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  1. Hi everyone (again): (sorry this is long)

    I tell you, my family thinks I am nuts checking my blood sugar all the time but I really am trying
    to gather as much data as I can. I am going back to the doctor tomorrow to ask for a glucose
    tolerance test...but here is my question.

    I have been monitoring my diet very closely, eating little carbs and almost no sugar. My numbers are
    generally higher in the AM, around 128-134 (when I wake up). I have a piece of wheat toast...some
    bacon and sausage and check my blood sugar right before lunch...usually it is around 95-105 at that
    point. Then for lunch I will eat a hamburger (half of bun) soup and no-suagr/carb drink...and 3
    hours after that, it is down to 100-112. Right before bed it ranges from 112-128. Over the past
    week, right before dinner, my BS has been at around 80-85 as well.

    Yesterday was a little different (with what I ate). Since I am still trying to see how my body
    reacts to food I did a little splurging. I woke up and my BS was 128 had some toast for breakfast.
    Right before lunch my BS was 106 and I had some chicken cooked in tomato sauce and some small amount
    fo brown rice. After lunch I picked up some pecan granola (12g of carbs and 2g of sugars for 30g)
    and nibbled on that (probably ate the one serving over the course of 30 minutes) and then went for a
    walk (20 minutes). When I got back fromt he walk it had been just abot 2.5 hours since lunch and my
    BS was then 69! I then ate a really tiny cupckae (the really small ones that sell 12 a single pack
    (bite size)). Went pumpkin picking and returned 1 hour later, BS was 92.

    Now here is the bad part (of what I ate)...I decided to try my luck, had another bite size cupcake
    and 30 minutes later went to eat some dinner (it was only about 5 or so. Went to this hamburger
    place in Hackensack NJ (delicious)...the burgers are small,think the size of white castle...but are
    much better, potato rolls and pickle. I ordered 4 small hamberugers and a regular vanilla milkshake
    - with the intention of checking my BS every hour.

    So at 6...my BS was 170 at 7 it was 134 at 8 it was 155 and at 9 it was 121.

    In the week before I had modified my diet some mased potatoes had spiked my BS over 200 but this
    food did not.

    What is going on...? Can anyone tell me?

    Thanks! scott

  2. <snip>
    was 92.

    Quoted message said:


    Now here is the bad part (of what I ate)...I decided to try my luck, had another bite size cupcake
    and 30 minutes later went to eat some dinner (it was only about 5 or so. Went to this hamburger
    place in Hackensack NJ (delicious)...the burgers are small,think the size of white castle...but
    are much better, potato rolls and pickle. I ordered 4 small hamberugers and a regular vanilla
    milkshake - with the intention of checking my BS every hour.

    So at 6...my BS was 170 at 7 it was 134 at 8 it was 155 and at 9 it was 121.

    Well, you probably know what spiked you here. The burger buns +the milshake are not the best
    choices. A lower carb meal would probably have given you great numbers. You're human. Chalk it up to
    experience.

    Quoted message said:


    In the week before I had modified my diet some mased potatoes had spiked my BS over 200 but this
    food did not.

    What is going on...? Can anyone tell me?

    Exercise and lowered insulin resistance.

    c

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks! scott

  3. "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone (again): (sorry this is long)

    I tell you, my family thinks I am nuts checking my blood sugar all the time but I really am trying
    to gather as much data as I can. I am going back to the doctor tomorrow to ask for a glucose
    tolerance test...but here is my question.

    I have been monitoring my diet very closely, eating little carbs and almost no sugar. My numbers
    are generally higher in the AM, around 128-134 (when I wake up). I have a piece of wheat
    toast...some bacon and sausage and check my blood sugar right before lunch...usually it is around
    95-105 at that point. Then for lunch I will eat a hamburger (half of bun) soup and no-suagr/carb
    drink...and 3 hours after that, it is down to 100-112. Right before bed it ranges from 112-128.
    Over the past week, right before dinner, my BS has been at around 80-85 as well.

