chain lube?

Dave Larrington said:

Has anyone tried using LHM[2] (Citroen hydraulic fluid) as a lubricant?

That's the proper stuff to use in your MAgura brakes
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Paul Boyd said:

Er - google is an internet search engine :-)

You can find it by going to http://www.yahoo.com and typing "Google"
into the search box ;-)

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Dave Larrington said:

IME wax-based lubricants are the staple diet of Derailleur Mice. Finish
Line Cross-Country is pretty good, though when I get to the end of the
current bottle, I am minded to try chainsaw oil[1].

Chainsaw oil works really well on the fixie where a slighty scummy
drivetrain is not much of a problem but less well on the tourer where it
tends to pick up nastiness if you don't wipe the chain down with clean(ish)
rags a couple of times before riding. It's much less messy if applied from a
squeezy bottle or oilcan than any of the sprays I've tried which seemed to
be better at lubing the walls, floor and my trouser legs than the chain.

I've never tried the soak-lube technique. Maybe I shall.

Regards,

-david

"Alan Holmes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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ProLink Gold (available from Wiggle) is very good and the one I use. I
have heard reports that Purple Extreme is even better but I've not used
it myself yet - too many bottle of ProLink still on the shelf.

Very convenient bottle for application too. I find it good.

Jc.

Buck said:

On 01/05/2007 15:43:14 Daniel Barlow said:

Paul Boyd wrote:

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If you want to be able to take the chain off easily, use an SRAM chain
with a Powerlink. Once you've got the knack, these can be removed and
replaced without any tools - just your fingers.

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Powerlinks are weird. You can break the chain at a Powerlink in a matter
of seconds, but only if those seconds are preceded by at least three
minutes of fruitless struggle.

Takes me a couple of seconds, never a struggle.

[censored], it's three holds and a submission for me.

in message <[email hidden]>, AP

(') said:

I used to use 3-in-1, but then I read in Richard's Bicycle Book about
lubricating by dipping the whole thing in molten paraffin (ie candle)
wax. And it does work. But it needs redoing quite often, which is a bit
of a shag (you have to take the chain off) and I was wondering whether I
maybe shouldn't switch to using some kind of chain lube - Pedros Syn or
something. Any thoughts...?

I now use three different lubes for different bikes, which is a faff. But
one size does not fit all. The problem is that lubes which are clean and
non-sticky, and therefore do not attract dirt and grit, are also not
waterproof. Lubes which will stand up to exposure to water also attract
grit.

If you have a good weather bike, which is never used in the rain, White
Lightning is remarkably good. The chain rarely needs a full clean, and one
application of lubricant lasts - well, until the next time the bike is out
in the rain.

If you are cycling in dirty conditions, such as mountain biking but also
such as winter commuting, then you need something sticky. Finish Line
Cross Country is excellent. But it does pick up grit so you need to clean
the chain regularly, so you need to relube regularly.

Somewhere in between, I'm currently using White Lightning Epic on my winter
road bike. I have to say I'm not yet convinced. It is cleaner - much
cleaner - than Finish Line Cross Country - but it is much less tolerant of
rain.

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Apart from being the a brighter shade of the same colour as Finish Line
Oil, I can't see why it'd be any good. It's very thin. Perhaps it
doesn't pick up clag, I guess.

And forgoodnesssakes Dave, I can't remember if you have a car, but why
on earth would you abandon the hydraulic world if you did.

Does that imply you're another cit nerd?

Guilty.

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On 01/05/2007 15:43:14 Daniel Barlow said:

Paul Boyd wrote:

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> If you want to be able to take the chain off easily, use an SRAM chain
> with a Powerlink. Once you've got the knack, these can be removed and
> replaced without any tools - just your fingers.

Quoted message said:

Powerlinks are weird. You can break the chain at a Powerlink in a
matter of seconds, but only if those seconds are preceded by at least
three minutes of fruitless struggle.

Takes me a couple of seconds, never a struggle.

Just goes to show you're a clever beggar!(:-)

No, it's a knack. I can do it, too. It's the squeeze and push at the same
time that does it.

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George (') said:

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On 05/01/2007 17:49, Alan Holmes said,

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Who is 'Wiggle'?

Are you serious? Type it into google, and it's the first entry.

It's Alan Holmes. He's either very stupid, a troll, or both. I'm inclined
to one of the latter two.

