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Bruce Edge said:

http://home.att.net/~bruce.edge/coiler/

Yeah, it's not made in the US, and the welds aren't as pretty as a
Ventana, but this thing rocks.

Fox propedal, SPV firefly fork, XTR, hayes...
For the first time in a long time, I'm really happy with my bike. [censored]
the weight. It doesn't matter.

First time out I started taking lines I always went around. It is just
so damn easy to lift the front on this thing and manual over everything.
It's almost instinctive.
Yeah, the singletrack ridge climbs work you over, but the DH and high
speed ST handling are just friggin amazing. It carves like nothing I've
ever ridden. Almost feels like surfing, in dirt :-)

32 lbs as shown, even with the Pig DH, 20mm thru axle, 8" rotor, and 3..1
tubless FR rims.

My only problem, I can't sleep now. I always wake up at 4 AM, just so I
can get in a couple of hours before work :-)

Yes you can all drool over it, it's mine mine mine....

-Bruce

Looking good... very good :-)

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Quoted message said:

Looking good... very good :-)

Thanks.
I know it's a poor man's 5 spot, but the damn thing is less than half
the price. Next time.

Bruce Edge said:

http://home.att.net/~bruce.edge/coiler/

Yeah, it's not made in the US, and the welds aren't as pretty as a
Ventana, but this thing rocks.

Fox propedal, SPV firefly fork, XTR, hayes...
For the first time in a long time, I'm really happy with my bike. [censored]
the weight. It doesn't matter.

First time out I started taking lines I always went around. It is just
so damn easy to lift the front on this thing and manual over
everything. It's almost instinctive.
Yeah, the singletrack ridge climbs work you over, but the DH and high
speed ST handling are just friggin amazing. It carves like nothing
I've ever ridden. Almost feels like surfing, in dirt :-)

32 lbs as shown, even with the Pig DH, 20mm thru axle, 8" rotor, and
3.1 tubless FR rims.

My only problem, I can't sleep now. I always wake up at 4 AM, just so
I can get in a couple of hours before work :-)

Yes you can all drool over it, it's mine mine mine....

looks real nice .... no QR's, how appropriate! the electrical tape is
a nice touch though, I don't know what purpose you're using it for, but
no bike I've ridden seems complete without it.

the XTR cranks look like they're doing just fine -- any use on the frame
when you got it?? I noticed the dirt caked around the bottom pivot
point in the first pic. 32 lbs is pretty good for anything that rugged.
hey as long as you're having fun who's going to argue! it's nice to
have a bike where you don't have to worry about weight too much.

I'm thinking of building another rig, nothing quite as bad, but not a
pure CC machine like I'm constantly riding now (plus I can tune that
more toward racing use). in fact the frame I think I want is almost the
exact same color and finish as yours.

have fun
bri

Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

http://home.att.net/~bruce.edge/coiler/

Yeah, it's not made in the US, and the welds aren't as pretty as a
Ventana, but this thing rocks.

Fox propedal, SPV firefly fork, XTR, hayes...
For the first time in a long time, I'm really happy with my bike. [censored]
the weight. It doesn't matter.

First time out I started taking lines I always went around. It is just
so damn easy to lift the front on this thing and manual over everything.
It's almost instinctive.
Yeah, the singletrack ridge climbs work you over, but the DH and high
speed ST handling are just friggin amazing. It carves like nothing I've
ever ridden. Almost feels like surfing, in dirt :-)

32 lbs as shown, even with the Pig DH, 20mm thru axle, 8" rotor, and 3.1
tubless FR rims.

My only problem, I can't sleep now. I always wake up at 4 AM, just so I
can get in a couple of hours before work :-)

Yes you can all drool over it, it's mine mine mine....

-Bruce

You didn't say what spokes are on those wheels. Cheng Shin spokes
have an uncanny ability to shear at the head and ruin a ride.

JD

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Quoted message said:

http://home.att.net/~bruce.edge/coiler/

Yeah, it's not made in the US, and the welds aren't as pretty as a
Ventana, but this thing rocks.

Yes you can all drool over it, it's mine mine mine....

-Bruce

Nice but, carbon bars? and spd's? go back and try again...

Steve.

Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in news:4159c7c8_5
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http://home.att.net/~bruce.edge/coiler/

Nice, thanks for sharing.