    Your morning fasting is too high. But there may be nothing you can do about that. Your numbers are
    about the same as mine are in the morning. Dawn phenomenon can cause this. Why are you checking at
    the 3 hour mark? Most of us check at the two hour mark. And we call it BG (blood glucose) BTW. BS is
    something else.

    Quoted message said:


    Yesterday was a little different (with what I ate). Since I am still trying to see how my body
    reacts to food I did a little splurging. I woke up and my BS was 128 had some toast for breakfast.
    Right before lunch my BS was 106 and I had some chicken cooked in tomato sauce and some small
    amount fo brown rice. After lunch I picked up some pecan granola (12g of carbs and 2g of sugars
    for 30g) and nibbled on that (probably ate the one serving over the course of 30 minutes) and then
    went for a walk (20 minutes). When I got back fromt he walk it had been just abot 2.5 hours since
    lunch and my BS was then 69! I then ate a really tiny cupckae (the really small ones that sell 12
    a single pack (bite size)). Went pumpkin picking and returned 1 hour later, BS was 92.

    I am not familiar with those cupcakes. And the sugar content really doesn't matter. It is total
    carbs that matter. One thing I do notice about your lunch is that it is mainly carbs and protein.
    You should probably add some vegetables and perhaps a bit more fat.

    Quoted message said:


    Now here is the bad part (of what I ate)...I decided to try my luck, had another bite size cupcake
    and 30 minutes later went to eat some dinner (it was only about 5 or so. Went to this hamburger
    place in Hackensack NJ (delicious)...the burgers are small,think the size of white castle...but
    are much better, potato rolls and pickle. I ordered 4 small hamberugers and a regular vanilla
    milkshake - with the intention of checking my BS every hour.

    So at 6...my BS was 170 at 7 it was 134 at 8 it was 155 and at 9 it was 121.

    I guess you were pretty lucky because my BG would have been through the roof with that meal!
    Obviously too many carbs for you, but again you ate no vegetables.

    Quoted message said:


    In the week before I had modified my diet some mased potatoes had spiked my BS over 200 but this
    food did not.

    Mashed potatoes are a good food for me in terms of BG. Others do not necessarily find this so.

    Quoted message said:

    What is going on...? Can anyone tell me?

    What's going on is that you have diabetes. Your body doesn't handle carbs very well.

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

  4. Checking BS regularly, really confused.

    Group: misc.health.diabetes Date: Sun, Oct 26, 2003, 6:25am (EST-3) From: [email hidden]
    (Scott) Hi everyone (again): (sorry this is long) I tell you, my family thinks I am nuts checking my
    blood sugar all the time but I really am trying to gather as much data as I can. I am going back to
    the doctor tomorrow to ask for a glucose tolerance test...but here is my question.

    if it were me and i was checking my BGs that often i would do the first one before eating then one 1
    hour after, then 2 hours after eating making notes on what i was eating.

    am sure i will be corrected on this but it gives you a track record

    case

    the case, minus a few cans!

  5. Quoted message said:

    Hackensack NJ (delicious)...the burgers are small,think the size of white castle...but are much
    better, potato rolls and pickle.

    White Manna?

  6. Scott wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone (again): (sorry this is long)

    I tell you, my family thinks I am nuts checking my blood sugar all the time but I really am trying
    to gather as much data as I can. I am going back to the doctor tomorrow to ask for a glucose
    tolerance test...but here is my question.

    I have been monitoring my diet very closely, eating little carbs and almost no sugar. My numbers
    are generally higher in the AM, around 128-134 (when I wake up). I have a piece of wheat
    toast...some bacon and sausage and check my blood sugar right before lunch...usually it is around
    95-105 at that point. Then for lunch I will eat a hamburger (half of bun) soup and no-suagr/carb
    drink...and 3 hours after that, it is down to 100-112. Right before bed it ranges from 112-128.
    Over the past week, right before dinner, my BS has been at around 80-85 as well.

