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Cesium cures cancer (contd)

Carole · 2004-04-21T20:46:43+00:00

Reply to DRCEEPHD from 22/1/04 Subject: Re: Cesium Cures Cancer? From: [email hidden] (Carole) Date: 1/20/04 7:58 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden] I don't think it matters whether an animal is a herbivore, vegan, vegetarian, frugivore and carnivore. Sorry, but it matters a great deal. It determines what your true food stuff is. And all animals, except man, eats its food as the creature finds it. That includes catching prey to the other end whereby you eat dead creatures, or maybe you just eat plants. It matters and it matters a lot. What I mean is that all animals and plants need to have the correct pH, which is achieved adding some form of calcium and/or other alkalizing minerals. This is the principle which I'm referring to - achieving the optimal pH for the animal. I think the principle is the same even for plants. Some plants will thrive in a more acid or alkaline medium but the calcium needs to be kept in balance with other nutrients. Different plants will thrive in different soils is true enough. All farmers have to recognize this fact and adjust their soil pH. All things need to be in balance. If not, you will deplete yourself of something and become unbalanced. This is true of vitamins as well as minerals. I think what stops bone turning to stone is to keep calcium in balance with the other minerals. I've been taking mega amounts of calcium for 27 years now and have heard that large amounts of calcium can result in kidney stones, but this hasn't happened. Keeping the calcium in balance with other minerals is the key and this is where an understanding of cellsalts comes in I cannot argue your positive experience. Balance is essential. However, a stressed body will act to counter any stress. If your calcium intake exceeds your need or is harmful, your own innate body intelligence will reduce your ability to absorb the offending substance while at the same time increasing your ability to store and/or excrete the offending substance. This sounds correct. With a knowledge of cellsalts a person is able to keep the calcium in balance with the other cellsalts and avoid the problem of bone turning to stone, which is just another name for arthritis isn't it? I cannot agree here. You probably don't understand what I'm saying here. Arthritis occurs in 5 basic forms. All the billions of dollars in research now allows the rheumatologist to claim to be able to define over 100 forms of arthritis. Big deal for the money spent 'cause the patient is still left with arthritis. The cellsalt theory doesn't depend on diagnosing any particular disease, but merely treats symptoms i.e., "Should a deficiency occur in one or more of these workers, of whom there are twelve, some abnormal condition arises. These abnormal conditions are known by the general term disease, and according as they manifest themselves in different parts of the body, they have been designated by various names. "But these names totally fail to express the real trouble. Every disease which afflicts the human race is due to a lack of one or more of these inorganic workers. Every pain or unpleasant sensation indicates a lack of some inorganic constituent of the body. Health and strength can be maintained only so long as the system is properly supplied with these call-salts." -- the biochemic handbook by JB Chapman MD and Edward L Perry MD Arthritis has its genesis in toxemia. An accumulation of toxins in the body. Secondarily, the body is becoming acidic. The toxemia combined with the metabolic acidosis upsets the enzyme balance in the body. Couple this with a mineral imbalance ( Calcium, magnesium, and phosphorous ) and you have set the stage for arthritis in all its forms. The two main problems to be corrected with arthritis seems to be the acidosis ( which upsets the enzymes in the joints ) and a sulfur deficiency. Calcium, phosphorus, magnesium and sulphur are cellsalts. But there is another cellsalt which doesn't get any recognition by conventional or alternative medicine - silica, or silicon dioxide. This cellsalt is extremely important in the treatment of arthritic or rheumatic conditions as well as bone growth. Enzymes aren't cellsalts. I don't think enzymes are a nutritional element but probably form from nutritional elements. Correct me if I'm wrong. I know that bad bacteria and friendly bacteria change in accordance with their environment and don't have to be ingested as such. So all those friendly bacillus (or whatever) yoghurts are just a waste of money. Correct the acididosis, allowing the enzymes to once againg perform correctly, and corect the mineal inmbalance and you recover from arthritis. Acidity and toxemia are treated with cellsalts The following article gives details of minerals/cellsalts which determine correct acidity You are alkaline - http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=681f8n%24du0%40bgtnsc03. worldnet.att.net&output=gplain You have been healed. To be cured is worthless. The treatments for looking after horses on the Horses are like cows. They do not have the enzymes to digest the stuff they eat. It is in their stomachs ( plural ) with alll the associated bacteria. It is the bacteria that digests the food for the horse, and the same for the cow, the goat, etc. Would you like to explain enzymes a little, ta. We cannot compare the digestive system of a horse to a human any more than we can that of the rat or mouse. This is another failing of modern medicine. Of course. But what they do have in common is a need for nutrients /minerals. DrC PhD Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm

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Carole
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21 April 2004, 20:46 UTC #1

