Cheap 16 gram cartridges

Quoted message said:

So, I had a die wrench, purchased a 10mm x 1.0 die, and threaded the end

of

Quoted message said:

the inexpensive cartridges. Worked like a charm.

Please be very careful if you attempt this. Put the cartridge in a large vise fixed to a bench,
wear safety goggles, and do not stand in front of

the

Quoted message said:

die wrench... just in case.

Those cartridges aren't beefed up enough to withstand threading, and I sure as heck wouldn't
want to be sitting on a saddle if one of those modified air cartridges was in my seat bag and
decided to become shrapnel. Not to mention the dangers in actually threading one... safety
glasses might protect your eyes, but if one of those were to blow its top off, you'd better be
wearing a flak jacket.

If saving $$$ is really that important, use 12g unthreaded cartridges (and an appropriate inflator).
Even if you have to use two of them, they're still less-expensive than the 16g threaded variety. And
if you want to save a whole lot of $$$, buy them in 25-packs from a gun shop or sporting-goods
store. And if you want to save even more $$$, use a hand pump.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

Steve said:

I have an Innovations inflator. I got tired of paying $3+ for 16 gram Innovations cartridges.

How many flats do you get?

For an extra $2 each, my time is worth more than the effort. I'm having a bad year if I get 3 flats
a year in 3-4000 miles of a combination of on and off-road riding.

Barry

B a r r y B u r k e J r . said:

How many flats do you get?

For an extra $2 each, my time is worth more than the effort. I'm having a bad year if I get 3
flats a year in 3-4000 miles of a combination of on and off-road riding.

My feelings exactly. I often wonder why people go through so much trouble to save a dollar. I rarely
have one flat a year anymore. About a decade ago I typically had 3 or 4. I guess tires are better or
I am just more careful. It's not worth my time to seek out slightly cheaper cartridges, not to
mention the thought of having to thread cheap 12gram models. Is the value of their time that
insignificant? I just started using CO2 last year when I got a new Seven Axiom. The Blackburn frame
pump would rattle a bit on this frame. I tried a Zefal and it rapped the toptube on each bump in the
road. So I went to CO2 and have still not had a flat so I have not been able to test it in combat
situations. I did, however, "burn" a cartridge to test it out and make sure I knew how to use it.

Tim McTeague

Steve said:

I have an Innovations inflator. I got tired of paying $3+ for 16 gram Innovations cartridges. I
thought I was smart purchasing 16 gram cartridges for around $1 each at an online beer supply
house, when I found that the Innovations inflator opening was too small to accept regular
cartridges.

3.00 is cheep my store has them for 7.99 but my pump can use both threaded and unthreaded and I got
my 12 gram at walmart 15 for 7.89

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See
knight-toolworks.comknight-toolworks.comOpen ↗ For prices and ordering instructions.

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Tim McTeague

BB a r r y B u r k e J r . said:

How many flats do you get?

For an extra $2 each, my time is worth more than the effort. I'm having a bad year if I get 3
flats a year in 3-4000 miles of a combination of on and off-road riding.

My feelings exactly. I often wonder why people go through so much trouble to save a dollar. I rarely
have one flat a year anymore. About a decade ago I typically had 3 or 4. I guess tires are better or
I am just more careful. It's not worth my time to seek out slightly cheaper cartridges, not to
mention the thought of having to thread cheap 12gram models. Is the value of their time that
insignificant? I just started using CO2 last year when I got a new Seven Axiom. The Blackburn frame
pump would rattle a bit on this frame. I tried a Zefal and it rapped the toptube on each bump in the
road. So I went to CO2 and have still not had a flat so I have not been able to test it in combat
situations. I did, however, "burn" a cartridge to test it out and make sure I knew how to use it.

Tim McTeague [/B]

Same reason I stopped trying to patch tubes - a flat tire costs me $5 for a tube and 75¢ for a CO2 cart (if I fix it on the road). I can't remember the last time I had two flats on the same ride but I carry 3 carts and 2 tubes most of the time anyway. 12g unthreaded carts seem to be much more popular at the sporting goods stores (therefore much cheaper than other types) so switching to an inflator that can use that type will save money in the long run. Total four flats this year, one happened at home (goathead) - I spent $22.25 on flat tire repair for the whole year.

DiabloScott said:

Tim McTeague said:

B a r r y B u r k e J r . said:

How many flats do you get?

For an extra $2 each, my time is worth more than the effort. I'm having a bad year if I get 3
flats a year in 3-4000 miles of a combination of on and off-road riding.

