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  1. Can somebody please point me in the right direction for serving a
    cheese course.

    1) In this scenario a hard cheese and a soft cheese is on a cheese
    board in the middle of the table. What flatware should be included
    with the serving board?

    2) Suppose I am serving a hard cheese. Does each plate include a
    cheese knife like this?
    http://www.arthurprice.com/images/cheeseknife-p.jpg
    If each plate requires one then is it placed closest to the plate on
    the left side?

    3) If I am serving a soft cheese what is required for each plate? I
    assume it is something like a butter spreader. Can one use the butter
    spreader or do we have to have a cheese spreader? Where is this
    cheese spreader placed on a table setting?

    Any other information appreciated. Thanks.

  2. "Jonathan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Can somebody please point me in the right direction for serving a
    cheese course.

    1) In this scenario a hard cheese and a soft cheese is on a cheese
    board in the middle of the table. What flatware should be included
    with the serving board?

    2) Suppose I am serving a hard cheese. Does each plate include a
    cheese knife like this?
    http://www.arthurprice.com/images/cheeseknife-p.jpg
    If each plate requires one then is it placed closest to the plate on
    the left side?

    3) If I am serving a soft cheese what is required for each plate? I
    assume it is something like a butter spreader. Can one use the butter
    spreader or do we have to have a cheese spreader? Where is this
    cheese spreader placed on a table setting?

    Any other information appreciated. Thanks.

    Well I am in UK so it might be different for you. The cheese knife that
    you show is on the cheese plate with the cheese. The person will cut
    the cheese he/she requires and transfers it to his/her own plate with
    the cheese knife. The knife by each plate.. a small butter knife will
    be on the right of the plate

    HTH

    Ophelia

  3. On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:37:54 GMT, "Ophelia" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Well I am in UK so it might be different for you. The cheese knife that
    you show is on the cheese plate with the cheese. The person will cut
    the cheese he/she requires and transfers it to his/her own plate with
    the cheese knife. The knife by each plate.. a small butter knife will
    be on the right of the plate

    Thanks. That makes it a bit clearer. So the knife I showed is
    actually a server cheese knife which begs the question, once the
    person puts the cheese on his/her plate then what do they use to eat
    the hard cheeses?

    If I understand you right then the butter knife is used for soft
    cheeses or is there a separate cheese spreader knife?

  4. "Jonathan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:37:54 GMT, "Ophelia" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Well I am in UK so it might be different for you. The cheese knife that
    you show is on the cheese plate with the cheese. The person will cut
    the cheese he/she requires and transfers it to his/her own plate with
    the cheese knife. The knife by each plate.. a small butter knife will
    be on the right of the plate

    Thanks. That makes it a bit clearer. So the knife I showed is
    actually a server cheese knife which begs the question, once the
    person puts the cheese on his/her plate then what do they use to eat
    the hard cheeses?

    The knife you pictured is not for hard cheese. Hard cheeses use a "pie
    server" shaped utensil that shaves the cheese. The one you pictured is for
    semi-hard (medium) cheese. Soft cheeses may benefit from a cheese scoop.
    Each cheese presented should have it's own knife. Each diner should have
    his/her own knife.

    Cheeses are usually served with desserts and each guest is allowed to choose
    between them. One either has the cheese or the dessert. The plates used
    would be the same unless a dessert requires a large dish. In that case, the
    large dishes would be en place too. Utensils would be available at each
    place setting for all combinations of uses. This includes a dessert spoon
    (large), fork and knife as well as proper fruit eating utensils if fruits
    are also served.

    Quoted message said:

    If I understand you right then the butter knife is used for soft
    cheeses or is there a separate cheese spreader knife?

    The butter knife should remain on or near the butter dish. Each place
    setting should include a dinner knife even at the cheese/dessert course. But
    this thing about spreading! Spreading cheese? Heaven forefend!

    Charlie, all IMO of course

  5. Jonathan wrote on 05 Sep 2005 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    If I understand you right then the butter knife is used for soft
    cheeses or is there a separate cheese spreader knife?

    The cheese is usually eaten with something...an assortment of crackers,
    biscuts or breads.

