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Cesium cures cancer (contd)

Carole · 2004-04-22T11:25:50+00:00

Reply to DRCEEPHD from 22/1/04 Subject: Re: Cesium Cures Cancer? From: [email hidden] (Carole) Date: 1/20/04 7:58 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden] I don't think it matters whether an animal is a herbivore, vegan, vegetarian, frugivore and carnivore. Sorry, but it matters a great deal. It determines what your true food stuff is. And all animals, except man, eats its food as the creature finds it. That includes catching prey to the other end whereby you eat dead creatures, or maybe you just eat plants. It matters and it matters a lot. What I mean is that all animals and plants need to have the correct pH, which is achieved adding some form of calcium and/or other alkalizing minerals. This is the principle which I'm referring to - achieving the optimal pH for the animal. I think the principle is the same even for plants. Some plants will thrive in a more acid or alkaline medium but the calcium needs to be kept in balance with other nutrients. Different plants will thrive in different soils is true enough. All farmers have to recognize this fact and adjust their soil pH. All things need to be in balance. If not, you will deplete yourself of something and become unbalanced. This is true of vitamins as well as minerals. I think what stops bone turning to stone is to keep calcium in balance with the other minerals. I've been taking mega amounts of calcium for 27 years now and have heard that large amounts of calcium can result in kidney stones, but this hasn't happened. Keeping the calcium in balance with other minerals is the key and this is where an understanding of cellsalts comes in I cannot argue your positive experience. Balance is essential. However, a stressed body will act to counter any stress. If your calcium intake exceeds your need or is harmful, your own innate body intelligence will reduce your ability to absorb the offending substance while at the same time increasing your ability to store and/or excrete the offending substance. This sounds correct. With a knowledge of cellsalts a person is able to keep the calcium in balance with the other cellsalts and avoid the problem of bone turning to stone, which is just another name for arthritis isn't it? I cannot agree here. You probably don't understand what I'm saying here. Arthritis occurs in 5 basic forms. All the billions of dollars in research now allows the rheumatologist to claim to be able to define over 100 forms of arthritis. Big deal for the money spent 'cause the patient is still left with arthritis. The cellsalt theory doesn't depend on diagnosing any particular disease, but merely treats symptoms i.e., "Should a deficiency occur in one or more of these workers, of whom there are twelve, some abnormal condition arises. These abnormal conditions are known by the general term disease, and according as they manifest themselves in different parts of the body, they have been designated by various names. "But these names totally fail to express the real trouble. Every disease which afflicts the human race is due to a lack of one or more of these inorganic workers. Every pain or unpleasant sensation indicates a lack of some inorganic constituent of the body. Health and strength can be maintained only so long as the system is properly supplied with these call-salts." -- the biochemic handbook by JB Chapman MD and Edward L Perry MD Arthritis has its genesis in toxemia. An accumulation of toxins in the body. Secondarily, the body is becoming acidic. The toxemia combined with the metabolic acidosis upsets the enzyme balance in the body. Couple this with a mineral imbalance ( Calcium, magnesium, and phosphorous ) and you have set the stage for arthritis in all its forms. The two main problems to be corrected with arthritis seems to be the acidosis ( which upsets the enzymes in the joints ) and a sulfur deficiency. Calcium, phosphorus, magnesium and sulphur are cellsalts. But there is another cellsalt which doesn't get any recognition by conventional or alternative medicine - silica, or silicon dioxide. This cellsalt is extremely important in the treatment of arthritic or rheumatic conditions as well as bone growth. Enzymes aren't cellsalts. I don't think enzymes are a nutritional element but probably form from nutritional elements. Correct me if I'm wrong. I know that bad bacteria and friendly bacteria change in accordance with their environment and don't have to be ingested as such. So all those friendly bacillus (or whatever) yoghurts are just a waste of money. Correct the acididosis, allowing the enzymes to once againg perform correctly, and corect the mineal inmbalance and you recover from arthritis. Acidity and toxemia are treated with cellsalts The following article gives details of minerals/cellsalts which determine correct acidity You are alkaline - http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=68- 1f8n%24du0%40bgtnsc03. worldnet.att.net&output=gplain You have been healed. To be cured is worthless. The treatments for looking after horses on the Horses are like cows. They do not have the enzymes to digest the stuff they eat. It is in their stomachs ( plural ) with alll the associated bacteria. It is the bacteria that digests the food for the horse, and the same for the cow, the goat, etc. Would you like to explain enzymes a little, ta. We cannot compare the digestive system of a horse to a human any more than we can that of the rat or mouse. This is another failing of modern medicine. Of course. But what they do have in common is a need for nutrients /minerals. DrC PhD Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm

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Carole
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22 April 2004, 11:25 UTC #1

Reply to DRCEEPHD from 22/1/04
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Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Cesium Cures Cancer? From:
[email hidden] (Carole) Date: 1/20/04 7:58 PM
Eastern Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden] I don't
think it matters whether an animal is a herbivore, vegan,
vegetarian, frugivore and carnivore.
Quoted message said:
Sorry, but it matters a great deal. It determines what
your true

food stuff
Quoted message said:
is. And all animals, except man, eats its food as the
creature

finds it.
Quoted message said:
That includes catching prey to the other end whereby
you eat dead

creatures, or
Quoted message said:
maybe you just eat plants.
Quoted message said:
It matters and it matters a lot.
What I mean is that all animals and plants need to have
the correct pH, which is achieved adding some form of
calcium and/or other alkalizing minerals. This is the
principle which I'm referring to - achieving the optimal
pH for the animal.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I think the principle is the same even for plants. Some
plants will thrive in a more acid or alkaline medium but
the calcium needs to be kept in balance with other
nutrients.
Quoted message said:
Different plants will thrive in different soils is true
enough. All

farmers
Quoted message said:
have to recognize this fact and adjust their soil pH.
All things

need to be in
Quoted message said:
balance. If not, you will deplete yourself of something
and become

unbalanced.
Quoted message said:
This is true of vitamins as well as minerals.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I think what stops bone turning to stone is to keep
calcium in

balance
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
with the other minerals. I've been taking mega amounts
of calcium

