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Hung Chow calls into work and says "Hey Boss, I not come work today, I
really sick. I got headache, tummy ache and sore leg. I not come work".

The Boss says, "You know Hung Chow, I really need you today. When I feel
like this, I go to my wife and ask her for intercourse. That makes
everything better and I go work. You try that." Two hours later Hung Chow
calls his Boss and says "I do what you say and I feel great. I be at work
soon. You got nice house."

I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I screwed
some sexy young ladies though.
Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Jim

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I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I screwed
some sexy young ladies though.
Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Were the sexy young ladies fellow co-workers or customers?
How is it cult like? Is it like a cult because the followers(employees)
have to all have sex with the leader(you) ?

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I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I
screwed some sexy young ladies though.
Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Were the sexy young ladies fellow co-workers or customers?
How is it cult like? Is it like a cult because the followers(employees)
have to all have sex with the leader(you) ?

It's like a cult in that the people who work there live in state of
delusion, often having wild fantasies, like having sex with sexy young
ladies. Sadly, these are just delusions.

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Hung Chow calls into work and says "Hey Boss, I not come work today, I
really sick. I got headache, tummy ache and sore leg. I not come work".

The Boss says, "You know Hung Chow, I really need you today. When I

feel

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like this, I go to my wife and ask her for intercourse. That makes
everything better and I go work. You try that." Two hours later Hung

Chow

Quoted message said:

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calls his Boss and says "I do what you say and I feel great. I be at

work

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

soon. You got nice house."

I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I

screwed

Quoted message said:

some sexy young ladies though.
Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old oak.
Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.

Downsides of wood:
no way it will match the rest of the floors
susceptible to water damage

Downside of stone/tile:
cold
every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house

Thoughts from a flooring guy?

"Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote

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"Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I
screwed some sexy young ladies though.
Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old oak.
Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.

Downsides of wood:
no way it will match the rest of the floors
susceptible to water damage

Downside of stone/tile:
cold
every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house

Thoughts from a flooring guy?

Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen floors,
and I have oak floors in my current house.

Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would match,
when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have to get
a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they shrink
over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.

I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and really,
really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when you
drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just have to
figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like a...errr...hammer or
metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it wasn't
stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped the
hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the tile.
Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
happening again in a more visible place.

SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned linoleum. I
just had some put in and I LOVE IT.

It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl, and it
went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected to
have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve this).

Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why you
have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion colors
and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing has
stained it yet.

The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it yourself.
Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on the one
that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really dark
colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white color
which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but really
works in the kitchen.

Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot about it
with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak (which
I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more down.

two more cents from
Selene

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"Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote

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"Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I
screwed some sexy young ladies though.
Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old

oak.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.

Downsides of wood:
no way it will match the rest of the floors
susceptible to water damage

Downside of stone/tile:
cold
every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house

Thoughts from a flooring guy?

Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen

floors,

Quoted message said:

and I have oak floors in my current house.

Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would

match,

Quoted message said:

when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have to

get

Quoted message said:

a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they

shrink

Quoted message said:

over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.

I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and really,
really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when you
drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just have

to

Quoted message said:

figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like a...errr...hammer

or

Quoted message said:

metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it wasn't
stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped the
hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the

tile.

Quoted message said:

Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
happening again in a more visible place.

SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned linoleum.

I

Quoted message said:

just had some put in and I LOVE IT.

It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl, and it
went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected to
have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve

this).

Quoted message said:

Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why you
have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion colors
and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing has
stained it yet.

The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it

yourself.

Quoted message said:

Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on the

one

Quoted message said:

that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really dark
colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white

color

Quoted message said:

which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but

really

Quoted message said:

works in the kitchen.

Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot about

it

Quoted message said:

with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak

(which

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I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more

down.

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Ya know - I like that idea. A friend did his in linoleum and besides the
practical issues, it does have a cool retro look. I completely forgot about
that option. He inlaid some bright colors into a real dark, almost charcoal
color. Yeah...linoleum...

Thanks

"Selene" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and really,

really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when you
drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just have

to

Quoted message said:

figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like a...errr...hammer

or

Quoted message said:

metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it wasn't
stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped the
hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the

tile.

Quoted message said:

Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
happening again in a more visible place.

SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned linoleum.

I

Quoted message said:

just had some put in and I LOVE IT.