    Yesterday was a little different (with what I ate). Since I am still trying to see how my body
    reacts to food I did a little splurging. I woke up and my BS was 128 had some toast for breakfast.
    Right before lunch my BS was 106 and I had some chicken cooked in tomato sauce and some small
    amount fo brown rice. After lunch I picked up some pecan granola (12g of carbs and 2g of sugars for
    30g) and nibbled on that (probably ate the one serving over the course of 30 minutes) and then went
    for a walk (20 minutes). When I got back fromt he walk it had been just abot 2.5 hours since lunch
    and my BS was then 69! I then ate a really tiny cupckae (the really small ones that sell 12 a
    single pack (bite size)). Went pumpkin picking and returned 1 hour later, BS was 92.

    Now here is the bad part (of what I ate)...I decided to try my luck, had another bite size cupcake
    and 30 minutes later went to eat some dinner (it was only about 5 or so. Went to this hamburger
    place in Hackensack NJ (delicious)...the burgers are small,think the size of white castle...but are
    much better, potato rolls and pickle. I ordered 4 small hamberugers and a regular vanilla milkshake
    - with the intention of checking my BS every hour.

    So at 6...my BS was 170 at 7 it was 134 at 8 it was 155 and at 9 it was 121.

    In the week before I had modified my diet some mased potatoes had spiked my BS over 200 but this
    food did not.

    What is going on...? Can anyone tell me?

    Thanks! scott

    You have an impaired glucose metabolism. Some docs might say you're diabetic right now, some
    would ask for more tests.

    Your stomach and intestines work fine; they are very efficient at converting carbohydrate to glucose
    and dumping it into your blood. Unfortunately, your impaired beta cells can't make enough insulin
    fast enough to handle the situation. . .SOME of the time. It depends on how fast the carbs digest
    and how much you eat and a few other things (recent exercise and fat content).

    It's sorta like a race between two sets of body organs: one tries to dump as much sugar into the
    blood as fast as possible; the other tries to take it out as fast as possible. Your impaired beta
    cells are going to lose a lot of those races unless you make it easier for them by cutting your
    carbs and eating slow-digesting carbs.

    Mashed potatoes are "fast-fast-fast". Thus, you ate a goodly portion of fast carb and spiked.

    Who knows what your sugar was before the mashed potatoe meal. It could have been 160 and you spiked
    only 40 points to 200. Or, it could have been 100 and you spiked to 200. Depends on how much you
    ate, and perhaps how much other carb was in the meal.

    Eat some carb, let your blood sugar start to rise, then engage in vigorous exercise. That will put
    insulin into your blood and then engage some exercise mechanisms which really pull sugar out fast.
    Thus, you can eat a cupcake, exercise, and end up at 69. (which is a normal blood sugar BTW)

    Nothing about your blood sugars sounds odd to me, but I'm a diabetic.

    We test before and after eating, then log our meal contents in order to get some sort of idea about
    how fast our stomach works with different foods, and just how slow our glucose metabolism is at
    knocking our bG down after we eat those foods. There's quite a bit of variability from person to
    person so we all tend to be experts in "ourselves".

    BTW: Diabetics rarely drink milkshakes. We can't tolerate the fat, we can't tolerate the sugar.

    Looks like you have joined the diabetic Club. Therefore, you have to follow our rules. Get your
    cholesterol and triglycerides checked. That kind of sugar history suggests you could have dangerous
    levels of triglycerides (above 150 mg/dL). Also, keep current on your blood pressure. Your target is
    "120/80 or less"

    Sounds like you have some of the right ideas about the foods (brown rice) but watch out for those
    greasy hamburgers, white-bread buns, high carb granola bars and sugared-beverages.

    Regards
    Old Al

  7. BTW We usually use the abbreviation BG for blood glucose. BS is what a lot
    of the trolls post and spammers post.
    "Colleen" <[email hidden]}> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    <snip>
    was 92.

    Quoted message said:


    Now here is the bad part (of what I ate)...I decided to try my luck, had another bite size
    cupcake and 30 minutes later went to eat some dinner (it was only about 5 or so. Went to this
    hamburger place in Hackensack NJ (delicious)...the burgers are small,think the size of white
    castle...but are much better, potato rolls and pickle. I ordered 4 small hamberugers and a
    regular vanilla milkshake - with the intention of checking my BS every hour.

