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  1. Sorry for the lengthy rant, but I feel obliged to stand up for an
    individual who has done so much to enhance the outdoor experience for
    so many people for so modest a financial reward.
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion but the criticism of Chris Townsend
    is over the top and (IMHO) appears to be from one who has not actually
    tried out some of the advice in the book.
    Anything Chris recommends is from personal experience, not from
    reading the manufacturer's blurb or 2nd hand accounts. His equipment
    reviews in TGO are comprehensive and must take ages to research
    because so many different makes are directly compared, which other
    magazines fail to do.
    It is obvious that Chris is not biased, because he quite fairly points
    out the shortcomings in items regardless of manufacturer. If he thinks
    a £40 Millets jacket performs as well as a £200 ‘top' manufacturers
    offering, he says so. ‘Interactive' zip-in jackets is an area where he
    took a stand against all the marketing hype to show what a nonsense
    they were. They are still being sold to those who don't read reviews
    from people like Chris.
    Chris could be a valuable marketing asset for any outdoor company, but
    he chooses to maintain his independence to the benefit of us all.
    There may be an apparent US bias, but that is not his fault. Chris has
    unashamedly been promoting ultralight gear for many years. Others may
    prefer traditional sturdier and heavier gear, it is a matter of
    personal choice. Unfortunately ultralight is a concept that UK
    manufacturers and retailers have so far failed to embrace, so he has
    to evaluatee what is available, which is (usually) from across the
    pond.
    Ultralight in the UK is a niche market. Retailers target the bulk of
    their sales at the hordes who like to be seen in Kendall High Street
    wearing the latest gear in this year's colours. For every 10 of them
    there may be one ultralight backpacker who gets away from the
    honeypots to camp out in the wilds. There is no incentive for
    manufacturers to abandon the bulk of their market, especially as
    lightweight gear is more basic and cheaper to make – with reduced
    retail mark-up.
    In the States the ultralight market is much bigger and companies like
    Golite have taken great strides in making high quality, functional and
    light gear. Here Golite remains a very hard to obtain brand. Without
    Chris' recommendations I would never have heard of them and I would
    not be using their Infinity pack, an appropriate name as it is
    infinitely more comfortable and lighter than anything I could have
    obtained here. That is only one example, I could go on.
    Perhaps it's a good thing that people like REC find the book useless,
    because if we all followed Chris' example there would be hordes of us
    out on the hills camping wild and that wilderness experience would all
    but disappear from our tiny island.
    From my own point of view if I am looking for a new piece of kit I
    first try to find reviews before deciding. Chris' advice and
    recommendations have been invaluable for me several times and long may
    he continue.

    Steve Jones

  2. Steve Jones said:

    Sorry for the lengthy rant, but I feel obliged to stand up for an
    individual who has done so much to enhance the outdoor experience for
    so many people for so modest a financial reward.

    Haven't read most of this thread so don't know if anyone's getting at
    Chris and to what extent. However, a couple of observations on points
    raised...

    Quoted message said:

    Ultralight in the UK is a niche market.

    Ultralight /anywhere/ is a niche market.

    Quoted message said:

    Retailers target the bulk of
    their sales at the hordes who like to be seen in Kendall High Street
    wearing the latest gear in this year's colours. For every 10 of them
    there may be one ultralight backpacker who gets away from the
    honeypots to camp out in the wilds. There is no incentive for
    manufacturers to abandon the bulk of their market, especially as
    lightweight gear is more basic and cheaper to make – with reduced
    retail mark-up.

    Ultralight gear is /not/ cheaper to make, because to have acceptable
    strength and durability while being as light as possible generally
    requires a high technology input which in turn costs Real Money. And
    because it is a small niche (because frankly a lot of the time UK
    conditions aren't the best for camping under a tarp etc., as Chris
    himself has often pointed out) that means there's less choice so a mark
    up is likely to be /bigger/ rather than smaller.

    There's a *lot* more to making good ultralight gear than removing the
    whistles and bells. The reason there's not much is at least in part
    because it's very difficult to do well.