My feelings exactly. I often wonder why people go through so much trouble to save a dollar. I
rarely have one flat a year anymore. About

a

Quoted message said:

decade ago I typically had 3 or 4. I guess tires are better or I am

just

Quoted message said:

more careful. It's not worth my time to seek out slightly cheaper cartridges, not to mention the
thought of having to thread cheap 12gram models. Is the value of their time that insignificant?
I just started using CO2 last year when I got a new Seven Axiom. The Blackburn frame pump would
rattle a bit on this frame. I tried a Zefal and it rapped

the

Quoted message said:

toptube on each bump in the road. So I went to CO2 and have still not had a flat so I have not
been able to test it in combat situations. I did, however, "burn" a cartridge to test it out and
make sure I knew

how

Quoted message said:

to use it. Tim McTeague

Same reason I stopped trying to patch tubes - a flat tire costs me $5 for a tube and 75¢ for a CO2
cart (if I fix it on the road). I can't remember the last time I had two flats on the same ride
but I carry 3 carts and 2 tubes most of the time anyway. 12g unthreaded carts seem to be much more
popular at the sporting goods stores (therefore much cheaper than other types) so switching to an
inflator that can use that type will save money in the long run. Total four flats this year, one
happened at home (goathead) - I spent $22.25 on flat tire repair for the whole year.

--
Check out my bike blog!

diabloscott.blogspot.comdiabloscott.blogspot.comOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

--------------------------<

Posted via cyclingforums.com cyclingforums.comcyclingforums.comOpen ↗

I've also given up on patching tubes. However, I do carry a patch kit and keep the tube with the
hole. I never know when calamity will strike (and has struck) and gives me too many holes for the
amount of tubes (generally
1) I carry.

--
Bob M in CT Remove 'x.' to reply

"DiabloScott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Same reason I stopped trying to patch tubes - a flat tire costs me $5 for a tube and 75¢ for a CO2
cart (if I fix it on the road). I can't remember the last time I had two flats on the same ride
but I carry 3 carts and 2 tubes most of the time anyway. 12g unthreaded carts seem to be much more
popular at the sporting goods stores (therefore much cheaper than other types) so switching to an
inflator that can use that type will save money in the long run. Total four flats this year, one
happened at home (goathead) - I spent $22.25 on flat tire repair for the whole year.

I spent only a few pennies, leaving that $22.95 for another nice dinner.

Matt O.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Total four flats this year, one happened at home (goathead) - I spent $22.25 on flat tire repair
for the whole year.

Quoted message said:

I spent only a few pennies, leaving that $22.95 for another nice dinner.

Ah yes, but that might have been four dinners you got home a little bit late for... and in my house,
$22.95 wouldn't even begin to cover the damage!

Having said that, I must admit that on those rare instances I get a flat, I typically patch the
tube... simply because I can. No air cartridges though, just a regular hand pump (Blackburn
AirStik), because I don't like the idea of a finite amount of air and often help out others that I
come across with flat tires.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

"Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"DiabloScott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Same reason I stopped trying to patch tubes - a flat tire costs me $5 for a tube and 75¢ for a
CO2 cart (if I fix it on the road). I can't remember the last time I had two flats on the same
ride but I carry 3 carts and 2 tubes most of the time anyway. 12g unthreaded carts seem to be
much more popular at the sporting goods stores (therefore much cheaper than other types) so
switching to an inflator that can use that type will save money in the long run. Total four
flats this year, one happened at home (goathead) - I spent $22.25 on flat tire repair for the
whole year.

I spent only a few pennies, leaving that $22.95 for another nice dinner.

Matt O.

Bob M said:

Quoted message said:

Same reason I stopped trying to patch tubes - a flat tire costs me $5 for a tube and 75¢ for a
CO2 cart (if I fix it on the road). I can't remember the last time I had two flats on the same
ride but I carry 3 carts and 2 tubes most of the time anyway. 12g unthreaded carts seem to

I've also given up on patching tubes. However, I do carry a patch kit and keep the tube with the
hole. I never know when calamity will strike (and has struck) and gives me too many holes for the
amount of tubes (generally
1) I carry.

Both of you might be able to save a little money by just replacing the tube on the road, as you do,
but patch the old one when you get home.

It's cheap either way.
--
Rick Onanian

To me, the benefit of the CO2 cartridge is rapid, full inflation of the tire. I also carry a
Blackburn AirStik, but you can wear yourself out trying to get the rear tire up to a reasonable
pressure level. I just keep the pump as a back-up for the CO2.

"Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Total four flats this year, one happened at home (goathead) - I spent $22.25 on flat tire
repair for

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

whole year.

Quoted message said:

I spent only a few pennies, leaving that $22.95 for another nice dinner.

Ah yes, but that might have been four dinners you got home a little bit

late

Quoted message said:

for... and in my house, $22.95 wouldn't even begin to cover the damage!

Having said that, I must admit that on those rare instances I get a flat,

I

Quoted message said:

typically patch the tube... simply because I can. No air cartridges

though,

Quoted message said:

just a regular hand pump (Blackburn AirStik), because I don't like the

idea

Quoted message said:

of a finite amount of air and often help out others that I come across

with

Quoted message said:

flat tires.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

"Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"DiabloScott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Same reason I stopped trying to patch tubes - a flat tire costs me $5 for a tube and 75¢ for a
CO2 cart (if I fix it on the road). I can't remember the last time I had two flats on the same
ride but I carry 3 carts and 2 tubes most of the time anyway. 12g unthreaded carts seem

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be much more popular at the sporting goods stores (therefore much cheaper than other types) so
switching to an inflator that can use

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

type will save money in the long run. Total four flats this year, one happened at home
(goathead) - I spent $22.25 on flat tire repair for

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

whole year.