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
27 years now and have heard that large amounts of
calcium can result in kidney stones, but this hasn't
happened. Keeping the calcium in balance with other
minerals is the key and this is where an understanding
of cellsalts comes in
Quoted message said:
I cannot argue your positive experience. Balance is
essential.
Quoted message said:
However, a stressed body will act to counter any stress.
If your calcium intake exceeds your need or is harmful,
your own innate body

intelligence will
Quoted message said:
reduce your ability to absorb the offending substance
while at the

same time
Quoted message said:
increasing your ability to store and/or excrete the
offending

substance.
This sounds correct.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
With a knowledge of cellsalts a person is able to keep the
calcium in balance with

the
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
other cellsalts and avoid the problem of bone turning
to stone,

which
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
is just another name for arthritis isn't it?
Quoted message said:
I cannot agree here.
You probably don't understand what I'm saying here.
Quoted message said:
Arthritis occurs in 5 basic forms. All the billions of
dollars in

research now
Quoted message said:
allows the rheumatologist to claim to be able to
define over 100

forms of
Quoted message said:
arthritis. Big deal for the money spent 'cause the
patient is still

left with
Quoted message said:
arthritis.
The cellsalt theory doesn't depend on diagnosing any
particular disease, but merely treats symptoms i.e.,
"Should a deficiency occur in one or more of these workers,
of whom there are twelve, some abnormal condition arises.
These abnormal conditions are known by the general term
disease, and according as they manifest themselves in
different parts of the body, they have been designated by
various names.
"But these names totally fail to express the real trouble.
Every disease which afflicts the human race is due to a lack
of one or more of these inorganic workers. Every pain or
unpleasant sensation indicates a lack of some inorganic
constituent of the body. Health and strength can be
maintained only so long as the system is properly supplied
with these call-salts." -- the biochemic handbook by JB
Chapman MD and Edward L Perry MD
Quoted message said:
Arthritis has its genesis in toxemia. An accumulation of
toxins in

the body.
Quoted message said:
Secondarily, the body is becoming acidic.
Quoted message said:
The toxemia combined with the metabolic acidosis upsets
the enzyme

balance in
Quoted message said:
the body. Couple this with a mineral imbalance ( Calcium,
magnesium,

and
Quoted message said:
phosphorous ) and you have set the stage for arthritis
in all its

forms. The
Quoted message said:
two main problems to be corrected with arthritis seems
to be the

acidosis (
Quoted message said:
which upsets the enzymes in the joints ) and a sulfur
deficiency.
Calcium, phosphorus, magnesium and sulphur are cellsalts.
But there is another cellsalt which doesn't get any
recognition by conventional or alternative medicine -
silica, or silicon dioxide. This cellsalt is extremely
important in the treatment of arthritic or rheumatic
conditions as well as bone growth.
Enzymes aren't cellsalts. I don't think enzymes are a
nutritional element but probably form from nutritional
elements. Correct me if I'm wrong. I know that bad bacteria
and friendly bacteria change in accordance with their
environment and don't have to be ingested as such. So all
those friendly bacillus (or whatever) yoghurts are just a
waste of money.
Quoted message said:
Correct the acididosis, allowing the enzymes to once
againg perform

correctly,
Quoted message said:
and corect the mineal inmbalance and you recover from
arthritis.
Acidity and toxemia are treated with cellsalts
The following article gives details of minerals/cellsalts
which determine correct acidity
You are alkaline - groups.google.comgroups
1f8n%24du0%40bgtnsc03. worldnet.att.net&output=gplain
Quoted message said:
You have been healed. To be cured is worthless.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
The treatments for looking after horses on the
Quoted message said:
Horses are like cows. They do not have the enzymes to
digest the

stuff they
Quoted message said:
eat. It is in their stomachs ( plural ) with alll the
associated

bacteria. It
Quoted message said:
is the bacteria that digests the food for the horse, and
the same for

the cow,
Quoted message said:
the goat, etc.
Would you like to explain enzymes a little, ta.
Quoted message said:
We cannot compare the digestive system of a horse to a
human any more

than we
Quoted message said:
can that of the rat or mouse. This is another failing
of modern

medicine.
Of course. But what they do have in common is a need for
nutrients /minerals.
Quoted message said:
DrC PhD
Carole austarmetro.com.auacidity.htm

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Anth
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22 April 2004, 11:25 UTC #2

[monstrous snipping]
"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Reply to DRCEEPHD from 22/1/04 Enzymes aren't cellsalts. I
don't think enzymes are a nutritional element but probably
form from nutritional elements. Correct me if I'm wrong. I
know that bad bacteria and friendly bacteria change in
accordance with their environment and don't have to be
ingested as such. So all those friendly bacillus (or
whatever) yoghurts are just a waste of money. Would you
like to explain enzymes a little, ta.
Enzymes are essential biochemical catalysts which help to
cleave molecules, kind of like putting a chisel into a crack
in a rock and then hitting it with a hammer. Some examples,
beta carotene (from vegetables?) is cleaved by b-carotene
dioxygenase to produce retinal, which in turn is reduced
into retinol (vitamin a) by retinaldehyde reductase.
(Carrots are a good safe souce of vitamin a, as the body
won't produce enough to make the liver toxic)
Non primates contain the neccesary enzyme steps to produce
ascorbate (vitamin c) from glucose. We as humans lack a
certain step in this process and therefore cannot make
ascorbate like they do. Without sufficient ascorbate you
would certainly die a horrible death, unless you are one of
the lucky (and rare) people who can manufacture enough to
keep scurvy at bay. Scurvy is a disease caused by lack of
sufficient dietry ascorbate (in humans faulty enzyme steps)
- I've not looked up cell salts - is ascorbate listed as
part of them? Non primates - the ones who don't synthesise
ascorbate don't suffer heart disease like we do (Rath)
Cancer cells have a thick coating around them of fibrin
which makes it hard for the immune system to attack them.
Sufficient trypsin (another enzyme made by the human body -
part of the immune system) will dissolve the fibrin coat and
the body can then attack the cell. This is the basis of the
enzyme treatment of cancer. People with cancer lack certain
enzymes - namely trypsin (Wolf)
(In a nutshell, enzymes are pretty damn important!)
Cheers Anth

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Carole
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26 April 2004, 00:45 UTC #3

