Child cancer rates 'increasing'

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As long as the world fights over borders, politics,
religion, money and greed do you think the earth will be the
focus of pollution reduction? And as long as fast food
places serve children it will continue. High fat diets will
kill more people all the time.

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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for cancer research over the past 90 years, to stamp
out cancer? Cancer is increasing and I have never heard of
an incidence of curing cancer by traditional Western
medicine. Cutting out an infected organ is not a cure, its
mutilation. Chemotherapy and radiation is another form of
mutilation and unless lifestyle changes are made by the
patient, cancer will eventually return. Alternative ways can
and dso cure cancer by removing the cause and creating an
environment in the body in which cancer can not live. Cancer
can not survive in an oxygenated environment. Like
chemotherapy, organic germanium kills cancer cells. Unlike
chemotherapy, organic germanium doesn't kill healthy cells
and poision the body.

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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for cancer research over the past 90 years, to
stamp out cancer? Cancer is increasing and I have never
heard of an incidence of curing cancer by traditional
Western medicine.

That's what happens when you bury your head in the sand
while pounding spam up your ass, Spammin' Dave. Cancer is
quite frequently cured as documented by Orac, Peter
Moran, et al.

BTW, no MLM products cure or heal cancer, no matter how much
Spammin' Dave wants you to believe.

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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for cancer research over the past 90 years, to
stamp out cancer? Cancer is

increasing

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and I have never heard of an incidence of curing cancer
by traditional Western medicine.

That's what happens when you bury your head in the sand
while pounding

spam up

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your ass, Spammin' Dave. Cancer is quite frequently cured
as documented

by

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Orac, Peter Moran, et al.

Really? Anybody who might believe you (?) should simply go
to google.cagoogle.caOpen ↗ and search on "cancer cure".

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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for cancer research over the past 90 years, to
stamp out cancer? Cancer is

increasing

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and I have never heard of an incidence of curing cancer
by traditional Western medicine.

That's what happens when you bury your head in the sand
while pounding

spam up

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your ass, Spammin' Dave. Cancer is quite frequently cured
as documented

by

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Orac, Peter Moran, et al.

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;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; BTW, no MLM products cure or
heal cancer, no matter how much Spammin' Dave wants you to
believe.

Well , shoot that's gonna come as a surprise to people I
know who have cured themselves of cancer !!. LOL Do you get
your obsession with the anus from constantly looking at
yourself in the mirror ?
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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for

cancer

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research over the past 90 years, to stamp out cancer?
Cancer is

increasing

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and I have never heard of an incidence of curing cancer
by traditional Western medicine.

That's what happens when you bury your head in the sand
while pounding

spam up

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your ass, Spammin' Dave. Cancer is quite frequently
cured as documented

by

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Orac, Peter Moran, et al.

Really? Anybody who might believe you (?) should simply go
to google.cagoogle.caOpen ↗ and search on "cancer cure".

Like this one?

ftc.govwalker.htmOpen ↗

Spammin Dave, you sure do know how to remain clueless.

Purely anecdotal, of course, but my friend Tom is cured of
colon cancer. He had it seven years ago, had surgery
followed by chemo, and is doing just great.

Thus, your original claim is wrong.

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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for

cancer

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research over the past 90 years, to stamp out cancer?
Cancer is

increasing

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and I have never heard of an incidence of curing cancer
by traditional Western medicine.

That's what happens when you bury your head in the sand
while pounding

spam up

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your ass, Spammin' Dave. Cancer is quite frequently
cured as documented

by

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Orac, Peter Moran, et al.

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;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; BTW, no MLM products cure or
heal cancer, no matter how much Spammin'

Dave

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wants you to believe.

Well , shoot that's gonna come as a surprise to people I
know who have

cured

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themselves of cancer !!. LOL Do you get your obsession
with the anus from constantly looking at

yourself

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in the mirror ?

Nah. We know that the anus is the way some, like you,
provide information.

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Subject: Child cancer rates 'increasing'
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 4/14/04 12:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

I find this comment in the article curious:

Diet, radioactivity or exposure to chemical pollutants have
been suggested as possible factors in the development of
children's cancer, but as yet there is little evidence to
support the theories.

Why is it we ignore diet, but use radiation and exposure to
deadly, carcingenic chemicals as a treatment and then claim
better success than some years ago?

Something is wrong with this picture.

DrC PhD

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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for cancer research over the past 90 years, to
stamp out cancer? Cancer is increasing and I have never
heard of an incidence of curing cancer by traditional
Western medicine.

