non-addictive sleep aid.
Just have a bar before bedtime....

Wish it would do that to me...

Steve

What was that about non-addictive?

BB (chomp, slurp ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

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Roger Zoul said:

cookies before bed? Sounds like a real good way to get fatter and fatter.

I never said anything about before bed. For breakfast, and I sleep.
For hours. This is unnatural and I want to know what does it. It's a
sign of something.

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Big Bill wrote:
:: On Wed, 23 May 2007 01:20:43 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: cookies before bed? Sounds like a real good way to get fatter and
::: fatter.
::
:: I never said anything about before bed.

The post I replied to did....

For breakfast, and I sleep.
:: For hours. This is unnatural and I want to know what does it. It's a
:: sign of something.
::
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:19:42 -0700, "Scionyx" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I would say it means you've found the ultimate non-addictive sleep aid.
Just have a bar before bedtime....

Wish it would do that to me...

Steve

What was that about non-addictive?

Oops. Yeah, <sigh>.

LOL

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BB (chomp, slurp ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

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Big Bill said:

I never said anything about before bed. For breakfast, and I sleep.
For hours. This is unnatural and I want to know what does it. It's a
sign of something.

It's not diagnostic, but it could be a sign of having diabetes or
being pre-diabetic.

What happens is that while there's plenty of fuel available in your
bloodstream, the biochemistry to get it into the cells isn't working,

OK, why isn't it working and how would I test for this and what would
I do about it?

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so your cells are starving. This results in you feeling weak, tired
and ravenously hungry. The hungry bit is the bad bit, you eat again.
And raise your bg too high again. And repeat. And it gets worse and
worse. It's a very vicious circle.

About a decade ago, I found myself coming back from lunch hungrier
every day. One day, I had a couple BLTs for lunch, but was painfully
ravenous a half hour later. I got a chocolate bar from the vending
machine, ate it and passed out at my desk. This is a HUGE clue that
one's body isn't handling sugar properly.

Are you thirsty a lot?

Dunno, I drink a ton of tea and coffee so I tend not to be. Or water,
if I'm Atkins.

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Do you pee a lot, not able to sleep through
the night anymore without needing to use the bathroom?

Well, kinda, but I have a mug before bed and I am 54. I don't think
that's a diabetic thing.

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And is your
pee very light colored, almost like water?

Haven't looked, really.

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If you have some of these
other symptoms, you probably have very elevated blood glucose.

Hypoglycaemic?

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You break the cycle with a week of induction-level low-carbing to
reset your biochemistry.

I get murderous constipation on LC. I have a spread rectus abdominus
to prove it.

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The first few days, you have very intense
cravings, but it passes and then you just experience normal hunger and
can eat sanely again... but not carbs. Carby foods will put you back
on the crazy hungry cycle again.

I avoid bread and potatoes now. Most of the time.

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Big Bill said:

Quoted message said:

What happens is that while there's plenty of fuel available in your
bloodstream, the biochemistry to get it into the cells isn't working,

OK, why isn't it working and how would I test for this and what would
I do about it?

If you want to test yourself, you could test with a blood glucose
meter. There's a good recent thread here about that.

Or you could ask your doctor for a Glucose Tolerance Test.

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Quoted message said:

Are you thirsty a lot?

Dunno, I drink a ton of tea and coffee so I tend not to be. Or water,
if I'm Atkins.

Quoted message said:

Do you pee a lot, not able to sleep through
the night anymore without needing to use the bathroom?

Well, kinda, but I have a mug before bed and I am 54. I don't think
that's a diabetic thing.

Quoted message said:

And is your
pee very light colored, almost like water?

Haven't looked, really.

Quoted message said:

If you have some of these
other symptoms, you probably have very elevated blood glucose.

Hypoglycaemic?

IME, these symptoms kick in when bg is over 300. Like... when it's
*very* high.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You break the cycle with a week of induction-level low-carbing to
reset your biochemistry.