Reply to DRCEEPHD from 22/1/04
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Cesium Cures Cancer?
From: [email hidden] (Carole)
Date: 1/20/04 7:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]
I don't think it matters whether an animal is a herbivore, vegan,
vegetarian, frugivore and carnivore.
Quoted message said:
Sorry, but it matters a great deal. It determines what your true

food stuff
Quoted message said:
is. And all animals, except man, eats its food as the creature

finds it.
Quoted message said:
That includes catching prey to the other end whereby you eat dead

creatures, or
Quoted message said:
maybe you just eat plants.
Quoted message said:
It matters and it matters a lot.
What I mean is that all animals and plants need to have the correct
pH, which is achieved adding some form of calcium and/or other
alkalizing minerals. This is the principle which I'm referring to -
achieving the optimal pH for the animal.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I think the principle is the same
even for plants. Some plants will thrive in a more acid or alkaline
medium but the calcium needs to be kept in balance with other
nutrients.
Quoted message said:
Different plants will thrive in different soils is true enough. All

farmers
Quoted message said:
have to recognize this fact and adjust their soil pH. All things

need to be in
Quoted message said:
balance. If not, you will deplete yourself of something and become

unbalanced.
Quoted message said:
This is true of vitamins as well as minerals.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I think what stops bone turning to stone is to keep calcium in

balance
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
with the other minerals. I've been taking mega amounts of calcium

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
27 years now and have heard that large amounts of calcium can result
in kidney stones, but this hasn't happened. Keeping the calcium in
balance with other minerals is the key and this is where an
understanding of cellsalts comes in
Quoted message said:
I cannot argue your positive experience. Balance is essential.
Quoted message said:
However, a stressed body will act to counter any stress. If your calcium
intake exceeds your need or is harmful, your own innate body

intelligence will
Quoted message said:
reduce your ability to absorb the offending substance while at the

same time
Quoted message said:
increasing your ability to store and/or excrete the offending

substance.
This sounds correct.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
With a knowledge
of cellsalts a person is able to keep the calcium in balance with

the
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
other cellsalts and avoid the problem of bone turning to stone,

which
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
is just another name for arthritis isn't it?
Quoted message said:
I cannot agree here.
You probably don't understand what I'm saying here.
Quoted message said:
Arthritis occurs in 5 basic forms. All the billions of dollars in

research now
Quoted message said:
allows the rheumatologist to claim to be able to define over 100

forms of
Quoted message said:
arthritis. Big deal for the money spent 'cause the patient is still

left with
Quoted message said:
arthritis.
The cellsalt theory doesn't depend on diagnosing any particular
disease, but merely treats symptoms i.e.,
"Should a deficiency occur in one or more of these workers, of whom
there are twelve, some abnormal condition arises. These abnormal
conditions are known by the general term disease, and according as
they manifest themselves in different parts of the body, they have
been designated by various names.
"But these names totally fail to express the real trouble. Every
disease which afflicts the human race is due to a lack of one or more
of these inorganic workers. Every pain or unpleasant sensation
indicates a lack of some inorganic constituent of the body. Health and
strength can be maintained only so long as the system is properly
supplied with these call-salts."
-- the biochemic handbook by JB Chapman MD and Edward L Perry MD
Quoted message said:
Arthritis has its genesis in toxemia. An accumulation of toxins in

the body.
Quoted message said:
Secondarily, the body is becoming acidic.
Quoted message said:
The toxemia combined with the metabolic acidosis upsets the enzyme

balance in
Quoted message said:
the body. Couple this with a mineral imbalance ( Calcium, magnesium,

and
Quoted message said:
phosphorous ) and you have set the stage for arthritis in all its

forms. The
Quoted message said:
two main problems to be corrected with arthritis seems to be the

acidosis (
Quoted message said:
which upsets the enzymes in the joints ) and a sulfur deficiency.
Calcium, phosphorus, magnesium and sulphur are cellsalts. But there is
another cellsalt which doesn't get any recognition by conventional or
alternative medicine - silica, or silicon dioxide. This cellsalt is
extremely important in the treatment of arthritic or rheumatic
conditions as well as bone growth.
Enzymes aren't cellsalts. I don't think enzymes are a nutritional
element but probably form from nutritional elements. Correct me if I'm
wrong.
I know that bad bacteria and friendly bacteria change in accordance
with their environment and don't have to be ingested as such. So all
those friendly bacillus (or whatever) yoghurts are just a waste of
money.
Quoted message said:
Correct the acididosis, allowing the enzymes to once againg perform