Really? Tell that to many patients who've been cured of
breast and colon cancer through a combination of surgery,
chemotherapy, and/or radiation.

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Cutting out an infected organ is not a cure, its
mutilation. Chemotherapy and radiation is another form of
mutilation and unless lifestyle changes are made by the
patient, cancer will eventually return. Alternative ways
can and dso cure cancer by removing the cause and creating
an environment in the body in which cancer can not live.

Do you have any objective evidence to support this
assertion, spammin' Dave?

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Cancer can not survive in an oxygenated environment.

[censored], plain and simple. Cancer cells do just fine in an
oxygenated environment.

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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

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>
>How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
>dollars for

cancer

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>research over the past 90 years, to stamp out cancer?
>Cancer is

increasing

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>and I have never heard of an incidence of curing
>cancer by

traditional

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>Western medicine.

That's what happens when you bury your head in the
sand while pounding

spam up

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your ass, Spammin' Dave. Cancer is quite frequently
cured as

documented

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by

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Orac, Peter Moran, et al.

Really? Anybody who might believe you (?) should simply
go to google.cagoogle.caOpen ↗ and search on "cancer cure".

Like this one?

ftc.govwalker.htmOpen ↗

Spammin Dave, you sure do know how to remain clueless.

Purely anecdotal, of course, but my friend Tom is cured of
colon cancer.

He

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had it seven years ago, had surgery followed by chemo, and
is doing just great.

Thus, your original claim is wrong.

Purely anecdotal, highly improbable so you continue to say
anything that is convenient.

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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for cancer research over the past 90 years, to
stamp out cancer? Cancer is increasing and I have never
heard of an incidence of curing cancer by traditional
Western medicine.

That's because you're a complete cretin, Spammin' Dave.

Tell all the zillions of people who had their skin cancers
removed (and never had a recurrence, which is most of them)
that they weren't cured.

All the kids with childhood leukemias who were cured
by chemo, not by some spamming jerkoff peddling
ginseng, likewise.

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Cutting out an infected organ is not a cure, its
mutilation.

It's a cure if you can get along fine without it. How do you
feel about appendectomies?

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Chemotherapy and radiation is another form of mutilation
and unless lifestyle changes are made by the patient,
cancer will eventually return.

Sez you. On zero evidence.

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Alternative ways can and dso cure cancer

Sure they do.

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Like chemotherapy, organic germanium kills cancer cells.
Unlike chemotherapy, organic germanium doesn't kill healthy
cells and poision the body.

Germanium can and does poison the body.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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> >
> >How would you rationalize the raising of trillions
> >of dollars for

cancer

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> >research over the past 90 years, to stamp out
> >cancer? Cancer is
increasing
> >and I have never heard of an incidence of curing
> >cancer by

traditional

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> >Western medicine.
>
> That's what happens when you bury your head in the
> sand while

pounding

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spam up
> your ass, Spammin' Dave. Cancer is quite frequently
> cured as

documented

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by
> Orac, Peter Moran, et al.

Really? Anybody who might believe you (?) should
simply go to google.cagoogle.caOpen ↗ and search on
"cancer cure".

Like this one?

ftc.govwalker.htmOpen ↗

Spammin Dave, you sure do know how to remain clueless.

Purely anecdotal, of course, but my friend Tom is cured
of colon cancer.

He

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had it seven years ago, had surgery followed by chemo,
and is doing just great.

Thus, your original claim is wrong.

Purely anecdotal, highly improbable so you continue to say
anything that

is

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convenient.

You seem to thrive on anecdotal information, so I stooped to
your level so you could possibly get the point. Sad that you
choose to remain clueless.

BTW, I know of another cancer cure. Rebut this,
ginseng breath:

Lance Armstrong.

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Subject: Re: Child cancer rates 'increasing' From: Orac
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Really? Tell that to many patients who've been cured of
breast and colon cancer through a combination of surgery,
chemotherapy, and/or radiation.

Well, modern quackery must be able to quote some success
or the victims would stop coming in.

You can shoot a human with a 9mm multiple times at close
range and...damn some will survive. Same with your cancer
treatments.

So you're contradicting yourself and admitting that
conventional therapies do cure some cancer patients?

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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for cancer research over the past 90 years, to
stamp out cancer? Cancer is

increasing

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and I have never heard of an incidence of curing cancer
by traditional Western medicine.

Really? Tell that to many patients who've been cured of
breast and colon cancer through a combination of surgery,
chemotherapy, and/or radiation.

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Cutting out an infected organ is not a cure, its
mutilation.