    Quoted message said:

    In the States the ultralight market is much bigger

    But it's still a small portion of the total market, even with many areas
    much better suited to ultralight than the UK (i.e., stable weather
    conditions).

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  3. (Steve Jones) said:

    Sorry for the lengthy rant, but I feel obliged to stand up for an
    individual who has done so much to enhance the outdoor experience for
    so many people for so modest a financial reward.
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion but the criticism of Chris Townsend
    is over the top and (IMHO) appears to be from one who has not actually
    tried out some of the advice in the book.

    Well said Steve, I've hmm'd and urr'd about adding my t'penneth; I'll
    take the "bandwidth-friendly" route and agree with you!

    SteveO
    --
    NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
    http://www.thenmc.org.uk/phpBB2/index.php

    NMC website: http://www.thenmc.org.uk

  4. Errrrmmm. You slightly missed my point.
    I have been reading Chris' reviews since I was about 14 and have allways
    held them in very high regard. I don't think his reviews are biased, not at
    all. I think the book (as a whole not the individual reviews contained in
    it) has a bias towards American readers. I could have worded my original
    comment better.
    I enjoyed the book and will be re-reading it. I will not alter my opinion
    though that it definately felt more like an American publication which is
    what it is. Chris' reviews in TGO are the best in my opinion and I will
    never tire of reading them.

    I wish I had not started this thread!

    Rich

    --
    Wales and Borders 15th Century Living History Society
    www.15thcentury.co.uk
    "Steve Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry for the lengthy rant, but I feel obliged to stand up for an
    individual who has done so much to enhance the outdoor experience for
    so many people for so modest a financial reward.
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion but the criticism of Chris Townsend
    is over the top and (IMHO) appears to be from one who has not actually
    tried out some of the advice in the book.
    Anything Chris recommends is from personal experience, not from
    reading the manufacturer's blurb or 2nd hand accounts. His equipment
    reviews in TGO are comprehensive and must take ages to research
    because so many different makes are directly compared, which other
    magazines fail to do.
    It is obvious that Chris is not biased, because he quite fairly points
    out the shortcomings in items regardless of manufacturer. If he thinks
    a £40 Millets jacket performs as well as a £200 'top' manufacturers
    offering, he says so. 'Interactive' zip-in jackets is an area where he
    took a stand against all the marketing hype to show what a nonsense
    they were. They are still being sold to those who don't read reviews
    from people like Chris.
    Chris could be a valuable marketing asset for any outdoor company, but
    he chooses to maintain his independence to the benefit of us all.
    There may be an apparent US bias, but that is not his fault. Chris has
    unashamedly been promoting ultralight gear for many years. Others may
    prefer traditional sturdier and heavier gear, it is a matter of
    personal choice. Unfortunately ultralight is a concept that UK
    manufacturers and retailers have so far failed to embrace, so he has
    to evaluatee what is available, which is (usually) from across the
    pond.
    Ultralight in the UK is a niche market. Retailers target the bulk of
    their sales at the hordes who like to be seen in Kendall High Street
    wearing the latest gear in this year's colours. For every 10 of them
    there may be one ultralight backpacker who gets away from the
    honeypots to camp out in the wilds. There is no incentive for
    manufacturers to abandon the bulk of their market, especially as
    lightweight gear is more basic and cheaper to make - with reduced
    retail mark-up.
    In the States the ultralight market is much bigger and companies like
    Golite have taken great strides in making high quality, functional and
    light gear. Here Golite remains a very hard to obtain brand. Without
    Chris' recommendations I would never have heard of them and I would
    not be using their Infinity pack, an appropriate name as it is
    infinitely more comfortable and lighter than anything I could have
    obtained here. That is only one example, I could go on.
    Perhaps it's a good thing that people like REC find the book useless,
    because if we all followed Chris' example there would be hordes of us
    out on the hills camping wild and that wilderness experience would all
    but disappear from our tiny island.
    From my own point of view if I am looking for a new piece of kit I
    first try to find reviews before deciding. Chris' advice and
    recommendations have been invaluable for me several times and long may
    he continue.

