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  1. RonSonic said:

    Now do I think it's a big deal? Certainly not with gasoline, where a
    manufacturer who produced something notably incompatible with other


    brands would

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    certainly hear from the rest of the industry. But, genuine chemical


    engineers

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    tell me that in the case of motor oils this possible incompatibility


    is enough

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    of a factor as to discourage mixing.

    You should ask these "genuine" engineers specifically what they're
    talking about. I bet you don't get a coherent answer.

  2. Ron Sonic? said:
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    >>> Use the least expensive compatible chain, BTW, just like engine
    >>> oil.

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    >> That may not be the best advice (for the car).

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    > Oh? And I suppose one should not switch brands of gasoline because
    > the engine is used to one kind. I always buy Union Oil no less.
    > It costs more and must be better therefore.

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    As I understand it, different manufacturers add different
    "additive packages" to the base unleaded gasoline to complete
    their product. People Who Should Know (tm) tell me that it is best
    to not mix them. Same with oils.

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    Self serving advice. Just consider damage caused by adding Chevron
    motor oil to your Shell lubricated engine in a pinch and incurring
    engine damage. Such a manufacturer would be open to enormous
    damage claims. Besides, you ought to visit the refineries in your
    area to see what tankers line up to get filled. Terrible Herbst
    and Rotten Robbie as well as many other independents are filled at
    these noted brand name installations.

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    No doubt. We know that all of these products are based on a common
    stock shared and standardized throughout the industry. We also know
    that each company adds it's own additives as they load the trucks at
    the pumping station. Who knows what goes into the off-brand trucks.
    In the old days that was a favorite way of getting rid of various
    toxic byproducts, just mix 'em into the gasoline.

    The way you say that I take it you believe in conspiracies and don't
    believe in EPA and others monitor these substances that are dumped on
    the public to exhaust to our outdoors.

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    Oh yes, and always clean off any grease on a new chain before use,
    because it's only a preservative!!! (I've heard said.)

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    Anyway, not so much that the car's used to one or the other, but
    staying with a particular product gives you a fuel or lubricant
    that has been engineered to work. Mixing them does not.

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    I'm glad to hear you are brand loyal. Maybe you can explain what
    the advantage in that belief is.

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    Sorry, no brand loyalty. Just a knowledge that the combination of
    additives in any brand is tested to work well and that a combination
    with any other brand isn't.

    You keep saying that but where do you get this information that you
    allude to?

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    Now do I think it's a big deal? Certainly not with gasoline, where a
    manufacturer who produced something notably incompatible with other
    brands would certainly hear from the rest of the industry. But,
    genuine chemical engineers tell me that in the case of motor oils
    this possible incompatibility is enough of a factor as to discourage
    mixing.

    So why do you bring up this specious drivel? This seems to be a trend
    on wreck.bike, brought up just for the need to be contrary and to
    inject a bit of mystery science into discussions.

    [email hidden]

  3. Quoted message said:

    Really? KMC-10 (the box with the Campagnolo logo) is our preferred new
    bike chain.

    --
    Andrew Muzi

    Andy: Are you using the KMC-10 on both Campy & Shimano with good results?
    I've always liked KMC chains, but as I don't have a 10-speed drivetrain, I
    haven't tried that version on my own bike yet, and I'm hesitant to
    experiment on my customers.

    --Mike Jacoubowsky
    Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com

    Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
    "A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    I've always found front shifting performance to be better with Shimano
    chains than Wipperman or SRAM. The KMC chains I've tried have worked very
    well though.

    Paul Kopit said:

    I agree, particularly for front, chainring shifts. Not for 10 sp
    however.

    Really? KMC-10 (the box with the Campagnolo logo) is our preferred new
    bike chain.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  4. On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:33:03 GMT, Jim <[email hidden]>

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    How often should a chain be replaced on a road bike?

    When it wears out.

    How often *should* it wear out? That depends on a number of factors;
    riding conditions, brand and model of chain, sprocket condition,
    lubrication and cleaning habits, weather, and the local perversity of
    the universe all contribute to the end result. Typical values are
    anywhere from 2000 miles to 6000 miles, and some users' wear-out
    points lie outside those limits. *Your* mileage may vary.
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    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
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    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

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    A Muzi said:

    Sorry, not so.
    We're selling Campagnolo flat bar shfters now and the front is 'click'
    like brand S.

    Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    I know Andy, but it probably works better than the 'S' ones..

    Well ,I was disappointed. I expected "Ergo " function.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  6. On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:12:15 -0500, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

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    Really? KMC-10 (the box with the Campagnolo logo) is our
    preferred new bike chain.

    I haven't tried the KMC 10. I didn't like the one time use snap link
    on the 9sp chain and the front shifts weren't as good as HG chain.

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