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
[monstrous snipping] "Carole" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Reply to DRCEEPHD from 22/1/04 Enzymes aren't cellsalts.
I don't think enzymes are a nutritional element but
probably form from nutritional elements. Correct me if
I'm wrong. I know that bad bacteria and friendly
bacteria change in accordance with their environment and
don't have to be ingested as such. So all those friendly
bacillus (or whatever) yoghurts are just a waste of
money. Would you like to explain enzymes a little, ta.
Enzymes are essential biochemical catalysts which help to
cleave molecules, kind of like putting a chisel into a
crack in a rock and then hitting it with a hammer. Some
examples, beta carotene (from vegetables?) is cleaved by
b-carotene dioxygenase to produce retinal, which in turn
is reduced into retinol (vitamin a) by retinaldehyde
reductase. (Carrots are a good safe souce of vitamin a, as
the body won't produce enough to make the liver toxic)
Non primates contain the neccesary enzyme steps to produce
ascorbate (vitamin c) from glucose. We as humans lack a
certain step in this process and therefore cannot make
ascorbate like they do. Without sufficient ascorbate you
would certainly die a horrible death, unless you are one
of the lucky (and rare) people who can manufacture enough
to keep scurvy at bay. Scurvy is a disease caused by lack
of sufficient dietry ascorbate (in humans faulty enzyme
steps) - I've not looked up cell salts - is ascorbate
listed as part of them?
I don't think so. No form of any cellsalt that I've ever
seen has ascorbate in its description except maybe calcium
in the form of calcium ascorbate (calcium can be taken in
many forms and still functions as a cellsalt is supposed
to). But I don't know what this is, not being chemically or
scientifically trained. Is calcium ascorbate calcium or
vitamin c, or both?
Maybe all cellsalts could be taken in an ascorbate form,
although they are usually taken in homeopathic form. I can
vaguely remember DrC mentioning that the best form of
calcium is calcium ascorbate and maybe this is why, because
of it connection to enzymes. Do enzymes stop a person
getting osteoporosis, or acid conditions like rheumatism?
The funny thing about vitamin C is that I've never noticed
any deficiency symptoms ... except after consuming alcohol.
I notice the next day I always feel like consuming orange
juice or other fruit. This could be interpreted as a desire
for vitamin C.
Quoted message said:
Non primates - the ones who don't synthesise ascorbate
don't suffer heart disease like we do (Rath)
Cancer cells have a thick coating around them of fibrin
which makes it hard for the immune system to attack them.
Sufficient trypsin (another enzyme made by the human body
- part of the immune system) will dissolve the fibrin coat
and the body can then attack the cell. This is the basis
of the enzyme treatment of cancer. People with cancer lack
certain enzymes - namely trypsin (Wolf)
Is this genetic or due to dietary deficiencies? Does a
person on a normal health diet get a deficiency? We all know
that people eating devitalised, highly processed diets have
deficiencies of many essential elements.
Quoted message said:
(In a nutshell, enzymes are pretty damn important!)
Cheers Anth
Carole austarmetro.com.aucellsalts.htm

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Anth
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26 April 2004, 08:00 UTC #4

[snip]
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Scurvy is a disease caused by lack of sufficient dietry
ascorbate (in

humans
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
faulty enzyme steps) - I've not looked up cell salts -
is ascorbate

listed
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
as part of them?
I don't think so. No form of any cellsalt that I've ever
seen has ascorbate in its description except maybe calcium
in the form of calcium ascorbate (calcium can be taken in
many forms and still functions as a cellsalt is supposed
to). But I don't know what this is, not being chemically
or scientifically trained. Is calcium ascorbate calcium or
vitamin c, or both?
Calcium ascorbate is vitamin c, which would count towards
your RDA of calcium.
Quoted message said:
Maybe all cellsalts could be taken in an ascorbate form,
although they are usually taken in homeopathic form. I can
vaguely remember DrC mentioning that the best form of
calcium is calcium ascorbate and maybe this is why,
because of it connection to enzymes. Do enzymes stop a
person getting osteoporosis, or acid conditions like
rheumatism?
If cellsalts are taken in homeopathic form then you are
essentially taking no cell salts. Anyone selling you
homeopathic cellsalts is ripping you off big time. How would
you like someone to give you a bar of homeopathic gold at a
knock down price? Ascorbate intake reverses osteoporisis in
misc as I recall.
Quoted message said:
The funny thing about vitamin C is that I've never noticed
any deficiency symptoms ... except after consuming
alcohol. I notice the next day I always feel like
consuming orange juice or other fruit. This could be
interpreted as a desire for vitamin C.
You are probably just hungry or fancy something sweet.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Non primates - the ones who don't synthesise ascorbate
don't suffer

heart
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
disease like we do (Rath)
Cancer cells have a thick coating around them of fibrin
which makes it

hard
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
for the immune system to attack them. Sufficient trypsin
(another enzyme made by the human body - part of the
immune system) will dissolve the fibrin coat and the
body can then

attack
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
the cell. This is the basis of the enzyme treatment of
cancer. People with cancer

lack
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
certain enzymes - namely trypsin (Wolf)
Is this genetic or due to dietary deficiencies? Does a
person on a normal health diet get a deficiency? We all
know that people eating devitalised, highly processed
diets have deficiencies of many essential elements.
Humans don't make ascorbate in their livers due to a
genetic cause, you can read about this cause by googling
Irwin Stone Anth
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
(In a nutshell, enzymes are pretty damn important!)
Cheers Anth
Carole austarmetro.com.aucellsalts.htm

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Anth
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27 April 2004, 11:44 UTC #5

If you put pure water in a plastic container, then
eventually the water will taste of the container. Usually
this is unpleasant. I have bought distilled water from the
chemist and it doesn't taste nice. Anth
"Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:A9ednWX7je3sXxDdRVn-
[email hidden]...
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I have taken a few homeopathic remedies that taste like
[censored]. Funny how

pure
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water could do that.
These homeopathic know-it-alls drive me crazy with their
1880 knowledge.
"DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040426184447.25217.00000290@mb-
m22.aol.com...
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Subject: Re: Cesium cures cancer (contd) From: "Anth"
[email hidden] Date: 4/26/04 3:41 AM Eastern
Daylight Time Message-id: <T8-
[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Calcium ascorbate is vitamin c, which would count
towards your RDA of calcium.
How is calcium found in plant sources? This is the form
that the

human
Quoted message said:
body
Quoted message said:
needs and is looking for.
How is vitamin C found in plants ( fruits )? This is the
form that the

human
Quoted message said:
body needs and is looking for.
Both will be associated with other organics forming a
bionutritional

complex.
Quoted message said:
Man has yet to understand this or come up with a
counterpart which will

work
Quoted message said:
the same.
Quoted message said:
If cellsalts are taken in homeopathic form then you are
essentially

taking
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
no cell salts.
This is the part of homeopathy objection that I object
to. Many, if not

most,
Quoted message said:
of the remedies contain measurable amounts of the
mecical ingredients.