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"Bruce Edge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://home.att.net/~bruce.edge/coiler/

Yeah, it's not made in the US, and the welds aren't as pretty as a
Ventana, but this thing rocks.

Yes you can all drool over it, it's mine mine mine....

-Bruce

Nice but, carbon bars? and spd's? go back and try again...

Steve.

Yeah yeah, hey those are the parts I got OK? I have some 646's too, but
I mostly do XC, I just like the sold feel of a sturdier steed than those
25 lb things.
The carbon bars are going though, you read my mind :-)

-Bruce

bri719 said:

Bruce Edge said:

http://home.att.net/~bruce.edge/coiler/

looks real nice .... no QR's, how appropriate! the electrical tape is
a nice touch though, I don't know what purpose you're using it for, but
no bike I've ridden seems complete without it.

Tape and zip ties, the world is a better place because of them.
Chain guard doesn't cover area behind chainrings.

Quoted message said:

the XTR cranks look like they're doing just fine -- any use on the frame
when you got it?? I noticed the dirt caked around the bottom pivot
point in the first pic. 32 lbs is pretty good for anything that rugged.
hey as long as you're having fun who's going to argue! it's nice to
have a bike where you don't have to worry about weight too much.

I sometimes wish that I had less then a 24 tooth granny, it takes some
grunting to get up the steep techie stuff, still I love the was the XTR
cranks shift.
It's an 04 frame, got it from a guy at my LBS, he has a lot of bikes, so
I can't imageine it had that much use. The dirt on it is from when he
let me test ride it. I gave it back dirty :-)

Quoted message said:

I'm thinking of building another rig, nothing quite as bad, but not a
pure CC machine like I'm constantly riding now (plus I can tune that
more toward racing use). in fact the frame I think I want is almost the
exact same color and finish as yours.

It's not meant to be a "bad ass" or "FR" or whatever bike. This is my
trail bike, the bike for everything. After breaking my joker twice I
just decided that I needed something a tad heavier.

Quoted message said:

have fun
bri

JD said:

You didn't say what spokes are on those wheels. Cheng Shin spokes
have an uncanny ability to shear at the head and ruin a ride.

JD

Not a clue. Bought wheels used on mtbr, just for the king hubs really,
can't afford anything new :-) Heck I got both wheels for less than the
king rear hub is new.
Never broken a spoke after a year on those wheels, so hopefully I'm OK.
Thanks for the warning though.

-Bruce

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:20:23 -0700, Bruce Edge <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

http://home.att.net/~bruce.edge/coiler/

Yeah, it's not made in the US, and the welds aren't as pretty as a
Ventana, but this thing rocks.

Fox propedal, SPV firefly fork, XTR, hayes...
For the first time in a long time, I'm really happy with my bike. [censored]
the weight. It doesn't matter.

First time out I started taking lines I always went around. It is just
so damn easy to lift the front on this thing and manual over everything.
It's almost instinctive.
Yeah, the singletrack ridge climbs work you over, but the DH and high
speed ST handling are just friggin amazing. It carves like nothing I've
ever ridden. Almost feels like surfing, in dirt :-)

32 lbs as shown, even with the Pig DH, 20mm thru axle, 8" rotor, and 3.1
tubless FR rims.

My only problem, I can't sleep now. I always wake up at 4 AM, just so I
can get in a couple of hours before work :-)

Yes you can all drool over it, it's mine mine mine....

-Bruce

no drooling, but nice...keep riding.

Bill

Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

JD said:

You didn't say what spokes are on those wheels. Cheng Shin spokes
have an uncanny ability to shear at the head and ruin a ride.

JD

Not a clue. Bought wheels used on mtbr, just for the king hubs really,
can't afford anything new :-) Heck I got both wheels for less than the
king rear hub is new.
Never broken a spoke after a year on those wheels, so hopefully I'm OK.
Thanks for the warning though.

-Bruce

If they are not kona OEM wheels, you probably don't have to worry
about it. Any reputable wheelbuilder uses at least DT Swiss or
Wheelsmith spokes.

JD

JD said:

Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

JD said:

You didn't say what spokes are on those wheels. Cheng Shin spokes
have an uncanny ability to shear at the head and ruin a ride.

JD

Not a clue. Bought wheels used on mtbr, just for the king hubs really,
can't afford anything new :-) Heck I got both wheels for less than the
king rear hub is new.
Never broken a spoke after a year on those wheels, so hopefully I'm OK.
Thanks for the warning though.

