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  1. I have a Bike Friday which uses 406 rim/wheels. I'm thinking about
    changing my gearing so that I have a fairly large range for use with
    regular unloaded riding to riding in a loaded touring mode.
    I'm thinking of using 32-46-56 chainrings with a 11-23 or maybe a 11-25
    cassette. I already have a Shimano Ultegra triple and I have Campy
    10spd Ergolevers. I read on this newsgroup that Campy 10spd
    Ergoshifters work with Shimano 10spd cassettes. So if I replace my rear
    derailleur to a Campy does anybody see any problems with this system?
    Will it shift okay with these non standard chainrings?

    Ted

  2. Ted said:

    I have a Bike Friday which uses 406 rim/wheels. I'm thinking about
    changing my gearing so that I have a fairly large range for use with
    regular unloaded riding to riding in a loaded touring mode.
    I'm thinking of using 32-46-56 chainrings with a 11-23 or maybe a 11-25
    cassette. I already have a Shimano Ultegra triple and I have Campy
    10spd Ergolevers. I read on this newsgroup that Campy 10spd
    Ergoshifters work with Shimano 10spd cassettes. So if I replace my rear
    derailleur to a Campy does anybody see any problems with this system?
    Will it shift okay with these non standard chainrings?

    Ted

    A 32-56 and a 11-23? PLanning on going really, really fast down some
    hills and really slow up them ? That's a huge range. I think any range
    that wide has inherent issues with chain length. YMMV. What are you
    using the bike for?

  3. Bob said:
    Ted said:

    I have a Bike Friday which uses 406 rim/wheels. I'm thinking about
    changing my gearing so that I have a fairly large range for use with
    regular unloaded riding to riding in a loaded touring mode.
    I'm thinking of using 32-46-56 chainrings with a 11-23 or maybe a 11-25
    cassette. I already have a Shimano Ultegra triple and I have Campy
    10spd Ergolevers. I read on this newsgroup that Campy 10spd
    Ergoshifters work with Shimano 10spd cassettes. So if I replace my rear
    derailleur to a Campy does anybody see any problems with this system?
    Will it shift okay with these non standard chainrings?

    Ted

    A 32-56 and a 11-23? PLanning on going really, really fast down some
    hills and really slow up them ? That's a huge range. I think any range
    that wide has inherent issues with chain length. YMMV. What are you
    using the bike for?

    Its apparent you are not familiar with Bike Fridays. A 406 wheel is
    about 18 inches diameter. Therefore a 56x11 high gear is 92 gear
    inches. Equivalent to about a 53x15 on a 700C bike. I don't think you
    will go really, really fast down some hills unless they are really,
    really steep and you get into a very aero tuck.

    The low gear of 32x23 on a Bike Friday is about 25 gear inches.
    Equivalent to a 30x32 gear on a 700C bike. Pretty low but I prefer
    under 20 gear inches when touring loaded in the mountains.

  4. Quoted message said:


    Its apparent you are not familiar with Bike Fridays. A 406 wheel is
    about 18 inches diameter. Therefore a 56x11 high gear is 92 gear
    inches. Equivalent to about a 53x15 on a 700C bike. I don't think you
    will go really, really fast down some hills unless they are really,
    really steep and you get into a very aero tuck.

    The low gear of 32x23 on a Bike Friday is about 25 gear inches.
    Equivalent to a 30x32 gear on a 700C bike. Pretty low but I prefer
    under 20 gear inches when touring loaded in the mountains.

    Sorry, I missed that important part about the wheels! Ignore
    everything I posted (as if that doesn't happen automatically with
    all my posts anyway)!

    Back to my other point though... that's still a lot of chain. Is
    there a mechanism to take up the slack ?

  5. Yes, I would probably use a medium length cage derailleur to take up
    the chain. I know there are other people out there using large
    chainrings(56+) on Bike Fridays but I'm not sure which derailleurs
    they're using. I was thinking of modifing a 11-23 cassette to a 11-25
    which would give me a low gear of about 24 inches.