They
Quoted message said:
are present is such small quantities that our analytical
techniques

cannot
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
measure them, but that does not mean that they are not
there.
Quoted message said:
Ascorbate intake reverses osteoporisis in misc as I
recall.
What are you saying here? You think ascorbate intake can
reverse a

Ca/Mg/PO4
Quoted message said:
deficiency and correct the metabolic acidosis of a
lifetime? I don't think soooo.
DrC PhD

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Anth
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27 April 2004, 12:22 UTC #6

Also another thing. I saw a posting on the Hacres site about
someone who had followed the diet perfectly. They got cancer
and were asking questions why? I saw people saying that they
probably had cancer before the diet. This is atkin to me
what religions say when you ask for something and don't get
it, god didn't want to give you it or you didn't have faith.
They always have their excuses, which imo are totally
unfair. Anth
"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n7CdnSTfn9YX2xPdRVn-
[email hidden]...
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"DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040426184447.25217.00000290@mb-
m22.aol.com...
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Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Cesium cures cancer (contd) From: "Anth"
[email hidden] Date: 4/26/04 3:41 AM Eastern
Daylight Time Message-id: <T8-
[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Calcium ascorbate is vitamin c, which would count
towards your RDA of calcium.
How is calcium found in plant sources? This is the form
that the

human
Quoted message said:
body
Quoted message said:
needs and is looking for.
How is vitamin C found in plants ( fruits )? This is the
form that the

human
Quoted message said:
body needs and is looking for.
Both will be associated with other organics forming a
bionutritional

complex.
Quoted message said:
Man has yet to understand this or come up with a
counterpart which will

work
Quoted message said:
the same.
Quoted message said:
If cellsalts are taken in homeopathic form then you are
essentially

taking
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
no cell salts.
This is the part of homeopathy objection that I object
to. Many, if not

most,
Quoted message said:
of the remedies contain measurable amounts of the
mecical ingredients.

They
Quoted message said:
are present is such small quantities that our analytical
techniques

cannot
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
measure them, but that does not mean that they are not
there.
How can you assert that the medicinal ingredients are in
there if you

can't
Quoted message said:
measure them? On pure statistical basis very little (if
any) of the original substance

is
Quoted message said:
acually left in the liquid as it has been diluted
thousands of times.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Ascorbate intake reverses osteoporisis in misc as I
recall.
What are you saying here? You think ascorbate intake can
reverse a

Ca/Mg/PO4
Quoted message said:
deficiency and correct the metabolic acidosis of a
lifetime? I don't think soooo.
I know artifical ascorbate intake can remove the symptoms
of scurvy - the science is there to back it up. If you
think that plants are the main medicine, then how come
indians and tribes had medicine men? Surely they would be
eating all organic nice foods and nature woudl keep them
in harmony? Cancer has been around for thousands of years
(long before the industrial revolution) as evidenced by
fossils records.
Quoted message said:
DrC PhD
Anth

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17 May 2004, 09:28 UTC #7

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
[snip]
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Scurvy is a disease caused by lack of sufficient
dietry ascorbate (in

humans
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
faulty enzyme steps) - I've not looked up cell salts -
is ascorbate

listed
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
as part of them?
I don't think so. No form of any cellsalt that I've ever
seen has ascorbate in its description except maybe
calcium in the form of calcium ascorbate (calcium can be
taken in many forms and still functions as a cellsalt is
supposed to). But I don't know what this is, not being
chemically or scientifically trained. Is calcium
ascorbate calcium or vitamin c, or both?
Calcium ascorbate is vitamin c, which would count towards
your RDA of calcium.
Therefore calcium ascorbate is both vitamin C and calcium -
combined somehow. I'm not into chemistry or physics - I work
things out my own way.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Maybe all cellsalts could be taken in an ascorbate form,
although they are usually taken in homeopathic form. I
can vaguely remember DrC mentioning that the best form
of calcium is calcium ascorbate and maybe this is why,
because of it connection to enzymes. Do enzymes stop a
person getting osteoporosis, or acid conditions like
rheumatism?
If cellsalts are taken in homeopathic form then you are
essentially taking no cell salts. Anyone selling you
homeopathic cellsalts is ripping you off big time. How
would you like someone to give you a bar of homeopathic
gold at a knock down price? Ascorbate intake reverses
osteoporisis in misc as I recall.
Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does this
happen? Not by the current material laws of science, but by
including ether in the equation.
Tesla said of ether Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla July
10, 1937 lostartsmedia.comnikolatesla.html
"Only the existence of a field of force can account for them
and its assumption dispenses with space curvature. All
literature on this subject is futile and destined to
oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the workings
of the universe without recognizing the existence of the
ether and the indispensable function it plays in the
phenomena."
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
The funny thing about vitamin C is that I've never
noticed any deficiency symptoms ... except after
consuming alcohol. I notice the next day I always feel
like consuming orange juice or other fruit. This could
be interpreted as a desire for vitamin C.
You are probably just hungry or fancy something sweet.
Or just maybe my body is telling me something.
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<T8-
[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
[snip]
Quoted message said:
> Scurvy is a disease caused by lack of sufficient
> dietry ascorbate (in

humans
Quoted message said:
> faulty enzyme steps) - I've not looked up cell salts
> - is ascorbate