    Steve Jones

  5. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    I wish I had not started this thread!


    Don't say that - it was on topic, topical, relevant and
    useful. Also we got some insights from Chris into the whys
    and wherefores of publication wotnots and the reason for the
    American spellings in an essentially British book. What's
    more, it was interesting and made a nice change from the usual
    photographic stuff and other such in which some of us have
    little or no interest :-)
    --
    All the best to everyone in 2005
    - Fran

  6. On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:07:45 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Layton"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I wish I had not started this thread!

    Not to worry: people who start threads aren't responsible for what
    other people post. It's important to be able to express honest points
    of view fairly, as you did 🙂

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

  7. In message <[email hidden]>, Richard Layton
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Errrrmmm. You slightly missed my point.
    I have been reading Chris' reviews since I was about 14 and have allways
    held them in very high regard. I don't think his reviews are biased, not at
    all. I think the book (as a whole not the individual reviews contained in
    it) has a bias towards American readers. I could have worded my original
    comment better.
    I enjoyed the book and will be re-reading it. I will not alter my opinion
    though that it definately felt more like an American publication which is
    what it is.

    You are quite right. I'm not going to try and argue that you need to
    know about protecting your food from bears on the Pennine Way :-)

    For anyone who's interested here's a brief history of the book.
    The book was originally written, back in 1991, for a UK publisher, as a
    book designed for Western Europe and North America. The British
    publishers sold it to a US publisher for an American edition and I
    edited out most of the European and British stuff and added some more
    American material for that edition. Sales of the UK edition were slow
    and it went out of print after a couple of years. The US edition did
    better however and the US publishers asked me to write a second edition,
    which came out in 1997. This was available here but only at a high price
    (pound for dollar) and as an import. I did reintroduce some of the
    European/UK material into this edition. In 2002 the publishers asked for
    a third edition, the one that has just come out (they don't count the
    first UK edition). I added a bit more British material to this but it
    still mainly aimed at North America, which is where most of the sales
    are. I was surprised to see the book with a UK price on it - the
    publishers didn't tell me they were doing this. The second edition was
    £19, which I felt was overpriced. This one is £12, and it's bigger.

    Quoted message said:

    Chris' reviews in TGO are the best in my opinion and I will
    never tire of reading them.

    Thank you. That's good to know. It reminds me to keep putting the same
    effort into them too.

    Quoted message said:


    I wish I had not started this thread!

    I'm glad you did.

    I'm surprised at the interest it has generated. I'm also delighted,
    flattered and even a little embarrassed at the positive response from
    most posters. Thanks everybody.

  8. In message <[email hidden]>, Richard Layton
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Errrrmmm. You slightly missed my point.
    I have been reading Chris' reviews since I was about 14 and have allways
    held them in very high regard. I don't think his reviews are biased, not at
    all. I think the book (as a whole not the individual reviews contained in
    it) has a bias towards American readers. I could have worded my original
    comment better.
    I enjoyed the book and will be re-reading it. I will not alter my opinion
    though that it definately felt more like an American publication which is
    what it is.

    You are quite right. I'm not going to try and argue that you need to
    know about protecting your food from bears on the Pennine Way :-)

    For anyone who's interested here's a brief history of the book.
    The book was originally written, back in 1991, for a UK publisher, as a
    book designed for Western Europe and North America. The British
    publishers sold it to a US publisher for an American edition and I
    edited out most of the European and British stuff and added some more
    American material for that edition. Sales of the UK edition were slow
    and it went out of print after a couple of years. The US edition did
    better however and the US publishers asked me to write a second edition,
    which came out in 1997. This was available here but only at a high price
    (pound for dollar) and as an import. I did reintroduce some of the
    European/UK material into this edition. In 2002 the publishers asked for
    a third edition, the one that has just come out (they don't count the
    first UK edition). I added a bit more British material to this but it
    still mainly aimed at North America, which is where most of the sales
    are. I was surprised to see the book with a UK price on it - the
    publishers didn't tell me they were doing this. The second edition was
    £19, which I felt was overpriced. This one is £12, and it's bigger.