    Or eaten with the fingers, toothpicks or forks...(sweet)Fruit such as
    grapes or pineapple can also be served. In fact a nice cheese and fruit
    plate is a delight.

    --
    The eyes are the mirrors....
    But the ears...Ah the ears.
    The ears keep the hat up.

  6. Jonathan said:

    Can somebody please point me in the right direction for serving a
    cheese course.

    1) In this scenario a hard cheese and a soft cheese is on a cheese
    board in the middle of the table. What flatware should be included
    with the serving board?


    I hope this is a small table seating 2 to 4 people (max).

    Quoted message said:


    2) Suppose I am serving a hard cheese. Does each plate include a
    cheese knife like this?

    No.

    http://www.taunton.com/finecooking/pages/c00184.asp

    You don't need special knives for a cheese course. While cheese knives
    with a variety of blades and decorative handles are available, you
    probably have what you need in your kitchen drawers. You'll want to
    provide a small knife for each cheese with a different texture -- a
    sharp knife for semihard or hard cheeses and a spreading or
    butter-type knife for each softer, messier cheese. Start a few cuts or
    slices in each piece by following the natural lines of the cheese or
    by cutting a small wedge out of a wheel of cheese. If you're not sure
    how to cut a certain shape, or if you want suggestions on which rinds
    to eat and which to trim, ask your cheese merchant.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.arthurprice.com/images/cheeseknife-p.jpg
    If each plate requires one then is it placed closest to the plate on
    the left side?

    Why did you choose the left side of the plate? I would place the
    knife across the top.

    http://itotd.com/index.alt?ArticleID=219

    In most parts of France, a traditional meal includes, at the very
    least, an entrée (what North Americans would call an appetizer), a
    main dish, and a cheese course—the latter either before, or in lieu
    of, dessert. Depending on where you go, what the local specialties
    are, and other seemingly random variables such as the phase of the
    moon, a cheese course may consist of anything from a single small
    round of cheese to a plate with three or four varieties—or even a
    large cart with dozens of selections from which you can choose
    whatever suits your tastes.

    A cheese course is often served with fresh bread, such as a sliced
    baguette—never crackers—and sometimes with fruit or nuts. But it's
    equally valid to serve cheese entirely on its own, at least if it’s of
    a variety that has sufficient coherency to survive the trip from plate
    to mouth on a fork. When serving more than one cheese in a cheese
    course, it’s customary to provide contrasts—softer and harder types,
    milder and more pungent varieties, and so on. Fancier dining
    establishments will carefully choose a wine (or even multiple wines)
    to pair with your cheese, and entire meals of cheese are not unheard
    of.

    Quoted message said:


    3) If I am serving a soft cheese what is required for each plate? I
    assume it is something like a butter spreader. Can one use the butter
    spreader or do we have to have a cheese spreader? Where is this
    cheese spreader placed on a table setting?


    A butter spreader is fine, but I'm unclear on your concept. You are
    stressing over individual knives for hard cheeses, but wondering if
    your guests need one knife each for soft cheeses? Why?

    Quoted message said:


    Any other information appreciated. Thanks.


    Just a word of advice: RELAX; it ain't brain surgery.

  7. When a variety of textures of cheese is served, the serving board or platter
    should also contain a cheese knife, a cheese plane, and a cheese scoop (for
    very soft cheeses). Special cheese implements are not provided for each
    guest. When serving only one type of cheese, only the appropriate implement
    should be placed on the serving piece.

    Flatware for each guest may be either brought with the cheese course or set
    as part of the table setting, and consists of a desert knife and fork. If
    set with the table setting, the knife and fork should be placed at the top of
    the charger or dinner plate with the knife blade facing the plate and the
    handle on the right. The fork is placed with the handle on the left above
    the knife.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
    unless there are three other people.

  8. Charles Gifford said:

    "Jonathan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:37:54 GMT, "Ophelia" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Well I am in UK so it might be different for you. The cheese knife that
    you show is on the cheese plate with the cheese. The person will cut
    the cheese he/she requires and transfers it to his/her own plate with
    the cheese knife. The knife by each plate.. a small butter knife will
    be on the right of the plate

    Thanks. That makes it a bit clearer. So the knife I showed is
    actually a server cheese knife which begs the question, once the
    person puts the cheese on his/her plate then what do they use to eat
    the hard cheeses?