listed
Quoted message said:
> as part of them?
I don't think so. No form of any cellsalt that I've
ever seen has ascorbate in its description except maybe
calcium in the form of calcium ascorbate (calcium can
be taken in many forms and still functions as a
cellsalt is supposed to). But I don't know what this
is, not being chemically or scientifically trained. Is
calcium ascorbate calcium or vitamin c, or both?
Calcium ascorbate is vitamin c, which would count towards
your RDA of calcium.
Therefore calcium ascorbate is both vitamin C and calcium -
combined somehow. I'm not into chemistry or physics - I
work things out my own way.
In that case, you really should come up with your own
vocabulary for things as well. You see, "vitamin C" and
"calcium" and so on are terms that derive from chemistry.
Since you're not actually talking about chemistry, you
should avoid appropriating their terms. This way, you will
both make it clear that you're on your own astral plane, and
that you are completely ignorant of chemistry, physics, etc.
Quoted message said:
Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does this
happen? Not by the current material laws of science, but by
including ether in the equation.
Ah -- now it becomes clear. Carole is abusing ether at home.
Quoted message said:
Tesla said of ether Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla July
10, 1937 lostartsmedia.comnikolatesla.html
The existence of the ether (or aether) was disproved by
the Michaelson-Morley experiments decades before Tesla
wrote this.
Tesla was a brilliant inventor, but then so was Edison, who
also made a number of silly statements. (You quote Tesla,
"Dr" Cee quotes Edison. There's a nice symmetry here.)
Quoted message said:
"Only the existence of a field of force can account for
them and its assumption dispenses with space curvature. All
literature on this subject is futile and destined to
oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the workings
of the universe without recognizing the existence of the
ether and the indispensable function it plays in the
phenomena."
And yet it was Tesla's opinion that went down into oblivion,
while modern physics continues to cruise along. I'm sure
you'll explain that by conspiracy. I explain it by saying
that Tesla was wrong.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
The funny thing about vitamin C is that I've never
noticed any deficiency symptoms ... except after
consuming alcohol. I notice the next day I always feel
like consuming orange juice or other fruit. This could
be interpreted as a desire for vitamin C.
You are probably just hungry or fancy something sweet.
Or just maybe my body is telling me something.
Or you have a vivid imagination, which we already know
is the case.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does
this happen? Not by the current material laws of science,
but by including ether in the equation.
Ah -- now it becomes clear. Carole is abusing ether
at home.
Actually I found the ether explanation at Walter
Last's website.
users.mrbean.net.auHomeopathy.html
"homeopathy cannot be understood as a substance based
method, such as drug medicine or herbalism where any healing
effect is due to chemical reactions. A simple calculation
shows that in the higher potencies not a single molecule of
the original substance will be present. But these high
potencies are often more effective than low potencies.
Therefore, homeopathy can only be understood as working with
energy remedies.
"The explanation is that every natural substance has an
etheric field around its molecular structure. The special
shaking action or potentizing used in homeopathy separates
the etheric fields from their material substance. The latter
is then discarded and the former concentrated. These
concentrated etheric fields are much more potent in this way
than when they were combined with matter. Similar etheric
concentrates can be produced with radionics instruments. The
healing effect of such concentrates depends on their
vibrational frequency. Because of this the name vibrational
medicine has been coined for these methods."
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Tesla said of ether Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla
July 10, 1937
lostartsmedia.comnikolatesla.html
The existence of the ether (or aether) was disproved by
the Michaelson-Morley experiments decades before Tesla
wrote this.
Tesla was a brilliant inventor, but then so was Edison,
who also made a number of silly statements
Like you Dave.
Tesla was responsible for many great discoveries, including
radio, television, fluorescent and neon lighting,
helicopters, lasers, particle beams and alternating current.
He had around 300 patents at the US patent office, a lot of
which haven't been developed including free energy which has
been suppressed.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
"Only the existence of a field of force can account for
them and its assumption dispenses with space curvature.
All literature on this subject is futile and destined to
oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the
workings of the universe without recognizing the
existence of the ether and the indispensable function it
plays in the phenomena."
And yet it was Tesla's opinion that went down into
oblivion, while modern physics continues to cruise along.
I'm sure you'll explain that by conspiracy. I explain it
by saying that Tesla was wrong.
I explain it by saying it was suppressed, like many
inventions that would benefit mankind. This is where
powerful cartels come into the picture i.e., banking and
money, medical and pharmaceutical, transport and energy,
political, intelligence, religions, and education.
This is why 5% of the people control 95% of the world's
wealth which means 95% of the people live off 5% of the
wealth and the gap between the rich and the poor is still
growing. Time for a change, don't you think Dave?
Carole
austarmetro.com.auglobalisation.htm