correctly,
Quoted message said:
and corect the mineal inmbalance and you recover from arthritis.
Acidity and toxemia are treated with cellsalts
The following article gives details of minerals/cellsalts which
determine correct acidity
You are alkaline -
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=681f8n%24du0%40bgtnsc03.
worldnet.att.net&output=gplain
Quoted message said:
You have been healed. To be cured is worthless.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
The treatments for looking after horses on the
Quoted message said:
Horses are like cows. They do not have the enzymes to digest the

stuff they
Quoted message said:
eat. It is in their stomachs ( plural ) with alll the associated

bacteria. It
Quoted message said:
is the bacteria that digests the food for the horse, and the same for

the cow,
Quoted message said:
the goat, etc.
Would you like to explain enzymes a little, ta.
Quoted message said:
We cannot compare the digestive system of a horse to a human any more

than we
Quoted message said:
can that of the rat or mouse. This is another failing of modern

medicine.
Of course. But what they do have in common is a need for nutrients
/minerals.
Quoted message said:
DrC PhD
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/acidity.htm

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Anth
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21 April 2004, 22:26 UTC #2

[monstrous snipping]
"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
Reply to DRCEEPHD from 22/1/04
Enzymes aren't cellsalts. I don't think enzymes are a nutritional
element but probably form from nutritional elements. Correct me if I'm
wrong.
I know that bad bacteria and friendly bacteria change in accordance
with their environment and don't have to be ingested as such. So all
those friendly bacillus (or whatever) yoghurts are just a waste of
money.
Would you like to explain enzymes a little, ta.
Enzymes are essential biochemical catalysts which help to cleave molecules,
kind of like putting a chisel into a crack in a rock and then hitting it
with a hammer.
Some examples, beta carotene (from vegetables?) is cleaved by b-carotene
dioxygenase to produce retinal, which in turn is reduced into retinol
(vitamin a) by retinaldehyde reductase.
(Carrots are a good safe souce of vitamin a, as the body won't produce
enough to make the liver toxic)
Non primates contain the neccesary enzyme steps to produce ascorbate
(vitamin c) from glucose. We as humans lack a certain step in this process
and therefore cannot make ascorbate like they do.
Without sufficient ascorbate you would certainly die a horrible death,
unless you are one of the lucky (and rare) people who can manufacture enough
to keep scurvy at bay.
Scurvy is a disease caused by lack of sufficient dietry ascorbate (in humans
faulty enzyme steps) - I've not looked up cell salts - is ascorbate listed
as part of them?
Non primates - the ones who don't synthesise ascorbate don't suffer heart
disease like we do (Rath)
Cancer cells have a thick coating around them of fibrin which makes it hard
for the immune system to attack them.
Sufficient trypsin (another enzyme made by the human body - part of the
immune system) will dissolve the fibrin coat and the body can then attack
the cell.
This is the basis of the enzyme treatment of cancer. People with cancer lack
certain enzymes - namely trypsin (Wolf)
(In a nutshell, enzymes are pretty damn important!)
Cheers
Anth

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Carole
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26 April 2004, 00:41 UTC #3

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
[monstrous snipping]
"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Reply to DRCEEPHD from 22/1/04
Enzymes aren't cellsalts. I don't think enzymes are a nutritional
element but probably form from nutritional elements. Correct me if I'm
wrong.
I know that bad bacteria and friendly bacteria change in accordance
with their environment and don't have to be ingested as such. So all
those friendly bacillus (or whatever) yoghurts are just a waste of
money.
Would you like to explain enzymes a little, ta.
Enzymes are essential biochemical catalysts which help to cleave molecules,
kind of like putting a chisel into a crack in a rock and then hitting it
with a hammer.
Some examples, beta carotene (from vegetables?) is cleaved by b-carotene
dioxygenase to produce retinal, which in turn is reduced into retinol
(vitamin a) by retinaldehyde reductase.
(Carrots are a good safe souce of vitamin a, as the body won't produce
enough to make the liver toxic)
Non primates contain the neccesary enzyme steps to produce ascorbate
(vitamin c) from glucose. We as humans lack a certain step in this process
and therefore cannot make ascorbate like they do.
Without sufficient ascorbate you would certainly die a horrible death,
unless you are one of the lucky (and rare) people who can manufacture enough
to keep scurvy at bay.
Scurvy is a disease caused by lack of sufficient dietry ascorbate (in humans
faulty enzyme steps) - I've not looked up cell salts - is ascorbate listed
as part of them?
I don't think so. No form of any cellsalt that I've ever seen has
ascorbate in its description except maybe calcium in the form of
calcium ascorbate (calcium can be taken in many forms and still
functions as a cellsalt is supposed to). But I don't know what this
is, not being chemically or scientifically trained. Is calcium
ascorbate calcium or vitamin c, or both?
Maybe all cellsalts could be taken in an ascorbate form, although they
are usually taken in homeopathic form. I can vaguely remember DrC
mentioning that the best form of calcium is calcium ascorbate and
maybe this is why, because of it connection to enzymes. Do enzymes
stop a person getting osteoporosis, or acid conditions like
rheumatism?
The funny thing about vitamin C is that I've never noticed any
deficiency symptoms ... except after consuming alcohol. I notice the
next day I always feel like consuming orange juice or other fruit.
This could be interpreted as a desire for vitamin C.
Quoted message said:
Non primates - the ones who don't synthesise ascorbate don't suffer heart
disease like we do (Rath)
Cancer cells have a thick coating around them of fibrin which makes it hard
for the immune system to attack them.
Sufficient trypsin (another enzyme made by the human body - part of the
immune system) will dissolve the fibrin coat and the body can then attack
the cell.
This is the basis of the enzyme treatment of cancer. People with cancer lack
certain enzymes - namely trypsin (Wolf)
Is this genetic or due to dietary deficiencies? Does a person on a
normal health diet get a deficiency? We all know that people eating
devitalised, highly processed diets have deficiencies of many
essential elements.
Quoted message said:
(In a nutshell, enzymes are pretty damn important!)
Cheers
Anth
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/cellsalts.htm