    Quoted message said:

    Chris' reviews in TGO are the best in my opinion and I will
    never tire of reading them.

    Thank you. That's good to know. It reminds me to keep putting the same
    effort into them too.

    Quoted message said:


    I wish I had not started this thread!

    I'm glad you did.

    I'm surprised at the interest it has generated. I'm also delighted,
    flattered and even a little embarrassed at the positive response from
    most posters. Thanks everybody.

  9. In message <[email hidden]>, Richard Layton
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Errrrmmm. You slightly missed my point.
    I have been reading Chris' reviews since I was about 14 and have allways
    held them in very high regard. I don't think his reviews are biased, not at
    all. I think the book (as a whole not the individual reviews contained in
    it) has a bias towards American readers. I could have worded my original
    comment better.
    I enjoyed the book and will be re-reading it. I will not alter my opinion
    though that it definately felt more like an American publication which is
    what it is. Chris' reviews in TGO are the best in my opinion and I will
    never tire of reading them.

    I wish I had not started this thread!

    But it is not your comments about the American lean that has caused the
    furore: rather the distortion of your comment by someone whose real
    motivation was a personal attack. And the thread(s) have given us the
    opportunity to let Chris know how much he's appreciated on this group.
    Why he puts up with us, I don't know, but long may he do so!

    --
    Michael Farthing
    Aardvark Ltd

  10. Thanks Mr Farthing... I was getting cross for the upset it had caused.

    Rich

    --
    Wales and Borders 15th Century Living History Society
    www.15thcentury.co.uk
    "Michael Farthing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Richard Layton
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Errrrmmm. You slightly missed my point.
    I have been reading Chris' reviews since I was about 14 and have allways
    held them in very high regard. I don't think his reviews are biased, not
    at
    all. I think the book (as a whole not the individual reviews contained in
    it) has a bias towards American readers. I could have worded my original
    comment better.
    I enjoyed the book and will be re-reading it. I will not alter my opinion
    though that it definately felt more like an American publication which is
    what it is. Chris' reviews in TGO are the best in my opinion and I will
    never tire of reading them.

    I wish I had not started this thread!

    But it is not your comments about the American lean that has caused the
    furore: rather the distortion of your comment by someone whose real
    motivation was a personal attack. And the thread(s) have given us the
    opportunity to let Chris know how much he's appreciated on this group. Why
    he puts up with us, I don't know, but long may he do so!

    --
    Michael Farthing
    Aardvark Ltd

  11. Chris Townsend said:

    For anyone who's interested here's a brief history of the book.
    The book was originally written, back in 1991, for a UK publisher, as a
    book designed for Western Europe and North America. The British
    publishers sold it to a US publisher for an American edition and I
    edited out most of the European and British stuff and added some more
    American material for that edition. Sales of the UK edition were slow
    and it went out of print after a couple of years. The US edition did
    better however and the US publishers asked me to write a second edition,
    which came out in 1997. This was available here but only at a high price
    (pound for dollar) and as an import. I did reintroduce some of the
    European/UK material into this edition. In 2002 the publishers asked for
    a third edition, the one that has just come out (they don't count the
    first UK edition). I added a bit more British material to this but it
    still mainly aimed at North America, which is where most of the sales
    are. I was surprised to see the book with a UK price on it - the
    publishers didn't tell me they were doing this. The second edition was
    #19, which I felt was overpriced. This one is #12, and it's bigger.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm surprised at the interest it has generated. I'm also delighted,
    flattered and even a little embarrassed at the positive response from
    most posters. Thanks everybody.

    I just acquired a copy, and spent some time reading over the bits
    which advised about stuff I'm likely to want to buy soon -- in the
    UK. I found most of hte gear mentioned is available in my local
    outdoor shops. The detailed comments on gear, with specific
    explanations of technology and comments on lots of different specific
    equipment make this one of the best books for that purpose.