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does
this happen? Not by the current material laws of
science, but by including ether in the equation.
Ah -- now it becomes clear. Carole is abusing ether
at home.
Actually I found the ether explanation at Walter
Last's website.
users.mrbean.net.auHomeopathy.html
"homeopathy cannot be understood as a substance based
method, such as drug medicine or herbalism where any
healing effect is due to chemical reactions. A simple
calculation shows that in the higher potencies not a single
molecule of the original substance will be present. But
these high potencies are often more effective than low
potencies. Therefore, homeopathy can only be understood as
working with energy remedies.
No, homeopathy can be understood as being due to the
placebo effect, which is a much easier and simpler
explanation than dragging in a bunch of undetectable
"energy" fields. If homeopathy were as effective and as
wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim, it'd be
child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet
we have no such results.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Tesla said of ether Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla
July 10, 1937
lostartsmedia.comnikolatesla.html
The existence of the ether (or aether) was disproved by
the Michaelson-Morley experiments decades before Tesla
wrote this.
Tesla was a brilliant inventor, but then so was Edison,
who also made a number of silly statements
Like you Dave.
Tesla was responsible for many great discoveries, including
radio, television, fluorescent and neon lighting,
helicopters, lasers, particle beams and alternating
current. He had around 300 patents at the US patent office,
a lot of which haven't been developed including free energy
which has been suppressed.
Lasers were not developed until decades after Tesla's
death, the helicopter he had nothing to do with, television
was invented by several people (including Philo T.
Farnsworth -- isn't that a wonderful name?). Particle beams
are much more recent. Tesla was the big gun behind
alternating current, however.
If Tesla had a patent on free energy, anyone could go get a
copy of it and try it out. Patents are not "hidden."
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
"Only the existence of a field of force can account for
them and its assumption dispenses with space curvature.
All literature on this subject is futile and destined to
oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the
workings of the universe without recognizing the
existence of the ether and the indispensable function it
plays in the phenomena."
And yet it was Tesla's opinion that went down into
oblivion, while modern physics continues to cruise along.
I'm sure you'll explain that by conspiracy. I explain it
by saying that Tesla was wrong.
I explain it by saying it was suppressed, like many
inventions that would benefit mankind. This is where
powerful cartels come into the picture i.e., banking and
money, medical and pharmaceutical, transport and energy,
political, intelligence, religions, and education.
It *was* you in an earlier posting today who denied you were
really into conspiracy theories. Couldn't prove it by the
foregoing.
Quoted message said:
This is why 5% of the people control 95% of the world's
wealth which means 95% of the people live off 5% of the
wealth and the gap between the rich and the poor is still
growing. Time for a change, don't you think Dave?
In some cases yes, but since your explanation is wrong, your
solutions would undoubtedly be spectacularly and comically
wrong-headed.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
No, homeopathy can be understood as being due to the
placebo effect, which is a much easier and simpler
explanation than dragging in a bunch of undetectable
"energy" fields. If homeopathy were as effective and as
wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim, it'd
be child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test.
Yet we have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And
anyway I've heard that homeopathy has been proven
scientifically.
I don't care what the voices in your head tell you. You're
still wrong.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I explain it by saying it was suppressed, like many
inventions that would benefit mankind. This is where
powerful cartels come into the picture i.e., banking and
money, medical and pharmaceutical, transport and energy,
political, intelligence, religions, and education.
It *was* you in an earlier posting today who denied you
were really into conspiracy theories. Couldn't prove it
by the foregoing.
For a supposedly educated person I sure have to do a lot of
research for you. How come you want me to spoon feed you
all the time?
All the time? You have yet to do it even once, at least when
it comes up to reporting anything serious.
Quoted message said:
Look up "free energy". Free energy is a type of device
that goes on providing more energy than what it takes to
get it started. There are many patents for free energy
devices but they never get developed commercially because
of the oil cartel.
I know about those, Carole. They violate the second law of
thermodynamics, yet another scientific principle that is as
far outside your comprehension as Pluto is outside the orbit
of the Earth.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
This is why 5% of the people control 95% of the world's
wealth which means 95% of the people live off 5% of the
wealth and the gap between the rich and the poor is
still growing. Time for a change, don't you think Dave?
In some cases yes, but since your explanation is wrong,
your solutions would undoubtedly be spectacularly and
comically wrong-headed.
Couldn't be less useful than yours. I've never heard you
say anything except add to suppression. You're a nice
person but that doesn't make your opinions any good.
Way better than yours. I've been wrong once in a while here,
and I've even admitted it. You ever admit to being wrong
about anything?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does
>this happen? Not by the current material laws of
>science, but by including ether in the equation.
Ah -- now it becomes clear. Carole is abusing ether at
home.
Actually I found the ether explanation at Walter Last's
website.
users.mrbean.net.auHomeopathy.html
"homeopathy cannot be understood as a substance based
method, such as drug medicine or herbalism where any
healing effect is due to chemical reactions. A simple
calculation shows that in the higher potencies not a
single molecule of the original substance will be
present. But these high potencies are often more
effective than low potencies. Therefore, homeopathy can
only be understood as working with energy remedies.
No, homeopathy can be understood as being due to the
placebo effect, which is a much easier and simpler
explanation than dragging in a bunch of undetectable
"energy" fields. If homeopathy were as effective and as
wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim, it'd be
child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet
we have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And
anyway I've heard that homeopathy has been proven
scientifically.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>Tesla said of ether Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla
>July 10, 1937
>lostartsmedia.comnikolatesla.html
The existence of the ether (or aether) was disproved by
the Michaelson-Morley experiments decades before Tesla
wrote this.
Tesla was a brilliant inventor, but then so was Edison,
who also made a number of silly statements
Like you Dave.
Tesla was responsible for many great discoveries,
including radio, television, fluorescent and neon
lighting, helicopters, lasers, particle beams and
alternating current. He had around 300 patents at the US
patent office, a lot of which haven't been developed
including free energy which has been suppressed.
Lasers were not developed until decades after Tesla's
death, the helicopter he had nothing to do with,
television was invented by several people (including Philo
T. Farnsworth -- isn't that a wonderful name?). Particle
beams are much more recent. Tesla was the big gun behind
alternating current, however.
If Tesla had a patent on free energy, anyone could go get
a copy of it and try it out. Patents are not "hidden."
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>"Only the existence of a field of force can account
>for them and its assumption dispenses with space
>curvature. All literature on this subject is futile
>and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts to
>explain the workings of the universe without
>recognizing the existence of the ether and the
>indispensable function it plays in the phenomena."
And yet it was Tesla's opinion that went down into
oblivion, while modern physics continues to cruise
along. I'm sure you'll explain that by conspiracy. I
explain it by saying that Tesla was wrong.
I explain it by saying it was suppressed, like many
inventions that would benefit mankind. This is where
powerful cartels come into the picture i.e., banking and
money, medical and pharmaceutical, transport and energy,
political, intelligence, religions, and education.
It *was* you in an earlier posting today who denied you
were really into conspiracy theories. Couldn't prove it by
the foregoing.
For a supposedly educated person I sure have to do a lot of
research for you. How come you want me to spoon feed you
all the time?
Look up "free energy". Free energy is a type of device
that goes on providing more energy than what it takes to
get it started. There are many patents for free energy
devices but they never get developed commercially because
of the oil cartel.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
This is why 5% of the people control 95% of the world's
wealth which means 95% of the people live off 5% of the
wealth and the gap between the rich and the poor is still
growing. Time for a change, don't you think Dave?
In some cases yes, but since your explanation is wrong,
your solutions would undoubtedly be spectacularly and
comically wrong-headed.
Couldn't be less useful than yours. I've never heard you say
anything except add to suppression. You're a nice person but
that doesn't make your opinions any good.
Carole austarmetro.com.auscience.htm

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[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message

