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  1. Quoted message said:

    From yesterday's Chicago Tribune:

    Chicago bicyclists, Mayor Daley knows your pain.

    The mayor introduced an ordinance Wednesday that would slap fines
    ranging from $150 to $500 on motorists who turn left or right in front
    of someone on a bicycle; pass with less than three feet of space
    between car and bike; and open a vehicle door into the path of a
    cyclist.

    Daley, an avid rider, said he personally has been involved in unhappy
    encounters with motorists, providing them with "a few choice words"
    and "salutes" that he said were delivered "in the Chicago way."

    couldn't, wouldn't happen in Australia

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  2. barry taylor said:
    Quoted message said:

    From yesterday's Chicago Tribune:

    Chicago bicyclists, Mayor Daley knows your pain.

    The mayor introduced an ordinance Wednesday that would slap fines
    ranging from $150 to $500 on motorists who turn left or right in front
    of someone on a bicycle; pass with less than three feet of space
    between car and bike; and open a vehicle door into the path of a
    cyclist.

    Daley, an avid rider, said he personally has been involved in unhappy
    encounters with motorists, providing them with "a few choice words"
    and "salutes" that he said were delivered "in the Chicago way."

    couldn't, wouldn't happen in Australia


    Its in place here.

    You can't open a door into the path of another vehicle in australia
    anyway, besides other bits are road rules.

  3. barry taylor said:
    Quoted message said:

    From yesterday's Chicago Tribune:

    Chicago bicyclists, Mayor Daley knows your pain.

    The mayor introduced an ordinance Wednesday that would slap fines
    ranging from $150 to $500 on motorists who turn left or right in front
    of someone on a bicycle; pass with less than three feet of space
    between car and bike; and open a vehicle door into the path of a
    cyclist.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Daley, an avid rider, said he personally has been involved in unhappy
    encounters with motorists, providing them with "a few choice words"
    and "salutes" that he said were delivered "in the Chicago way."

    couldn't, wouldn't happen in Australia

    We don't need to pass laws for the three things mentioned above, all
    three are *already* against the law in Australia.

    However, as for *observing* the law and *enforcing* the law, well that's
    two different things...

    Adrain

  4. barry taylor said:

    > From yesterday's Chicago Tribune:

    Quoted message said:


    Chicago bicyclists, Mayor Daley knows your pain.


    Linkie to article: Bike-riding Daley provides 'Chicago way salutes' to offending drivers
    newsblogs.chicagotribune.combike riding dal.html

    And a comparison piece on Streetsblog about Chicago & LA,

    Tale of Two Cities: Bicycling in Chicago and Los Angeles
    streetsblog.orgtale of two cities bicycling in chicago and los angeles


  5. Quoted message said:

    We don't need to pass laws for the three things mentioned above, all
    three are *already* against the law in Australia.

    However, as for *observing* the law and *enforcing* the law, well that's
    two different things...

    Adrain

    Good Point!
    Eveyone knows of someone or possibly themselves has been fined for an
    offence in a car, but has anyone ever heard of a motorist actually being
    pulled over and fined for passing a cyclist too close?
    I'm not talking about motorist fined after hitting a cyclists but just for
    passing too close.
    After all it is the law. Apparently.

    JoeDe

  6. JoeDe said:

    Good Point!
    Eveyone knows of someone or possibly themselves has been fined for an
    offence in a car, but has anyone ever heard of a motorist actually being
    pulled over and fined for passing a cyclist too close?
    I'm not talking about motorist fined after hitting a cyclists but just for
    passing too close.
    After all it is the law. Apparently.

    Actually, no. At least not in the Victorian Road Rules
    http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/363A6DB7-86A0-4411-AD67-D8974A20832D/0/part_11.pdf

    "Rule 144 A driver overtaking a vehicle-
    a) must pass the vehicle at a sufficient distance to avoid a collision with
    the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle; and
    b) must not return to the marked lane or line of traffic where the vehicle
    is travelling until the driver is a sufficient distance past the vehicle to
    avoid a collision with the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle"

    No mention of a 1 metre space in the road rules that I could find. This is a
    recommendation I believe, and would be impossible to enforce, without a
    camera on every car!

    However the rules on double lines in the country - now there's a law that
    95% of drivers break when overtaking cyclists. Very easy to enforce with
    police presence! Interesting too that drivers changing lanes (ie. overtaking
    a cyclist on a multilane road) are required to change lanes fully - none of
    this moving out half a lane to cut by a cyclist.

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    Peter

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