One of the latter one, I think you will find.

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On 05/01/2007 21:55, Tosspot said,

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Buck said:

Takes me a couple of seconds, never a struggle.

[censored], it's three holds and a submission for me.

Hmm... there seem to be a fair few people who struggle with the
PowerLinks. I've found the instructions for you all:
http://www.sram.com/_media/techdocs/Chain_all_MTB_08_02.pdf - page 2 -
but not sure if that's much help!

They really are just a squeeze and a pull and they're broken.

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Blimey, who'd've thought you could unleash such a torrent of words merely by
uttering 'chain lube'? Interesting stuff tho'. Thanks to all. This being the
most interesting...it never occurred to me there might be different
solutions beyond a crude summer/winter. I commute in London. Five days a
week. It doesn't actually rain as much as you might think, but it does rain.
And there's a lot of [censored] on the roads. This ProGold stuff seems to have
quite a lot of fans. I thought this

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=10048

looked like quite a good bet...
"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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in message <[email hidden]>, AP

(') said:

I used to use 3-in-1, but then I read in Richard's Bicycle Book about
lubricating by dipping the whole thing in molten paraffin (ie candle)
wax. And it does work. But it needs redoing quite often, which is a bit
of a shag (you have to take the chain off) and I was wondering whether I
maybe shouldn't switch to using some kind of chain lube - Pedros Syn or
something. Any thoughts...?

I now use three different lubes for different bikes, which is a faff. But
one size does not fit all. The problem is that lubes which are clean and
non-sticky, and therefore do not attract dirt and grit, are also not
waterproof. Lubes which will stand up to exposure to water also attract
grit.

If you have a good weather bike, which is never used in the rain, White
Lightning is remarkably good. The chain rarely needs a full clean, and one
application of lubricant lasts - well, until the next time the bike is out
in the rain.

If you are cycling in dirty conditions, such as mountain biking but also
such as winter commuting, then you need something sticky. Finish Line
Cross Country is excellent. But it does pick up grit so you need to clean
the chain regularly, so you need to relube regularly.

Somewhere in between, I'm currently using White Lightning Epic on my

winter

Quoted message said:

road bike. I have to say I'm not yet convinced. It is cleaner - much
cleaner - than Finish Line Cross Country - but it is much less tolerant of
rain.

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AP wrote on 06/01/2007 01:27 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Blimey, who'd've thought you could unleash such a torrent of words merely by
uttering 'chain lube'? Interesting stuff tho'. Thanks to all. This being the
most interesting...it never occurred to me there might be different
solutions beyond a crude summer/winter. I commute in London. Five days a
week. It doesn't actually rain as much as you might think, but it does rain.
And there's a lot of [censored] on the roads. This ProGold stuff seems to have
quite a lot of fans. I thought this

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=10048

looked like quite a good bet...

I've got a couple of bottles on the garage shelf that I never use. Its
nowhere near as good as Prolink IMO.

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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On 01/05/2007 22:31:16 Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Clive
George ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Paul Boyd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On 05/01/2007 17:49, Alan Holmes said,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Who is 'Wiggle'?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are you serious? Type it into google, and it's the first entry.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's Alan Holmes. He's either very stupid, a troll, or both. I'm
inclined to one of the latter two.

Quoted message said:

One of the latter one, I think you will find.

Not everyone in the Universe knows who Wiggle are, assuming someone
is stupid or a troll because they do not know a certain cycle
retailer makes you an [censored], but then you have proved that time and
time again Simon. Actually I think you are the troll.

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I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

Buck wrote on 06/01/2007 08:11 +0100:

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Not everyone in the Universe knows who Wiggle are, assuming someone
is stupid or a troll because they do not know a certain cycle
retailer makes you an [censored], but then you have proved that time and
time again Simon. Actually I think you are the troll.

And some are too dumb to use Google to find out.

Quoted message said:

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

I would rather you were too.

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Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
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Tony Raven said:

I've got a couple of bottles on the garage shelf that I never use. Its
nowhere near as good as Prolink IMO.

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Dumonde Tech BCL seems to be getting rave reviews in the USA at the
mo., but I don't think it's available in UK 🙁

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On 01/05/2007 22:31:16 Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Clive
George ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Paul Boyd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

> On 05/01/2007 17:49, Alan Holmes said,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> Who is 'Wiggle'?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Are you serious? Type it into google, and it's the first entry.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's Alan Holmes. He's either very stupid, a troll, or both. I'm
inclined to one of the latter two.