I spent only a few pennies, leaving that $22.95 for another nice dinner.

Matt O.

"Allan Leedy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

To me, the benefit of the CO2 cartridge is rapid, full inflation of the tire. I also carry a
Blackburn AirStik, but you can wear yourself out trying to get the rear tire up to a reasonable
pressure level. I just keep the pump as a back-up for the CO2.

My solution is to use fatter road tires, like 28mm, which only need 90 PSI or so -- quickly and
easily attainable with my trusty, high-volume Blackburn Mammoth, or an old Silca.

However, I will confess to owning a CO2 inflator, which I'll probably be using on my new bike -- fat
tires probably won't fit.

Matt O.

Are flat tires really that much of a problem for you people? will i get these problems too? (im a
new rider), I use big chunky mtb tires.

Quoted message said:

Are flat tires really that much of a problem for you people? will i get these problems too? (im a
new rider), I use big chunky mtb tires.

Well, they don't happen all that often to me (I can say that because I had one yesterday). That is,
in five years of city riding, I've had three flats. Pretty decent, considering that one was user
error (pinch flat). The others were incidental penetrations, both caused by metal slivers (one a
piece of wire, one a staple, industrial type).

The staple was yesterday. That's what I get for posting about how well my cheap tires have
performed.

As far as the mtb tires, I think they're possibly more flat-resistant than a high-pressure skinny
road tire, but you give up a lot in terms of efficiency.

So no, flats aren't a major issue for me. But if you ride a bicycle a lot you can expect to get
them, on occasion.

Note to Keats: I ditched the Cheng Shins yesterday, the rubber was all cracked and funky on the
sidewalls (but the casings were intact).

--

_______________________ALL AMIGA IN MY MIND_______________________ ------------------"Buddy Holly,
the Texas Elvis"------------------
__________306.350.357.38>>[email hidden]__________

"Steve" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

I have an Innovations inflator. I got tired of paying $3+ for 16 gram Innovations cartridges. I
thought I was smart purchasing 16 gram cartridges for around $1 each at an online beer supply
house, when I found that the Innovations inflator opening was too small to accept regular
cartridges.

So, I had a die wrench, purchased a 10mm x 1.0 die, and threaded the end

of

Quoted message said:

the inexpensive cartridges. Worked like a charm.

Please be very careful if you attempt this. Put the cartridge in a large vise fixed to a bench,
wear safety goggles, and do not stand in front of

the

Quoted message said:

die wrench... just in case.

Steve

I got tired of paying $3+ for 16 gram cartridges too, so I went back to carrying a pump.
--
mark

"Arpit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Are flat tires really that much of a problem for you people? will i get these problems too? (im a
new rider), I use big chunky mtb tires.

No, but it depends on where you ride. Sometimes I go for years without a single flat.

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole <[email hidden]> wrote:
: No, but it depends on where you ride. Sometimes I go for years without a single flat.

i am doing something wrong. or living somewhere wrong.

i've had something like 30 flats in the last year. on one ride last fall in denver i had 3 separate
flats (one had me patching my tube in five places). i wish i'd never heard of goat head thorns .. at
least some of the time you can leave 'em in and get home. nearly all my miles are road miles.

i have a 100 pack of rema patches and it never occurred to me to worry about them going bad.

i can't afford not to patch my tubes & i'm damn good at it.

most have been patched around 3 times.

i haven't had a flat in 2 weeks. the longest stretch w/o a flat were the 4 months i spent in
minnesota this year. the shortest was 30 minutes.

i ride kevlar avocet duro 28mms, i don't like slime, i don't like mr tuffy's and i'm so fast at
patching and fixing flats that i don't really view it as anything more than a minor pain in the ass.
& my trusty zefal frame pump trumps c02.

i'm so jealous.
--
david reuteler [email hidden]

Matt O'Toole' from said:

"Arpit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Are flat tires really that much of a problem for you people? will i get these problems too? (im a
new rider), I use big chunky mtb tires.

No, but it depends on where you ride. Sometimes I go for years without a single flat.

You just jinxed it.

--
home.sport.rr.comcuthuluOpen ↗ human rights = peace a glass elephant takes before a dismal tissue
12:35:38 AM 12 October 2003

In article said:

Note to Keats: I ditched the Cheng Shins yesterday, the rubber was all cracked and funky on the
sidewalls (but the casings were intact).

I Web-searched on my C-917-11 26x1.50 slicks and came up with nada.

I guess they're discontinued.

Meanwhile, my love/hate relationship with 'em continues.

When/if they finally wear out, I wanna take 'em up to my brother's ranch and shred them with a .303.
But the bullets would probably ricochet all over the map.

A benched .22-250 might penetrate, but it'll sure take a lot of ammo to smithereen 'em. But maybe I
could take erstwhile care of some fence-sitting magpies in the process.

Anyways, I figure it'd be greatly & satisfactorily apropos to shoot a pair of tired, worn-out, old
Cheng Shin life-partners out of their misery (and back into the Hades from whence they came.)

cheers, Tom

--
-- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn
[point] bc [point] ca