    So at 6...my BS was 170 at 7 it was 134 at 8 it was 155 and at 9 it was 121.

    Well, you probably know what spiked you here. The burger buns +the


    milshake

    Quoted message said:

    are not the best choices. A lower carb meal would probably have given you great numbers. You're
    human. Chalk it up to experience.

    Quoted message said:


    In the week before I had modified my diet some mased potatoes had spiked my BS over 200 but this
    food did not.

    What is going on...? Can anyone tell me?

    Exercise and lowered insulin resistance.

    c

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks! scott

  8. Yup white manna! Yum.

    Ik, so BG it is! I guess one can say I am still in denial about this...I still believing that there
    is a chance that there I may not have diabetes...but it becomes increasingly clear that I do...based
    on what everyone is saying...

    I have found many web sites that have posted different numbers for what a normal BG would
    be...generally 80-120 before meals and 100-140 4 hours after and before bedtime. With a morning
    BG of betwen 80-105. Now, according to these numbers it would seem that my only inconsistancy is
    the morning.

    Another website I saw had 2 hours after a meal the BG should be less than
    180...which in yesterdays case I would have been ok.

    Would the morning BG numbers be the clear indicator of diabetes? Could it be pre-diabetes? The best
    part about this is that I have lost about 6 pounds since I started monitoring...!! I could not do
    that before!

    Thanks!

    "Marshall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Hackensack NJ (delicious)...the burgers are small,think the size of white castle...but are much
    better, potato rolls and pickle.

    White Manna?

  9. Joel,

    Quoted message said:

    Ik, so BG it is! I guess one can say I am still in denial about this...I still believing that
    there is a chance that there I may not have diabetes...but it becomes increasingly clear that I
    do...based on what everyone is saying...

    I have found many web sites that have posted different numbers for what a normal BG would
    be...generally 80-120 before meals and 100-140 4 hours after and before bedtime. With a morning BG
    of betwen 80-105. Now, according to these numbers it would seem that my only inconsistancy is the
    morning.

    Another website I saw had 2 hours after a meal the BG should be less than 180...which in
    yesterdays case I would have been ok.

    Would the morning BG numbers be the clear indicator of diabetes? Could it be pre-diabetes? The
    best part about this is that I have lost about 6 pounds since I started monitoring...!! I could
    not do that before!

    Yes, the morning BG numbers can be a clear indicator of diabetes. From
    personalhealthzone.comdiabetesdiagnosing.h tml:

    "The fasting plasma glucose test is the preferred test for diagnosing type 1 or type 2 diabetes.
    However, a diagnosis of diabetes is made for any one of three positive tests, with a second positive
    test on a different day:

    * A random plasma glucose value (taken any time of day) of 200 mg/dL or more, along with the
    presence of diabetes symptoms.

    * A plasma glucose value of 126 mg/dL or more, after a person has fasted for 8 hours.

    * An oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) plasma glucose value of 200 mg/dL or more in the blood
    sample, taken 2 hours after a person has consumed a drink containing 75 grams of glucose
    dissolved in water. This test, taken in a laboratory or the doctor's office, measures plasma
    glucose at timed intervals over a 3-hour period."

    It is not unusual for morning BG to be increased while the pre- and post-meal numbers are within
    the "normal" range. I have more trouble with my fasting bg measurements than with pre- and post-
    meal values.

    --
    Guy T2, dx 5/95, 60yo metformin+actos+lisinopril+diet+exercise

  10. "Joel Fan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yup white manna! Yum.

    Ik, so BG it is! I guess one can say I am still in denial about this...I still believing that
    there is a chance that there I may not have diabetes...but it becomes increasingly clear that I
    do...based on what everyone is saying...

    I have found many web sites that have posted different numbers for what a normal BG would
    be...generally 80-120 before meals and 100-140 4 hours


    after

    Quoted message said:

    and before bedtime. With a morning BG of betwen 80-105. Now, according to these numbers it would
    seem that my only inconsistancy is the morning.