-Bruce

If they are not kona OEM wheels, you probably don't have to worry
about it. Any reputable wheelbuilder uses at least DT Swiss or
Wheelsmith spokes.

JD

Yeah, I agree with you on the kona built kit quality, I'd never nuy one
of their complete bikes.
The only kona thing I have is the frame. The rest is what I had from my
joker.

-Bruce

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Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

http://home.att.net/~bruce.edge/coiler/

Yeah, it's not made in the US, and the welds aren't as pretty as a
Ventana, but this thing rocks.

Fox propedal, SPV firefly fork, XTR, hayes...
For the first time in a long time, I'm really happy with my bike. [censored]
the weight. It doesn't matter.

First time out I started taking lines I always went around. It is just
so damn easy to lift the front on this thing and manual over everything.
It's almost instinctive.
Yeah, the singletrack ridge climbs work you over, but the DH and high
speed ST handling are just friggin amazing. It carves like nothing I've
ever ridden. Almost feels like surfing, in dirt :-)

32 lbs as shown, even with the Pig DH, 20mm thru axle, 8" rotor, and 3.1
tubless FR rims.

My only problem, I can't sleep now. I always wake up at 4 AM, just so I
can get in a couple of hours before work :-)

Yes you can all drool over it, it's mine mine mine....

-Bruce

You didn't say what spokes are on those wheels. Cheng Shin spokes
have an uncanny ability to shear at the head and ruin a ride.

JD

Cheng Shin doesn't make spokes ... then again neither does Wheelsmith.

R

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Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

JD said:

You didn't say what spokes are on those wheels. Cheng Shin spokes
have an uncanny ability to shear at the head and ruin a ride.

JD

Not a clue. Bought wheels used on mtbr, just for the king hubs really,
can't afford anything new :-) Heck I got both wheels for less than the
king rear hub is new.
Never broken a spoke after a year on those wheels, so hopefully I'm OK.
Thanks for the warning though.

-Bruce

If they are not kona OEM wheels, you probably don't have to worry
about it. Any reputable wheelbuilder uses at least DT Swiss or
Wheelsmith spokes.

JD

Of course, I sit corrected by Reco. Substitute Cheng Shin with "cheap
asian" and forget about Wheelsmith, though the spokes they put their
name on (or used to) are not as bad as "cheap asian". I only use DT
Swiss, then again they are manufactured about two miles as the crow
flies from the Shack. I've never snapped a DT spoke at the head, but
have sheared many "cheap asians" (imagine a crowd of cheap asians with
buzzcuts here) and have seen failed spokes in the same manner on OEM
kona wheels.

JD

Quoted message said:

have sheared many "cheap asians" (imagine a crowd of cheap asians with
buzzcuts here)

*raises hand*

I wonder if I should post the intro to my website... whaddya think JD?

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Cheng Shin doesn't make spokes ... then again neither does Wheelsmith.

Unless it's more propaganda, their website talks about their Montana
facility manufacturing most of their spokes.

http://www.wheelsmith.com/page2.html

JD

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have sheared many "cheap asians" (imagine a crowd of cheap asians with
buzzcuts here)

*raises hand*

I wonder if I should post the intro to my website... whaddya think JD?

Definitely worth an encore.

JD

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[email hidden] (Reco Diver) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Cheng Shin doesn't make spokes ... then again neither does Wheelsmith.

Unless it's more propaganda, their website talks about their Montana
facility manufacturing most of their spokes.

http://www.wheelsmith.com/page2.html

JD

The key word is most. The wire is pulled by Asahi. Fab does the
sizing, the packaging, wheel building, etc. So I guess, to Hjertberg,
that constitutes most. In the old days, wheelsmith was one company ...
then it was Wheelsmith Inc, and Wheelsmith Fab ... then the
fabrications half was moved and (a couple of years later)the retail
shop closed. The continuity in the story is that fab just that fab.

Personally, I like Wheelsmith better than Sapim ot DT, just for the
constant lengths within a size run.

R

It's all propaganda in the bicycle industry.

R

JD said:

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have sheared many "cheap asians" (imagine a crowd of cheap asians
with buzzcuts here)

*raises hand*

I wonder if I should post the intro to my website... whaddya think
JD?

Definitely worth an encore.

JD

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee whee!
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Phil, Squid-in-Training