I get murderous constipation on LC. I have a spread rectus abdominus
to prove it.

Add more fat and fiber. I'm certainly in the camp that encourages
people to eat lotsa veggies, but frankly, I think fat works even
better.

I'd suggest buying a bunch of cheap fatty hamburger and just eating
burgers with mayo as your main meals, with a salad on the side. Eggs
cooked swimming in butter for breakfast. That'd be a nice "loose"
type of induction to do for a few days to break the craving cycle.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The first few days, you have very intense
cravings, but it passes and then you just experience normal hunger and
can eat sanely again... but not carbs. Carby foods will put you back
on the crazy hungry cycle again.

I avoid bread and potatoes now. Most of the time.

Sounds like you might need to avoid chocolate too.

There's a couple other chocolate options though. I buy Lindt 85%
cocoa bars. They are made with real sugar, but there's so little that
it's not a problem. If you like dark chocolate, something like that
would be an option.

If you prefer a milk chocolate, here's Lynne's chocolate:
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/text/cooking/baking/lynneschocolate.asp

But I'd suggest doing a week of induction before experimenting with
this stuff. Otherwise, you won't be able to tell if they kick off
cravings or not, cause induction is a pretty craving-full time.

Big Bill said:

Quoted message said:

If you have some of these other symptoms, you probably have very
elevated blood glucose.

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Hypoglycaemic?

No, hypoglycemia is low blood sugar. High blood sugar would be
hyperglycemia.

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I get murderous constipation on LC. I have a spread rectus abdominus
to prove it.

Eat more fat. I think the people who have constipation on LC tend to
be those who cut back on carbs without adding fat, so they end up just
eating a lot of protein, which is pretty dense and usually doesn't
include fiber either.

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I avoid bread and potatoes now. Most of the time.

Most of the time? When you asked earlier, "why isn't it working,"
here you go. One high-carb meal can undo at least a week's good work.
Bread and potatoes have to be off-limits, period, at least until
you've been on the plan for a while and have a good handle on things.
Then, *maybe* you can introduce them back into your diet in small
quantities or LC versions, but you'll be better off if you just don't.

--
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Big Bill said:

Quoted message said:

What happens is that while there's plenty of fuel available in your
bloodstream, the biochemistry to get it into the cells isn't working,

OK, why isn't it working and how would I test for this and what would
I do about it?

If you want to test yourself, you could test with a blood glucose
meter. There's a good recent thread here about that.

Or you could ask your doctor for a Glucose Tolerance Test.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are you thirsty a lot?

Dunno, I drink a ton of tea and coffee so I tend not to be. Or water,
if I'm Atkins.

Quoted message said:

Do you pee a lot, not able to sleep through
the night anymore without needing to use the bathroom?

Well, kinda, but I have a mug before bed and I am 54. I don't think
that's a diabetic thing.

Quoted message said:

And is your
pee very light colored, almost like water?

Haven't looked, really.

Quoted message said:

If you have some of these
other symptoms, you probably have very elevated blood glucose.

Hypoglycaemic?

IME, these symptoms kick in when bg is over 300. Like... when it's
*very* high.

OK, so what other signs would there be?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You break the cycle with a week of induction-level low-carbing to
reset your biochemistry.

I get murderous constipation on LC. I have a spread rectus abdominus
to prove it.

Add more fat and fiber.

Fat? fiber I can do but it's very difficult. It tends to stop being
low-carb then.

Quoted message said:

I'm certainly in the camp that encourages
people to eat lotsa veggies, but frankly, I think fat works even
better.

I'd suggest buying a bunch of cheap fatty hamburger and just eating
burgers with mayo as your main meals, with a salad on the side.

For how long, till I lose six stone? Boredom becomes the killer.

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Eggs
cooked swimming in butter for breakfast. That'd be a nice "loose"
type of induction to do for a few days to break the craving cycle.