It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl, and it
went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected to
have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve

this).

Quoted message said:

Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why you
have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion colors
and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing has
stained it yet.

The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it

yourself.

Quoted message said:

Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on the

one

Quoted message said:

that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really dark
colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white

color

Quoted message said:

which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but

really

Quoted message said:

works in the kitchen.

Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot about

it

Quoted message said:

with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak

(which

Quoted message said:

I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more

down.

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two more cents from
Selene

Just to add my $0.02 where it was not asked. I also have done my share of
kitchens and bathrooms, and other rooms. Love wood and tile (as mentioned
each has advantages and disadvantages), and I would rather drop the hammer
or L thingy on my thingy before putting linoleum down. I LOATH that stuff
(vinyl too).
I like tile in the kitchen. You drop something, it's supposed to break. If
it is too cold, buy some damn slippers (bunny style preferred).

--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'😉, but rather 'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

Check out laminate tile flooring. It's the same material as the fake
wood, but you get it in square tiles that don't attempt to look like
wood. It looks great, it's indestructible, it's comfy to walk on and is
much softer to falling crockery. It floats over whatever previous floor
is there so you don't need to do as much prep work as the lino. It
looks quite expensive on a cost/square foot basis, but then you find out
because it's 16" square tiles there's virtually no waste so the total
installed cost is about the same as high quality lino.

Neil

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"Selene" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote

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"Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
> I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I
> screwed some sexy young ladies though.
> Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old

oak.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.

Downsides of wood:
no way it will match the rest of the floors
susceptible to water damage

Downside of stone/tile:
cold
every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house

Thoughts from a flooring guy?

Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen

floors,

Quoted message said:

and I have oak floors in my current house.

Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would

match,

Quoted message said:

when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have to

get

Quoted message said:

a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they

shrink

Quoted message said:

over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.

I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and

really,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just have

to

Quoted message said:

figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like a...errr...hammer

or

Quoted message said:

metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it

wasn't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped the
hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the

tile.

Quoted message said:

Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
happening again in a more visible place.

SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned

linoleum.

Quoted message said:

I

Quoted message said:

just had some put in and I LOVE IT.

It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl, and

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve

this).

Quoted message said:

Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why you
have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion

colors

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing

has

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stained it yet.

The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it

yourself.

Quoted message said:

Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on the

one

Quoted message said:

that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really dark
colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white

color

Quoted message said:

which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but

really

Quoted message said:

works in the kitchen.

Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot

about

Quoted message said:

it

Quoted message said:

with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak

(which

Quoted message said:

I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more

down.

Quoted message said:

Ya know - I like that idea. A friend did his in linoleum and besides the
practical issues, it does have a cool retro look. I completely forgot

about

Quoted message said:

that option. He inlaid some bright colors into a real dark, almost

charcoal

Quoted message said:

color. Yeah...linoleum...

Thanks

Enouigh about floor coverings already. Does anyone know anything about
kitchen countertops or benchtops?

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Hung Chow calls into work and says "Hey Boss, I not come work today, I
really sick. I got headache, tummy ache and sore leg. I not come
work".

The Boss says, "You know Hung Chow, I really need you today. When I

feel

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

like this, I go to my wife and ask her for intercourse. That makes
everything better and I go work. You try that." Two hours later Hung

Chow

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

calls his Boss and says "I do what you say and I feel great. I be at

work

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

soon. You got nice house."

I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I

screwed

Quoted message said:

some sexy young ladies though.
Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old oak.
Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.

Downsides of wood:
no way it will match the rest of the floors
susceptible to water damage

Downside of stone/tile:
cold
every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house

Thoughts from a flooring guy?

Easy..always go with tile..its cleaner..cleans easier and looks and lasts
better. Put some throw rugs down if you like.

Jim

"Neil Gendzwill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Check out laminate tile flooring. It's the same material as the fake
wood, but you get it in square tiles that don't attempt to look like wood.
It looks great, it's indestructible, it's comfy to walk on and is much
softer to falling crockery. It floats over whatever previous floor is
there so you don't need to do as much prep work as the lino. It looks
quite expensive on a cost/square foot basis, but then you find out because
it's 16" square tiles there's virtually no waste so the total installed
cost is about the same as high quality lino.

Neil

Yep, Pergo is good. I still prefer tile for kitchen and bath areas.