    I have never seen the 140 figure at 4 hours after eating. Diabetics usually eat their meals 4-5
    hours apart. So this number makes no sense. We should be <110 fasting.

    Quoted message said:


    Another website I saw had 2 hours after a meal the BG should be less than
    180...which in yesterdays case I would have been ok.

    This number applies only to *some* type 1 diabetics. I say *some* because some people have a bad
    time with hypos. For them, their Dr. might want them to keep their BG a little higher than normal.

    Quoted message said:


    Would the morning BG numbers be the clear indicator of diabetes? Could it


    be

    Quoted message said:

    pre-diabetes? The best part about this is that I have lost about 6 pounds since I started
    monitoring...!! I could not do that before!

    Your numbers sound like diabetes to me. My sister in law has pre-diabetes. In her case, the only
    numbers that are too high are her morning fasting numbers. Her other numbers throughout the day are
    never >110 no matter what she eats. She is very careful though and eats as though she has diabetes.

    As far as looking things up on the Internet, always check the source. You'll find all sorts of
    information out there. Doesn't mean it is true.

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

  11. Check if Englewood Hospital still runs a support group and talk with them.

    Joel Fan said:

    Yup white manna! Yum.

    Ik, so BG it is! I guess one can say I am still in denial about this...I still believing that
    there is a chance that there I may not have diabetes...but it becomes increasingly clear that I
    do...based on what everyone is saying...

    I have found many web sites that have posted different numbers for what a normal BG would
    be...generally 80-120 before meals and 100-140 4 hours after and before bedtime. With a morning BG
    of betwen 80-105. Now, according to these numbers it would seem that my only inconsistancy is the
    morning.

    Another website I saw had 2 hours after a meal the BG should be less than
    180...which in yesterdays case I would have been ok.

    Would the morning BG numbers be the clear indicator of diabetes? Could it be pre-diabetes? The
    best part about this is that I have lost about 6 pounds since I started monitoring...!! I could
    not do that before!

    Thanks!

    "Marshall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hackensack NJ (delicious)...the burgers are small,think the size of white castle...but are much
    better, potato rolls and pickle.

    White Manna?


  12. Thanks! Ok, I am meeting with the doctor tomorrow in the AM and will be taking the glucose tolerance
    test...I should have much more information this time tomorrow...hopefully, if I truly do have
    diabetes, it is type 2 and not type one...deathly afraid of needles.

    Thanks again. Scott "Guy Scharf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Joel,

    Quoted message said:

    Ik, so BG it is! I guess one can say I am still in denial about this...I still believing that
    there is a chance that there I may not have diabetes...but it becomes increasingly clear that I
    do...based on what everyone is saying...

    I have found many web sites that have posted different numbers for what a normal BG would
    be...generally 80-120 before meals and 100-140 4 hours after and before bedtime. With a morning
    BG of betwen 80-105. Now, according to these numbers it would seem that my only inconsistancy is
    the morning.

    Another website I saw had 2 hours after a meal the BG should be less than 180...which in
    yesterdays case I would have been ok.

    Would the morning BG numbers be the clear indicator of diabetes? Could it be pre-diabetes? The
    best part about this is that I have lost about 6 pounds since I started monitoring...!! I could
    not do that before!

    Yes, the morning BG numbers can be a clear indicator of diabetes. From
    personalhealthzone.comdiabetesdiagnosing.h tml:

    "The fasting plasma glucose test is the preferred test for diagnosing type 1 or type 2 diabetes.
    However, a diagnosis of diabetes is made for any one of three positive tests, with a second
    positive test on a different day:

    * A random plasma glucose value (taken any time of day) of 200 mg/dL or more, along with the
    presence of diabetes symptoms.

    * A plasma glucose value of 126 mg/dL or more, after a person has fasted for 8 hours.

    * An oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) plasma glucose value of 200 mg/dL or more in the blood
    sample, taken 2 hours after a person has consumed a drink containing 75 grams of glucose
    dissolved in water. This test, taken in a laboratory or the doctor's office, measures plasma
    glucose at timed intervals over a 3-hour period."