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Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
If homeopathy were as effective and as wondrous as its
practitioners and adherents claim, it'd be child's play
to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we have no
such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And
anyway I've heard that homeopathy has been proven
scientifically.
No, homeopathy has not been proven scientifically. The few
studies that reported better than placebo results from
homeopathic preparations have not been replicated
independently. Thousands of studies have demonstrated that
homeopathic medications have no effect other than as
placeboes.
--Rich

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IMO Homeopathy will never be proven 'scientifically' until
they have conquered the 'experimenter effect.' Sceptic camp
can make negative results but the believers can get positive
results. Anth
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"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
If homeopathy were as effective and as wondrous as its
practitioners and adherents claim, it'd be child's
play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we
have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And
anyway I've heard that homeopathy has been proven
scientifically.
No, homeopathy has not been proven scientifically. The few
studies that reported better than placebo results from
homeopathic preparations have

not
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been replicated independently. Thousands of studies have
demonstrated that homeopathic medications have no effect
other than as placeboes.
--Rich

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<tb2dnf7fR4vywyLdRVn-
[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
> If homeopathy were as effective and as wondrous as
> its practitioners and adherents claim, it'd be
> child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind
> test. Yet we have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests.
And anyway I've heard that homeopathy has been proven
scientifically.
No, homeopathy has not been proven scientifically. The
few studies that reported better than placebo results
from homeopathic preparations have not been replicated
independently. Thousands of studies have demonstrated
that homeopathic medications have no effect other than as
placeboes.

Then homeopathy is being suppressed. This is easy to work
out by any thinking person.
How would you know? In any event, homeopathy is not being
suppressed. There are lots of homeopaths out there, and lots
of homeopathic products on store shelves. It's about as
suppressed as aspirin.
Quoted message said:
I can think of two reasons myself to support this line of
thinking, maybe more if I thought about it enough.
1. I've been taking lots of calcium for years, and
everybody knows that calcium needs to be kept in balance
with magnesium. However, I take my magnesium in
homeopathic form and have no magnesium deficiency
problems.
You just think you don't. How do you know? Magnesium
deficiency is one of the most common of all nutritional
deficiencies, and in some studies, over 80% of women are
deficient in magnesium (and men are not doing much better).
Serious deficiency is rare, because the body is very good at
conserving magnesium, but it can happen.
Quoted message said:
2. Ether technology is something which is suppressed for
reasons of "national security". Lots of Tesla's
discoveries dealt with ether and anything which touches
on ether is stopped and a material version of science is
substituted. Free energy, weather control, homeopathy,
scalar weapons, Rife and Reich's work also - all
suppressed.
No, not suppressed. Just a bunch of ideas that didn't work
out.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
If homeopathy were as effective and as wondrous as its
practitioners and adherents claim, it'd be child's
play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we
have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And
anyway I've heard that homeopathy has been proven
scientifically.
No, homeopathy has not been proven scientifically. The few
studies that reported better than placebo results from
homeopathic preparations have not been replicated
independently. Thousands of studies have demonstrated that
homeopathic medications have no effect other than as
placeboes.
--Rich
Then homeopathy is being suppressed. This is easy to work
out by any thinking person. I can think of two reasons
myself to support this line of thinking, maybe more if I
thought about it enough.
1. I've been taking lots of calcium for years, and everybody
knows that calcium needs to be kept in balance with
magnesium. However, I take my magnesium in homeopathic
form and have no magnesium deficiency problems.
2. Ether technology is something which is suppressed for
reasons of "national security". Lots of Tesla's
discoveries dealt with ether and anything which touches
on ether is stopped and a material version of science is
substituted. Free energy, weather control, homeopathy,
scalar weapons, Rife and Reich's work also - all
suppressed.
Carole austarmetro.com.auscience.htm