Chemotherapy

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and radiation is another form of mutilation and unless
lifestyle changes

are

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made by the patient, cancer will eventually return.
Alternative ways can

and

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dso cure cancer by removing the cause and creating an
environment in the body in which cancer can not live.

Do you have any objective evidence to support this
assertion, spammin' Dave?

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Cancer can not survive in an oxygenated environment.

[censored], plain and simple. Cancer cells do just fine in
an oxygenated environment.

You don't know whereof you speak. If you actually believe
that to be so, show us any proof that cancer can live in an
oxygenated environment.

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How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
dollars for cancer research over the past 90 years, to
stamp out cancer? Cancer is

increasing

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and I have never heard of an incidence of curing cancer
by traditional Western medicine.

Really? Tell that to many patients who've been cured of
breast and colon cancer through a combination of surgery,
chemotherapy, and/or radiation.

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Cutting out an infected organ is not a cure, its
mutilation.

Chemotherapy

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and radiation is another form of mutilation and unless
lifestyle changes

are

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made by the patient, cancer will eventually return.
Alternative ways can

and

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Quoted message said:

dso cure cancer by removing the cause and creating an
environment in the body in which cancer can not live.

Do you have any objective evidence to support this
assertion, spammin' Dave?

Quoted message said:

Cancer can not survive in an oxygenated environment.

[censored], plain and simple. Cancer cells do just fine in
an oxygenated environment.

You don't know whereof you speak. If you actually believe
that to be so, show us any proof that cancer can live in
an oxygenated environment.

I would submit that the opposite is true, that cancer, which
are cells similiar to other human cells, cannot exist in a
non-oxygenated environment. Not a cure, unfortunately.

j.

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Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Cancer can not survive in an oxygenated environment.

[censored], plain and simple. Cancer cells do just fine in
an oxygenated environment.

You don't know whereof you speak. If you actually believe
that to be so, show us any proof that cancer can live in
an oxygenated environment.

Can you really be so ignorant? I guess you can. In any case,
for one thing, cancer cells seem to go well out of their way
to secret proangiogenic factors (factors that induce the
growth of blood vessels into the tumor mass). If they could
live in a nonoxygenated environment, they certainly wouldn't
need to do that, and if oxygen harmed them secreting such
factors would be most counterproductive. In fact, such
behavior, coupled with the observation that tumors that have
not developed the ability to secrete proangiogenic factors
do not grow larger in radius than the diffusion distance of
oxygen, tells us that not only do tumors grow in oxygenated
evironments, but that they NEED oxygen to grow. Another
thing that tells us this is that often tumor masses are
necrotic (dead) in the center, where their blood supply is
tenuous and measurements of oxygen tension demonstrate
markedly low levels of oxygen, and that actively growing
tumor cells are only found on the periphery of the tumor,
where the blood supply is good and oxygen tension is high.

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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

Very true, a quick google on angiogenesis will solve that
issue. Cancer cells do undergo respiration (i.e. they need
oxygen to survive) , if they did not they wouldn't be alive!
Also in a tumour the outside of the cancer (where the most
blood supply is) is very active, within is a generally dead
- usually necrotic mass. Anth

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>How would you rationalize the raising of trillions of
>dollars for

cancer

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>research over the past 90 years, to stamp out cancer?
>Cancer is

increasing

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>and I have never heard of an incidence of curing cancer
>by traditional Western medicine.

Really? Tell that to many patients who've been cured of
breast and colon cancer through a combination of
surgery, chemotherapy, and/or radiation.

>Cutting out an infected organ is not a cure, its
>mutilation.

Chemotherapy

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>and radiation is another form of mutilation and unless
>lifestyle

changes

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are

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>made by the patient, cancer will eventually return.
>Alternative ways

can

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and

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>dso cure cancer by removing the cause and creating an
>environment in

the

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>body in which cancer can not live.

Do you have any objective evidence to support this
assertion, spammin' Dave?

>Cancer can not survive in an oxygenated environment.

[censored], plain and simple. Cancer cells do just fine in
an oxygenated environment.

You don't know whereof you speak. If you actually
believe that to be so, show us any proof that cancer can
live in an oxygenated environment.

I would submit that the opposite is true, that cancer,
which are cells similiar to other human cells, cannot
exist in a non-oxygenated environment. Not a cure,
unfortunately.

j.

Orac said:

So you're contradicting yourself and admitting that
conventional therapies do cure some cancer patients?

Depends on the definition of "cure"... ;^]

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Something is wrong with this picture.

Yep, it's hung on the wall upside-down and backwards. Can we
still call it "art"? ;^]

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_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

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