Jim

"Selene" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote

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"Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I
screwed some sexy young ladies though.
Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old oak.
Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.

Downsides of wood:
no way it will match the rest of the floors
susceptible to water damage

Downside of stone/tile:
cold
every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house

Thoughts from a flooring guy?

Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen
floors,
and I have oak floors in my current house.

Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would
match,
when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have to
get
a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they
shrink
over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.

I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and really,
really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when you
drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just have
to
figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like a...errr...hammer
or
metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it wasn't
stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped the
hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the
tile.
Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
happening again in a more visible place.

SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned linoleum.
I
just had some put in and I LOVE IT.

It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl, and it
went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected to
have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve
this).

Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why you
have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion colors
and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing has
stained it yet.

The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it
yourself.
Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on the
one
that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really dark
colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white
color
which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but
really
works in the kitchen.

Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot about
it
with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak
(which
I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more
down.

two more cents from
Selene

Im drunk and confused by your post. As much as I love flooring..I could
never have a relationship with you.

Jim

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"Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote

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"Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I
screwed some sexy young ladies though.
Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old oak.
Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.

Downsides of wood:
no way it will match the rest of the floors
susceptible to water damage

Downside of stone/tile:
cold
every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house

Thoughts from a flooring guy?

Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen
floors,
and I have oak floors in my current house.

Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would
match,
when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have to
get
a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they
shrink
over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.

I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and really,
really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when you
drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just have
to
figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like a...errr...hammer
or
metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it wasn't
stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped the
hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the
tile.
Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
happening again in a more visible place.

SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned linoleum.
I
just had some put in and I LOVE IT.

It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl, and it
went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected to
have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve
this).

Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why you
have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion colors
and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing has
stained it yet.

The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it
yourself.
Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on the
one
that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really dark
colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white
color
which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but
really
works in the kitchen.

Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot about
it
with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak
(which
I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more
down.

two more cents from
Selene

Linoleum is making a comeback of sorts. One other drawback is a tendency for
the colors to fade from UV exposure. Probably not a problem in a normal
kitchen layout.

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"Selene" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote

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"Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
> I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I
> screwed some sexy young ladies though.
> Ask me anything about flooring..lol

Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old
oak.
Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.

Downsides of wood:
no way it will match the rest of the floors
susceptible to water damage

Downside of stone/tile:
cold
every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house

Thoughts from a flooring guy?

Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen
floors,
and I have oak floors in my current house.

Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would
match,
when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have to
get
a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they
shrink
over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.

I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and really,
really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when you
drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just have
to
figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like a...errr...hammer
or
metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it
wasn't
stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped the
hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the
tile.
Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
happening again in a more visible place.

SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned linoleum.
I
just had some put in and I LOVE IT.

It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl, and
it
went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected to
have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve
this).

Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why you
have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion
colors
and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing has
stained it yet.

The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it
yourself.
Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on the
one
that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really dark
colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white
color
which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but
really
works in the kitchen.

Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot about
it
with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak
(which
I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more
down.

two more cents from
Selene

Linoleum is making a comeback of sorts. One other drawback is a tendency
for the colors to fade from UV exposure. Probably not a problem in a
normal kitchen layout.

No such thing as linoleum...its called vinyl flooring. 😉

Jim

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> >
> > I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult.
> > I
> > screwed some sexy young ladies though.
> > Ask me anything about flooring..lol
>
> Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old

oak.

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> Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.
>
> Downsides of wood:
> no way it will match the rest of the floors
> susceptible to water damage
>
> Downside of stone/tile:
> cold
> every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
> backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house
>
> Thoughts from a flooring guy?
>

Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen

floors,

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and I have oak floors in my current house.

Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would

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when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have
to

get

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a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they

shrink

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over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.

I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and

really,

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really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when

you

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drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just
have

to

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figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like
a...errr...hammer

or

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metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it

wasn't

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stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped
the
hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the

tile.

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Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
happening again in a more visible place.

SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned

linoleum.

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I

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just had some put in and I LOVE IT.

It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl, and

it

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went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected

to

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have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve

this).

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Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why
you
have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion

colors

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and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing

has

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stained it yet.

The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it

yourself.

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Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on the

one

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that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really
dark
colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white

color

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which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but

really

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works in the kitchen.

Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot

about

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it

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with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak

(which

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I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more

down.

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Ya know - I like that idea. A friend did his in linoleum and besides the
practical issues, it does have a cool retro look. I completely forgot

about

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that option. He inlaid some bright colors into a real dark, almost

charcoal

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color. Yeah...linoleum...

Thanks

Enouigh about floor coverings already. Does anyone know anything about
kitchen countertops or benchtops?

Sure..got alot of money..Corian is good.. My [censored] dad spent 10,000
dollars for his kitchen countertop.

Jim

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> > "Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > >
> > > I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult.
> > > I
> > > screwed some sexy young ladies though.
> > > Ask me anything about flooring..lol
> >
> > Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year

old

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oak.
> > Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.
> >
> > Downsides of wood:
> > no way it will match the rest of the floors
> > susceptible to water damage
> >
> > Downside of stone/tile:
> > cold
> > every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
> > backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house
> >
> > Thoughts from a flooring guy?
> >
>
> Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen
floors,
> and I have oak floors in my current house.
>
> Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would
match,
> when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have
> to
get
> a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they
shrink
> over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.
>
> I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and

really,

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> really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when

you

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> drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just
> have
to
> figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
> Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like
> a...errr...hammer
or
> metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it

wasn't

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> stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped
> the
> hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in

the

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tile.
> Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
> happening again in a more visible place.
>
> SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned

linoleum.

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I
> just had some put in and I LOVE IT.
>
> It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl,

and

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it

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> went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I

elected

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to

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> have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve
this).
>
> Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why
> you
> have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion

colors

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> and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing

has

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> stained it yet.
>
> The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
> comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it
yourself.
> Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on

the

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one
> that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really
> dark
> colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white
color
> which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but
really
> works in the kitchen.
>
> Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot

about

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it
> with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak
(which
> I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more
down.
>

Ya know - I like that idea. A friend did his in linoleum and besides

the

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practical issues, it does have a cool retro look. I completely forgot

about

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that option. He inlaid some bright colors into a real dark, almost

charcoal

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color. Yeah...linoleum...

Thanks

Enouigh about floor coverings already. Does anyone know anything about
kitchen countertops or benchtops?

Sure..got alot of money..Corian is good.. My [censored] dad spent 10,000
dollars for his kitchen countertop.

Jim

Yes Corian is good stuff - that is very similar to what I am looking at
now - it is an acrylic composite (granite is so boring these days it is so
common - all the same sort of colours) - I saw an amazing composite that is
pure white with some specs in it - but the prices are hellish

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"Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote
> "Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote
> >
> > I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult. I
> > screwed some sexy young ladies though.
> > Ask me anything about flooring..lol
>
> Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old
> oak.
> Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.
>
> Downsides of wood:
> no way it will match the rest of the floors
> susceptible to water damage
>
> Downside of stone/tile:
> cold
> every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
> backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house
>
> Thoughts from a flooring guy?
>

Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen
floors,
and I have oak floors in my current house.

Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would
match,
when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have to
get
a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they
shrink
over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.

I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and
really,
really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when
you
drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just have
to
figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like a...errr...hammer
or
metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it
wasn't
stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped the
hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the
tile.
Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
happening again in a more visible place.

SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned
linoleum. I
just had some put in and I LOVE IT.

It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl, and
it
went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected
to
have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve
this).

Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why you
have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion
colors
and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing
has
stained it yet.

The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it
yourself.
Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on the
one
that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really dark
colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white
color
which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but
really
works in the kitchen.

Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot
about it
with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak
(which
I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more
down.

two more cents from
Selene

Linoleum is making a comeback of sorts. One other drawback is a tendency
for the colors to fade from UV exposure. Probably not a problem in a
normal kitchen layout.

No such thing as linoleum...its called vinyl flooring. 😉

Jim

No, it's real linoleum and there is no vinyl in it. Marmoleum is the brand
name IIRC.

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> "Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote
>> "Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> >
>> > I was a manager at Home Depot for 3 years. That place is a cult.