    The knife you pictured is not for hard cheese. Hard cheeses use a "pie
    server" shaped utensil that shaves the cheese. The one you pictured is for
    semi-hard (medium) cheese. Soft cheeses may benefit from a cheese scoop.
    Each cheese presented should have it's own knife. Each diner should have
    his/her own knife.

    Cheeses are usually served with desserts and each guest is allowed to choose
    between them. One either has the cheese or the dessert. The plates used
    would be the same unless a dessert requires a large dish. In that case, the
    large dishes would be en place too. Utensils would be available at each
    place setting for all combinations of uses. This includes a dessert spoon
    (large), fork and knife as well as proper fruit eating utensils if fruits
    are also served.

    Quoted message said:

    If I understand you right then the butter knife is used for soft
    cheeses or is there a separate cheese spreader knife?

    The butter knife should remain on or near the butter dish. Each place
    setting should include a dinner knife even at the cheese/dessert course. But
    this thing about spreading! Spreading cheese? Heaven forefend!

    Charlie, all IMO of course

    Gee, Charlie, of all people I'd expect you to know that cheese is
    properly served with fruit, preferably good grapes, fermented of course
    and poured.... it's a must... no, wait, a bit older than a must.

    Okay, now that we have the absolute requirement out of the way we can
    move on to the optionals... practically a requirement are artisan
    breads (never crackers, unless the cheese is Philly or Velveeta), next
    in line are hard dry fermented sausages, then of course various olives.

    Charlie will be grateul that good beer is a permitted accompaniment
    too, preferably dark and strong varietals, served cool, not cold...
    same as
    the cheese... cheese should not be at room temperature, serve at about
    50ºF... leave at room temperature only a half hour before serving.

    Sadly no hard likker. Scotch goes with cigars and/or babes, not
    cheese.

    http://www.taunton.com/finecooking/pages/c00184.asp

    http://www.cheese.com

    Sheldon

  9. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Gee, Charlie, of all people I'd expect you to know that cheese is
    properly served with fruit, preferably good grapes, fermented of course
    and poured.... it's a must... no, wait, a bit older than a must.

    Okay, now that we have the absolute requirement out of the way we can
    move on to the optionals... practically a requirement are artisan
    breads (never crackers, unless the cheese is Philly or Velveeta), next
    in line are hard dry fermented sausages, then of course various olives.

    Charlie will be grateul that good beer is a permitted accompaniment
    too, preferably dark and strong varietals, served cool, not cold...
    same as
    the cheese... cheese should not be at room temperature, serve at about
    50ºF... leave at room temperature only a half hour before serving.

    Sadly no hard likker. Scotch goes with cigars and/or babes, not
    cheese.
    ___________________________________________________
    Charlie replies:

    I am unable to interweave my response to you so I will just do it in order.
    Certainly I agree that fruit should be served with cheese and accompanied
    with wines. However, they still should be served at the same time as
    dessert.

    Good bread is welcome with the cheese. But I can't agree with you about the
    crackers. Water crackers are acceptable as are similar dry bland crackers. I
    am afraid I am absolutely against the appearance of sausage during this
    course. I am sorry, but there it is. Now I have never seen olives appear in
    this course, but I can't dismiss it out of hand as I do not object to the
    appearance of small sour pickles such as cornishons. The olives just seem a
    bit startling on first thought.

    Now beer! I am of the school that encourages the replacement of standard
    issue wine with properly chosen beers when that would be to the diner's
    taste. Beer can indeed be of service in accompanying cheese and fruit. It
    can also be excellent with many desserts. One of the best combinations I
    know of is chocolate with a hoppy lager beer (even a slightly skunky beer).

    I think you are quite correct about the hard licker and cheese. On the other
    hand, really rich-sweet desserts are excellent with a good whisky or
    whiskey. I have seen cheese and cognac served. Personally I prefer it with
    my coffee after the meal.

    Charlie

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