  6. Ted said:

    Yes, I would probably use a medium length cage derailleur to take up
    the chain. I know there are other people out there using large
    chainrings(56+) on Bike Fridays but I'm not sure which derailleurs
    they're using. I was thinking of modifing a 11-23 cassette to a 11-25
    which would give me a low gear of about 24 inches.

    Use the LONG cage Campagnolo rear derailleur. Campagnolo makes short,
    medium, and long cage derailleurs. The LONG version will most likely
    wrap up enough chain to use the bigger cogs in back with the inner
    chainring.

    I met a guy with a truss frame Moulton who ran 10 speed Campagnolo.
    55-39 chainrings with 11-29 cassette. You can get Veloce loose cog
    cassettes and mix up the cogs. Or use a riveted together cassette for
    the first 6-7 or so cogs and then loose Veloce for the upper cogs.
    Given the fact Moultons are about $5,000 plus for the truss frame
    model, buying two cassettes to get one isn't much of a concern. This
    guy used a Dura Ace triple front derailleur and a medium/long cage
    Campagnolo rear derailleur. Record 10 speed shifters.

    32x23 = 25 gear inches
    30x23 = 23.5 gear inches
    32x25 = 23 gear inches

    Might be better off just using the stock 11-23 cassette and going with
    a 30 tooth inner chainring. Chain length will be shorter with the
    56x23 combo than with the 56x25 so the derailleur will have less to
    wrap. But you may lose the use of one of the smaller cogs on the
    cassette because the chain droops too much. And the chain may rub the
    bottom of the front derailleur cage if using any but the biggest cogs
    due to the 30 ring being a little less diameter and the fact the front
    derailleur is mounted so high to clear the 56 ring.

    I'd suggest trying the 11-23 stock cassette first and judging if
    changing to a 30 inner chainring will present any problems.

  7. Bob said:

    Back to my other point though... that's still a lot of chain. Is
    there a mechanism to take up the slack ?

    It's only 36 teeth, Deore and better long cage Shimano derailers (that's
    mountain long, not the 'road long' which is actually a medium cage) have a
    stated capacity of 43-45 teeth, conservatively estimated. It's a slightly
    large front range and a relatively small rear -- take a typical mountain
    cassette and chainring setup, 44/32/22 with an 11-34 -- that's 22+23=45
    teeth. Hell, the road 'triple' medium cage derailers have 37 teeth takeup.
    That one would match better since the top cog position matches better.

    Jasper

  8. "Jasper Janssen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Bob said:

    Back to my other point though... that's still a lot of chain. Is
    there a mechanism to take up the slack ?

    It's only 36 teeth, Deore and better long cage Shimano derailers (that's
    mountain long, not the 'road long' which is actually a medium cage) have a
    stated capacity of 43-45 teeth, conservatively estimated. It's a slightly
    large front range and a relatively small rear -- take a typical mountain
    cassette and chainring setup, 44/32/22 with an 11-34 -- that's 22+23=45
    teeth. Hell, the road 'triple' medium cage derailers have 37 teeth takeup.
    That one would match better since the top cog position matches better.

    Running a Deore front and rear derailleur on a 406 wheeled folder myself.

    Rear cassette: 8-speed 11-34 megarange
    44/32 ringset installed with a 52/40 waiting to go on.

    32x30 was giving 19.9 gear inches. 40x34 will give 22 gear inches - I didn't
    want to go with triple rings since I'm re-using the front derailleur.

    Strongly suggest a long-cage rear derailleur.

    BTW: aren't Bike Friday's 451 wheeled?

    Chris

  9. C.J.Patten said:

    BTW: aren't Bike Friday's 451 wheeled?

    The cheaper road/touring models (New World Tourist, Pocket Crusoe) and
    the mountain bike models (Pocket Gnu, Pocket Llama) are 406mm 20"
    wheels. The more expensive (Pocket Rocket, Air Glide) road bikes use
    the 451mm 20" wheels. Roughly speaking. They are all custom so you
    could get either wheel size on any model I suspect.

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