    It is not unusual for morning BG to be increased while the pre- and post-meal numbers are within
    the "normal" range. I have more trouble with my fasting bg measurements than with pre- and post-
    meal values.

    --
    Guy T2, dx 5/95, 60yo metformin+actos+lisinopril+diet+exercise

  13. Scott wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks! Ok, I am meeting with the doctor tomorrow in the AM and will be taking the glucose
    tolerance test...I should have much more information


    this

    Quoted message said:

    time tomorrow...hopefully, if I truly do have diabetes, it is type 2 and


    not

    Quoted message said:

    type one...deathly afraid of needles.

    Thanks again. Scott

    Nothing in any of your posts was sufficient to differentiate between Type 1 and Type 2
    diabetes.

    It is extremely difficult to tell the difference at first; most docs just treat all their new adult-
    diabetics as Type 2 and wait to see if the oral meds just stop working. Then it's time for insulin.

    The key features for a Type 2 diabetic are excess weight, especially in the abdomen, and a sedentary
    lifestyle. If that doesn't describe you, be open to the possibility of early insulin therapy.

    One of the problems faced by adult onset Type 1 who are mis-diagnosed as adult onset Type 2 is the
    real possibility of a diabetic ketoacidosis coma as their Type 1 fully develops. That can put you in
    the Emergency Room. . .if you're lucky and somebody notices it in time.

    A newly-diagnosed diabetic should never allow the simultaneous presence of sustained high blood
    sugars (over 200) and ketones in the blood. That's a sign of some dangerous things going on.

    Regards
    Old Al

  14. A key blood test diabetics should get every 3 months is Hba1c - which
    tells you your avg blood glucose level over the prior 3 months. The
    lower Hba1c, the better. If yours is over 7%, treatment is needed.
    See diabetes.orgA1C.jsp

    "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks! Ok, I am meeting with the doctor tomorrow in the AM and will be taking the glucose
    tolerance test...I should have much more information this time tomorrow...hopefully, if I truly do
    have diabetes, it is type 2 and not type one...deathly afraid of needles.

    Thanks again. Scott "Guy Scharf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Joel,

    Quoted message said:

    Ik, so BG it is! I guess one can say I am still in denial about this...I still believing that
    there is a chance that there I may not have diabetes...but it becomes increasingly clear that
    I do...based on what everyone is saying...

    I have found many web sites that have posted different numbers for what a normal BG would
    be...generally 80-120 before meals and 100-140 4 hours after and before bedtime. With a
    morning BG of betwen 80-105. Now, according to these numbers it would seem that my only
    inconsistancy is the morning.

    Another website I saw had 2 hours after a meal the BG should be less than 180...which in
    yesterdays case I would have been ok.

    Would the morning BG numbers be the clear indicator of diabetes? Could it be pre-diabetes? The
    best part about this is that I have lost about 6 pounds since I started monitoring...!! I
    could not do that before!

    Yes, the morning BG numbers can be a clear indicator of diabetes. From
    personalhealthzone.comdiabetesdiagnosing.h tml:

    "The fasting plasma glucose test is the preferred test for diagnosing type 1 or type 2 diabetes.
    However, a diagnosis of diabetes is made for any one of three positive tests, with a second
    positive test on a different day:

    * A random plasma glucose value (taken any time of day) of 200 mg/dL or more, along with the
    presence of diabetes symptoms.

    * A plasma glucose value of 126 mg/dL or more, after a person has fasted for 8 hours.

    * An oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) plasma glucose value of 200 mg/dL or more in the
    blood sample, taken 2 hours after a person has consumed a drink containing 75 grams of
    glucose dissolved in water. This test, taken in a laboratory or the doctor's office,
    measures plasma glucose at timed intervals over a 3-hour period."

    It is not unusual for morning BG to be increased while the pre- and post-meal numbers are within
    the "normal" range. I have more trouble with my fasting bg measurements than with pre- and post-
    meal values.

    --
    Guy T2, dx 5/95, 60yo metformin+actos+lisinopril+diet+exercise

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