I

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>> > screwed some sexy young ladies though.
>> > Ask me anything about flooring..lol
>>
>> Okay...kitchen redo, floors on the rest of 1st floor are 70 year old
>> oak.
>> Considering hardwood or tile/stone for kitchen floor.
>>
>> Downsides of wood:
>> no way it will match the rest of the floors
>> susceptible to water damage
>>
>> Downside of stone/tile:
>> cold
>> every time a glass is dropped it explodes into a billion shards
>> backer board + tile makes for a hefty step up from rest of house
>>
>> Thoughts from a flooring guy?
>>
>
> Hey, Jim - I'm not a "flooring guy" but I have redone a few kitchen
> floors,
> and I have oak floors in my current house.
>
> Yes, you don't want wood in the kitchen. Since I knew nothing would
> match,
> when I started looking for my current kitchen, I figured I would have

to

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> get
> a totally different material. I considered cork and bamboo, but they
> shrink
> over time - not good in the kitchen. Water is an issue, too.
>
> I put a tile floor in my last kitchen and while it was lovely and
> really,
> really easy to clean, you're right - you never have to wonder if when
> you
> drop an egg or bowl or glass whether it's going to break. You just

have

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> to
> figure out how high to jump to avoid the shards.
> Another downside: if you drop something heavier, like

a...errr...hammer

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> or
> metal L-square, you could chip the tile. I had some tough tile (it
> wasn't
> stone or porcelain, but wasn't red mexican brick either) and dropped

the

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> hammer and L-square-thingy together, and both put a little chip in the
> tile.
> Fortunately it was behind the stove, but over time, I could see this
> happening again in a more visible place.
>
> SO, that said, what's the answer? I recommend the old-fashioned
> linoleum. I
> just had some put in and I LOVE IT.
>
> It has a wonderful soft velvety feel to it, much warmer than vinyl,

and

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> it
> went in at the very same height as the oak floor it abuts. (I elected
> to
> have to have the umpteen layers of existing vinyl removed to achieve
> this).
>
> Stuff doesn't break when dropped (okay, an egg might, but that's why

you

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> have dogs :-), it's a renewable resource, and there are a kajillion
> colors
> and a few patterns to choose from. It cleans really well and nothing
> has
> stained it yet.
>
> The downside is that it is more expensive than vinyl (but probably
> comparable to stone or wood) and I don't think you can install it
> yourself.
> Because of all the colors, it does take a little while to settle on

the

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> one
> that will work in your house. But a friend of mine got some really

dark

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> colors and they look cool. I got a lighter, more mixed orangey-white
> color
> which looked totally wild (like too wild) in the showroom sample, but
> really
> works in the kitchen.
>
> Anyway, just thought I'd pitch the material. People sort of forgot
> about it
> with the advent of vinyl, but I really like it. If I didn't have oak
> (which
> I also love) or newer vinyl everywhere else I'd consider putting more
> down.
>
> two more cents from
> Selene
>
Linoleum is making a comeback of sorts. One other drawback is a

tendency

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for the colors to fade from UV exposure. Probably not a problem in a
normal kitchen layout.

No such thing as linoleum...its called vinyl flooring. 😉

Jim

No, it's real linoleum and there is no vinyl in it. Marmoleum is the brand
name IIRC.

Yeah, it's a combo of linseed oil, wood flour and pigment boded to a canvas
type backing. Completely different animal than vinyl. I think it's actually
ok with UV light. From what i read, the absence of light can cause the
linseed oil to 'bloom' on the surface and yellow the lino (under the frig,
range, etc.) But this goes away with exposure to natural light.

Jim, you Home Depot philistine

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kitchen countertops or benchtops?

I put porcelain tile on my kitchen countertop and I am totally sold on it.
We used 12" squares which were a little tricky to install, but they look
fantastic. I got some fancy tile from Italy that looks kind of like a
natural material - it's all swirly cream, blue, and grey.

Corian and the like require too much maintenance IMO. The tile I can knead
bread on, chop on (if I were inclined - I prefer to protect my knives more)
and best of all, place any old pan from the oven or stove on. It's a bit
cold where I live, so I often preheat plates before serving dinner. If I
forget how long the plate has been in the oven, I don't have to worry, I
just set it on the counter, put the pan next to it, and serve up. I never
run out of space for hot cookie sheets. I can make a complicated dinner
with loads of pans, and just store them whereever I need them without worry
for a hot pad.

It also makes a great, even heat-sink for defrosting food. The tile can
absorb a lot of cold defrosting the whatever.

Once you've gone tile, you'll never go back....or something like that :-)

Selene
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