I do do that every now and then. We used to sell clarified butter in
the UK and everyone loved it but everyone got fat so stopped buying
it. This was years back, before the current obesity epidemic.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The first few days, you have very intense
cravings, but it passes and then you just experience normal hunger and
can eat sanely again... but not carbs. Carby foods will put you back
on the crazy hungry cycle again.

I avoid bread and potatoes now. Most of the time.

Sounds like you might need to avoid chocolate too.

Sob...

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There's a couple other chocolate options though. I buy Lindt 85%
cocoa bars. They are made with real sugar, but there's so little that
it's not a problem. If you like dark chocolate, something like that
would be an option.

I do actually :-) <Homer>Lindt, eh?</Homer>

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If you prefer a milk chocolate, here's Lynne's chocolate:
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/text/cooking/baking/lynneschocolate.asp

But I'd suggest doing a week of induction before experimenting with
this stuff. Otherwise, you won't be able to tell if they kick off
cravings or not, cause induction is a pretty craving-full time.

I need to do something again. I'm going to get rid of the fridge soon,
that'll help.

BB
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Big Bill wrote:
|
| Fat? fiber I can do but it's very difficult. It tends to stop being
| low-carb then.e

Fiber is easy if you get some sugar free Metamucil (or off brand knockoff)
or just some plain ground psyllium husks, take a dose once or twice a day
and you will have nicely formed but freely flowing poops.
|
| For how long, till I lose six stone? Boredom becomes the killer.

Induction is only two weeks, then you can start introducing other things and
testing them to see what works for you.
|

| BB

Big Bill said:

OK, so what other signs would there be?

Diabetes symptoms can vary. I pretty much gave signs of having REALLY
high blood sugar. Most people who don't know they have diabetes wind
up with very high blood glucose before they find out.

Other ones might be... feeling very weak, particularly muscular
weakness. Easily exhausted. Etc.

But... blood testing is really the way to know.

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Add more fat and fiber.

Fat? fiber I can do but it's very difficult. It tends to stop being
low-carb then.

Fat is easier.

But on all the low-carb plans, you are supposed to be eating veggies.
Non-starchy veggies are pretty low-carb and pretty fiberous.

Simplest, though not most pleasant, thing to do is psyllium husks.
They're pure fiber. I can't say I find them pleasant.

I eat about a pound of vegetables daily, so I don't supplement fiber
myself.

And I feel that fat has a stronger effect on digestive issues, but
your mileage may vary.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm certainly in the camp that encourages
people to eat lotsa veggies, but frankly, I think fat works even
better.

Quoted message said:

I'd suggest buying a bunch of cheap fatty hamburger and just eating
burgers with mayo as your main meals, with a salad on the side.

For how long, till I lose six stone? Boredom becomes the killer.

For a few days, up to a week.

The purpose of induction isn't weight loss, but to switch over your
biochemistry. It's worth being strict for a week or so to kill off
the cravings, which makes dieting much easier to deal with on an
ongoing basis.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Eggs
cooked swimming in butter for breakfast. That'd be a nice "loose"
type of induction to do for a few days to break the craving cycle.

I do do that every now and then. We used to sell clarified butter in
the UK and everyone loved it but everyone got fat so stopped buying
it. This was years back, before the current obesity epidemic.

I'm not suggesting eggs swimming in butter and burgers with salad as a
permanent diet. Cause yes, that would be monotonous. And frankly,
variety is important to nutrition.

I'm suggesting it as a high-fat induction likely to avoid regularity
problems until the cravings stop, while you go through withdrawal, for
a while to make the ongoing diet easier.

You need to follow-up with something with a bit more variety. I would
recommend Protein Power. They have a quite reasonable two-phase diet
plan that I think makes a lot of sense and has a lot of variety.

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I need to do something again. I'm going to get rid of the fridge soon,
that'll help.

Emptying it might make more sense than getting rid of it.