Quoted message said:

One of the latter one, I think you will find.

Not everyone in the Universe knows who Wiggle are, assuming someone
is stupid or a troll because they do not know a certain cycle
retailer makes you an [censored], but then you have proved that time and
time again Simon. Actually I think you are the troll.

Alan Holmes is well known for his postings to a number of groups...

"AP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Blimey, who'd've thought you could unleash such a torrent of words merely
by
uttering 'chain lube'? Interesting stuff tho'. Thanks to all.

When I was young, I used to use WD40 - although any mention of WD40 on such
a thread will bring about much tutting and head shaking. It never *seemed*
to do my bike any harm - I just gave the chain a good spray every time I
went out.

Peter

AP said:

Blimey, who'd've thought you could unleash such a torrent of words merely by
uttering 'chain lube'? Interesting stuff tho'. Thanks to all. This being the
most interesting...it never occurred to me there might be different
solutions beyond a crude summer/winter. I commute in London. Five days a
week. It doesn't actually rain as much as you might think, but it does rain.
And there's a lot of [censored] on the roads. This ProGold stuff seems to have
quite a lot of fans. I thought this

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=10048

looked like quite a good bet...
"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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in message <[email hidden]>, AP
([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

<snip>

Nope, that was surprisingly light for what happens when chain cleaning
and lube methods and schedules are mentioned.

It's a bit like going into the pub and starting a conversation with
"top bloke that Buddha. Of course, if he was around now, he would have
voted Conservative, found WMD in Iraq, and supported Spurs."

It's just one of those topics that pushes the buttons, and on which
everyone has an opinion. In certain other groups (r.b.t, I'm looking
in your general direction), it's liable to provoke furious argument,
enginering diagrams and quite possibly death threats.

The other one is the 800 pound gorilla topic, currently sitting asleep
in the corner, whose name I shall not mention, even with the
traditional '****' in place of the 'elme' bit. Don't want t wake the
bugger up...

Regards,

bookieb.

bookieb said:

AP said:

Blimey, who'd've thought you could unleash such a torrent of words merely by
uttering 'chain lube'? Interesting stuff tho'. Thanks to all. This being the
most interesting...it never occurred to me there might be different
solutions beyond a crude summer/winter. I commute in London. Five days a
week. It doesn't actually rain as much as you might think, but it does rain.
And there's a lot of [censored] on the roads. This ProGold stuff seems to have
quite a lot of fans. I thought this

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=10048

looked like quite a good bet...
"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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in message <[email hidden]>, AP
([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

<snip>

Nope, that was surprisingly light for what happens when chain cleaning
and lube methods and schedules are mentioned.

It's a bit like going into the pub and starting a conversation with
"top bloke that Buddha. Of course, if he was around now, he would have
voted Conservative, found WMD in Iraq, and supported Spurs."

It's just one of those topics that pushes the buttons, and on which
everyone has an opinion. In certain other groups (r.b.t, I'm looking
in your general direction), it's liable to provoke furious argument,
enginering diagrams and quite possibly death threats.

The other one is the 800 pound gorilla topic, currently sitting asleep
in the corner, whose name I shall not mention, even with the
traditional '****' in place of the 'elme' bit. Don't want t wake the
bugger up...

Ssshhhh! I think he stirred.....

AP said:

I used to use 3-in-1, but then I read in Richard's Bicycle Book about
lubricating by dipping the whole thing in molten paraffin (ie candle) wax.
And it does work. But it needs redoing quite often, which is a bit of a shag
(you have to take the chain off) and I was wondering whether I maybe
shouldn't switch to using some kind of chain lube - Pedros Syn or something.
Any thoughts...?

Any oil that gets into the bearing pins is good, the thicker the better
- so if you get a spray can of oil, the propelant thins the oil down to
aid penetration, then evaporates to leave a thicker oil in the place
it's needed. This is how the hot dip wax & grease get into the chain,
they thin the lubricant with heat. Wax and grease are similar in that
they hold the oil at the bearing, which does the lubrication.
Spray the oil between the side plates so that it runs down the small
gap and into the bearing areas. Oil on the outside gives corrosion
protection and attracts dirt.

Mark
Ex Renold chain, now working for a lube company
PS I spray my chain