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5 July 2004, 10:51 UTC #17

In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
In article
<[email hidden]>, Carole
Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Look up "free energy". Free energy is a type of device
that goes on providing more energy than what it takes to
get it started. There are many patents for free energy
devices but they never get developed commercially
because of the oil cartel.
I know about those, Carole. They violate the second law
of thermodynamics, yet another scientific principle that
is as far outside your comprehension as Pluto is outside
the orbit of the Earth.
There are patents for free energy devices, you know.
Here's a helpful clue for you, Carole: you don't need to
provide a working model of something to get a patent on it.
Quoted message said:
I've told you this before, that physics as we know it is
wrong, that it has inconsistencies. See
einsteinconspiracy.co.ukeinsteinconspiracy.co.uk
I don't care -- you aren't competent to evaluate the
evidence. I doubt you could integrate e to the x. I doubt
you could solve a simple algebraic equation, for that
matter. And a mathematical illiterate is no more able to
judge physics than a verbal illiterate is able to read
"Ulysses."
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Couldn't be less useful than yours. I've never heard you
say anything except add to suppression. You're a nice
person but that doesn't make your opinions any good.
Way better than yours. I've been wrong once in a while
here, and I've even admitted it. You ever admit to being
wrong about anything?
I've never heard you admit you were wrong, or consider
alternative viewpoints. T
Well, then you missed it, didn't you? I see you didn't
bother to deny that you never admit you're wrong about
anything. And I've tried multiple alternative therapies,
with generally poor success (though chi quong is great stuff
and I do it every week). I've considered alternative
viewpoints, and I have changed my mind at times, but I don't
have to waste my time on "free energy" and other such [censored].
If it were really doable, someone would be selling it and
making a mint on it by now.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> >Look up "free energy". Free energy is a type of
> >device that goes on providing more energy than what
> >it takes to get it started. There are many patents
> >for free energy devices but they never get developed
> >commercially because of the oil cartel.
>
> I know about those, Carole. They violate the second
> law of thermodynamics, yet another scientific
> principle that is as far outside your comprehension as
> Pluto is outside the orbit of the Earth.
There are patents for free energy devices, you know.
Here's a helpful clue for you, Carole: you don't need
to provide a working model of something to get a
patent on it.
Is this true?
Yes, Carole, it's true. You would benefit from learning
things occasionally.
Quoted message said:
Even if it is, there are other reasons to believe in free
energy like Tesla's inventions, UFOs, the fact there is so
much suppression.
None of those are reasons to believe in free energy. The
reason not to believe in free energy is that nobody is
producing any.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I've told you this before, that physics as we know it is
wrong, that it has inconsistencies. See
einsteinconspiracy.co.ukeinsteinconspiracy.co.uk
I don't care -- you aren't competent to evaluate the
evidence. I doubt you could integrate e to the x. I doubt
you could solve a simple algebraic equation, for that
matter. And a mathematical illiterate is no more able to
judge physics than a verbal illiterate is able to read
"Ulysses."
Maths and Algebra used to be my favourite subjects until I
got to Yr 9 and they put me in a commercial course because
wasn't any good at a language e.g., Latin or French.
Well, that makes about as much sense as most
educational policies.
But it does reinforce my point: the language of physics is
mathematics, and for all practical purposes, you are
illiterate in that language.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I've never heard you admit you were wrong, or consider
alternative viewpoints. T
Well, then you missed it, didn't you? I see you didn't
bother to deny that you never admit you're wrong about
anything. And I've tried multiple alternative therapies,
with generally poor success (though chi quong is great
stuff and I do it every week). I've considered
alternative viewpoints, and I have changed my mind at
times, but I don't have to waste my time on "free energy"
and other such [censored]. If it were really doable, someone
would be selling it and making a mint on it by now.
I admit when I'm wrong but it takes a long time for me to
shift my viewpoint because I don't trust other people's
thinking. E.g., it took me a long time to become a
conspiracy theorist as I used to think such people were
crackpots.
You were (mostly) right. Now you've gone over to the dark
side and are thus mostly wrong.
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I do realise there are some cluey people out there are
ahead of me in their thinking -- but also there are people
paid to put disinformation on the internet and lead people
astray - and they are skilled story tellers and can be very
convincing.
There are certainly paid shills who are attempting to
influence the public (like that shill-for-ambulance-chasers
"Kent Ross" or whatever his real name is). However, the fact
that such people exist does not mean that your favorite
fantasies are anything other than fantasy.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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>> >Look up "free energy". Free energy is a type of
>> >device that goes on providing more energy than what
>> >it takes to get it started. There are many patents
>> >for free energy devices but they never get developed
>> >commercially because of the oil cartel.
>>
>> I know about those, Carole. They violate the second
>> law of thermodynamics, yet another scientific
>> principle that is as far outside your comprehension
>> as Pluto is outside the orbit of the Earth.
>
>There are patents for free energy devices, you know.
Here's a helpful clue for you, Carole: you don't need
to provide a working model of something to get a patent
on it.
Is this true? Even if it is, there are other reasons to
believe in free energy like Tesla's inventions, UFOs, the
fact there is so much suppression.
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>I've told you this before, that physics as we know it
>is wrong, that it has inconsistencies. See
>einsteinconspiracy.co.ukeinsteinconspiracy.co.uk
I don't care -- you aren't competent to evaluate the
evidence. I doubt you could integrate e to the x. I
doubt you could solve a simple algebraic equation, for
that matter. And a mathematical illiterate is no more
able to judge physics than a verbal illiterate is able
to read "Ulysses."
He's basically saying you are ignorant so butt out, which
is a typical sceptic argument.
It's a reasonable argument, Anth. There is no reason
why Carole's opinion on a subject is automatically of
any validity.
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>I've never heard you admit you were wrong, or consider
>alternative viewpoints. T
Well, then you missed it, didn't you? I see you didn't
bother to deny that you never admit you're wrong about
anything. And I've tried multiple alternative
therapies, with generally poor success (though chi
quong is great stuff and I do it every week). I've
considered alternative viewpoints, and I have changed
my mind at times, but I don't have to waste my time on
"free energy" and other such [censored]. If it were really
doable, someone would be selling it and making a mint
on it by now.
Over unity (the concept of getting more power out than you
put in) is all around us, for instance you extract coal
from the ground you consume x power. You burn the coal and
you get y amount of power (where y greater than x y>x) You
clearly get more power out than you put in thus over unity.
What ther real beef is about is producing energy from
knowhere with violates thermodynamics.
Correct.
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I admit when I'm wrong but it takes a long time for me to
shift my viewpoint because I don't trust other people's
thinking. E.g., it took me a long time to become a
conspiracy theorist as I used to think such people were
crackpots.
(If you never look you won't find)
But just because you look doesn't mean you will find. Hey,
I'd love it if perpetual motion machines really worked.
Well, it'd be economic chaos for a while, but imagine a car
or a plane that needed no fuel, being able to heat or cool
your house for zero cost, etc. Incredible.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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No, homeopathy can be understood as being due to the
placebo effect, which is a much easier and simpler
explanation than dragging in a bunch of undetectable
"energy" fields. If homeopathy were as effective and as
wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim, it'd
be child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind
test. Yet we have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And
anyway I've heard that homeopathy has been proven
scientifically.
I don't care what the voices in your head tell you. You're
still wrong.
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>I explain it by saying it was suppressed, like many
>inventions that would benefit mankind. This is where
>powerful cartels come into the picture i.e., banking
>and money, medical and pharmaceutical, transport and
>energy, political, intelligence, religions, and
>education.
It *was* you in an earlier posting today who denied you
were really into conspiracy theories. Couldn't prove it
by the foregoing.
For a supposedly educated person I sure have to do a lot
of research for you. How come you want me to spoon feed
you all the time?
All the time? You have yet to do it even once, at least
when it comes up to reporting anything serious.
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Look up "free energy". Free energy is a type of device
that goes on providing more energy than what it takes to
get it started. There are many patents for free energy
devices but they never get developed commercially because
of the oil cartel.
I know about those, Carole. They violate the second law of
thermodynamics, yet another scientific principle that is
as far outside your comprehension as Pluto is outside the
orbit of the Earth.
There are patents for free energy devices, you know.
I've told you this before, that physics as we know it is
wrong, that it has inconsistencies. See
einsteinconspiracy.co.ukeinsteinconspiracy.co.uk
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Couldn't be less useful than yours. I've never heard you
say anything except add to suppression. You're a nice
person but that doesn't make your opinions any good.
Way better than yours. I've been wrong once in a while
here, and I've even admitted it. You ever admit to being
wrong about anything?
I've never heard you admit you were wrong, or consider
alternative viewpoints. T
Carole austarmetro.com.auhealth.htm

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