    I can't understand anyone thinking it's too US-oriented for UK
    readers, unless maybe all they did was flick through the pictures and
    find lots of US mountains. It's a remarkable feature of world
    geography however, that there's a lot of similarity between mountains
    of different nationalities :-) I'm told the same is true of rain and
    snow too :-)

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

  12. Chris Malcolm said:

    geography however, that there's a lot of similarity between mountains
    of different nationalities :-) I'm told the same is true of rain and
    snow too :-)

    You mean someone else gets snow like ours? Hard luck for them, I
    suppose... ;-/

    The presence of much different breeds of the stuff is why I'm spending
    increasing amounts of time in other countries!

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  13. You just said you read only the bits you were interested in.. How can you
    say it's not a bit Americanised from that? I read it all, cover to cover
    including all the bear food bits.... I enjoyed every last page of it. So
    saying I have based my opinion on flicking through the pictures is a tad
    insulting.

    The pictures are great, I would love the oportunity to walk in the States,
    but it looks like we are going to New Zealand in the near future.

    Rich

    --
    Wales and Borders 15th Century Living History Society
    www.15thcentury.co.uk
    "Chris Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris Townsend said:

    For anyone who's interested here's a brief history of the book.
    The book was originally written, back in 1991, for a UK publisher, as a
    book designed for Western Europe and North America. The British
    publishers sold it to a US publisher for an American edition and I
    edited out most of the European and British stuff and added some more
    American material for that edition. Sales of the UK edition were slow
    and it went out of print after a couple of years. The US edition did
    better however and the US publishers asked me to write a second edition,
    which came out in 1997. This was available here but only at a high price
    (pound for dollar) and as an import. I did reintroduce some of the
    European/UK material into this edition. In 2002 the publishers asked for
    a third edition, the one that has just come out (they don't count the
    first UK edition). I added a bit more British material to this but it
    still mainly aimed at North America, which is where most of the sales
    are. I was surprised to see the book with a UK price on it - the
    publishers didn't tell me they were doing this. The second edition was
    #19, which I felt was overpriced. This one is #12, and it's bigger.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm surprised at the interest it has generated. I'm also delighted,
    flattered and even a little embarrassed at the positive response from
    most posters. Thanks everybody.

    I just acquired a copy, and spent some time reading over the bits
    which advised about stuff I'm likely to want to buy soon -- in the
    UK. I found most of hte gear mentioned is available in my local
    outdoor shops. The detailed comments on gear, with specific
    explanations of technology and comments on lots of different specific
    equipment make this one of the best books for that purpose.

    I can't understand anyone thinking it's too US-oriented for UK
    readers, unless maybe all they did was flick through the pictures and
    find lots of US mountains. It's a remarkable feature of world
    geography however, that there's a lot of similarity between mountains
    of different nationalities :-) I'm told the same is true of rain and
    snow too :-)

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

  14. Richard Layton said:

    You just said you read only the bits you were interested in.. How can you
    say it's not a bit Americanised from that?

    He didn't say that. He said:
    Quoted message said:

    I can't understand anyone thinking it's too US-oriented for UK
    readers [...]

    which has a completely different meaning. There's a big difference
    between "a bit Americanised" and "too US-oriented for UK readers".

    Quoted message said:

    I read it all, cover to cover
    including all the bear food bits.... I enjoyed every last page of it. So
    saying I have based my opinion on flicking through the pictures is a tad
    insulting.

    He didn't say that either! In fact, he made no reference at all to
    anyone by name, but it seemed obvious to me that if anything he was
    refering to what REC said: after all, it was REC, not you, who
    referred to:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the unsuitability of most information contained therein to UK sources.

    With respect, there's no point in taking offence at observations which
    were quite clearly not aimed at anything you said.

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

  15. True... I take it back... I suppose having started the thread I feel a bit
    reponsible and touchy about it all.

    Sorry.

    --
    Wales and Borders 15th Century Living History Society
    www.15thcentury.co.uk
    "Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Richard Layton said:

    You just said you read only the bits you were interested in.. How can you
    say it's not a bit Americanised from that?

    He didn't say that. He said:
    Quoted message said:

    I can't understand anyone thinking it's too US-oriented for UK
    readers [...]

    which has a completely different meaning. There's a big difference
    between "a bit Americanised" and "too US-oriented for UK readers".

    Quoted message said:

    I read it all, cover to cover
    including all the bear food bits.... I enjoyed every last page of it. So
    saying I have based my opinion on flicking through the pictures is a tad
    insulting.

    He didn't say that either! In fact, he made no reference at all to
    anyone by name, but it seemed obvious to me that if anything he was
    refering to what REC said: after all, it was REC, not you, who
    referred to:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the unsuitability of most information contained therein to UK sources.

    With respect, there's no point in taking offence at observations which
    were quite clearly not aimed at anything you said.

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

  16. Richard Layton said:

    True... I take it back... I suppose having started the thread I feel a bit
    reponsible and touchy about it all.

    Don't feel responsible - you're not :-) Anyway, Chris said he wasn't
    unhappy about the thread, so there's no need to worry.

    Start another! ;-)

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

  17. Richard Layton said:

    True... I take it back... I suppose having started the thread I feel a bit
    reponsible and touchy about it all.

    Sorry.

    No need to, in all respects. True some idjit had a monkey on his back
    and chose to share his thoughts, but that was nothing to do with you,
    or the fact that you started the thread.

    --
    SteveO

    PPP
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  18. [email hidden] (Chris Malcolm) wrote in news:crm6ij$g4v$1
    @scotsman.ed.ac.uk:

    Quoted message said:

    I just acquired a copy, and spent some time reading over the bits
    which advised about stuff I'm likely to want to buy soon -- in the
    UK. I found most of hte gear mentioned is available in my local
    outdoor shops.

    Delia Townsend doesn't have quite the same ring to it 🙂

    r.e. book, despite being labeled a "slackpacker" 🙂, I've enjoyed what I've
    read so far.

    Just wondering, if possible, when a minor update is due, if publishers
    could do a smaller, rucksack top pocket, friendly version ?. 🙂

    (it has paid off for Ray Mears et al).

    --
    "Whit's fur yi, will no' go by yi"

  19. In message <[email hidden]>, Andrew Moray
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Chris Malcolm) wrote in news:crm6ij$g4v$1
    @scotsman.ed.ac.uk:

    Quoted message said:

    I just acquired a copy, and spent some time reading over the bits
    which advised about stuff I'm likely to want to buy soon -- in the
    UK. I found most of hte gear mentioned is available in my local
    outdoor shops.

    Delia Townsend doesn't have quite the same ring to it 🙂

    Delia? Hm. No, I don't think I'd be happy with Delia.

    Quoted message said:

    r.e. book, despite being labeled a "slackpacker" 🙂, I've enjoyed what I've
    read so far.

    Just wondering, if possible, when a minor update is due, if publishers
    could do a smaller, rucksack top pocket, friendly version ?. 🙂

    There is one already out in fact, called the Backpacker's Pocket Guide,
    weight 164 grams (If it had been my decision I'd have printed it on
    lighter paper, with fewer illustrations and no glossy cover to reduce
    that weight).

    Quoted message said:


    (it has paid off for Ray Mears et al).

    I don't know what Ray Mears did but I did the Pocket Guide for a flat
    fee so the number of sales doesn't make any difference to how much I
    earn, though I guess it helps promote the Handbook.

    Quoted message said:
  20. Chris Townsend <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Andrew Moray
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Chris Malcolm) wrote in news:crm6ij$g4v$1
    @scotsman.ed.ac.uk:

    Quoted message said:

    I just acquired a copy, and spent some time reading over the bits
    which advised about stuff I'm likely to want to buy soon -- in the
    UK. I found most of hte gear mentioned is available in my local
    outdoor shops.

    Delia Townsend doesn't have quite the same ring to it 🙂

    Delia? Hm. No, I don't think I'd be happy with Delia.

    oops, I was referring to the "Delia" effect in supermarkets when her new
    series/books come out, apologies, it was meant as a funny 🙂, and a back
    handed, clumsy as it turns out, compliment regarding your influence on the
    outdoor industry here.

    Apologies if I've offended you, not my intention.

    --
    "Whit's fur yi, will no' go by yi"

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