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Anth
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26 April 2004, 07:41 UTC #4

[snip]
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Scurvy is a disease caused by lack of sufficient dietry ascorbate (in

humans
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
faulty enzyme steps) - I've not looked up cell salts - is ascorbate

listed
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
as part of them?
I don't think so. No form of any cellsalt that I've ever seen has
ascorbate in its description except maybe calcium in the form of
calcium ascorbate (calcium can be taken in many forms and still
functions as a cellsalt is supposed to). But I don't know what this
is, not being chemically or scientifically trained. Is calcium
ascorbate calcium or vitamin c, or both?
Calcium ascorbate is vitamin c, which would count towards your RDA of
calcium.
Quoted message said:
Maybe all cellsalts could be taken in an ascorbate form, although they
are usually taken in homeopathic form. I can vaguely remember DrC
mentioning that the best form of calcium is calcium ascorbate and
maybe this is why, because of it connection to enzymes. Do enzymes
stop a person getting osteoporosis, or acid conditions like
rheumatism?
If cellsalts are taken in homeopathic form then you are essentially taking
no cell salts.
Anyone selling you homeopathic cellsalts is ripping you off big time.
How would you like someone to give you a bar of homeopathic gold at a knock
down price?
Ascorbate intake reverses osteoporisis in misc as I recall.
Quoted message said:
The funny thing about vitamin C is that I've never noticed any
deficiency symptoms ... except after consuming alcohol. I notice the
next day I always feel like consuming orange juice or other fruit.
This could be interpreted as a desire for vitamin C.
You are probably just hungry or fancy something sweet.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Non primates - the ones who don't synthesise ascorbate don't suffer

heart
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
disease like we do (Rath)
Cancer cells have a thick coating around them of fibrin which makes it

hard
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
for the immune system to attack them.
Sufficient trypsin (another enzyme made by the human body - part of the
immune system) will dissolve the fibrin coat and the body can then

attack
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
the cell.
This is the basis of the enzyme treatment of cancer. People with cancer

lack
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
certain enzymes - namely trypsin (Wolf)
Is this genetic or due to dietary deficiencies? Does a person on a
normal health diet get a deficiency? We all know that people eating
devitalised, highly processed diets have deficiencies of many
essential elements.
Humans don't make ascorbate in their livers due to a genetic cause, you can
read about this cause by googling Irwin Stone
Anth
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
(In a nutshell, enzymes are pretty damn important!)
Cheers
Anth
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/cellsalts.htm

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Carole
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16 May 2004, 00:56 UTC #5

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
[snip]
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Scurvy is a disease caused by lack of sufficient dietry ascorbate (in

humans
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
faulty enzyme steps) - I've not looked up cell salts - is ascorbate

listed
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
as part of them?
I don't think so. No form of any cellsalt that I've ever seen has
ascorbate in its description except maybe calcium in the form of
calcium ascorbate (calcium can be taken in many forms and still
functions as a cellsalt is supposed to). But I don't know what this
is, not being chemically or scientifically trained. Is calcium
ascorbate calcium or vitamin c, or both?
Calcium ascorbate is vitamin c, which would count towards your RDA of
calcium.
Therefore calcium ascorbate is both vitamin C and calcium - combined
somehow. I'm not into chemistry or physics - I work things out my own
way.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Maybe all cellsalts could be taken in an ascorbate form, although they
are usually taken in homeopathic form. I can vaguely remember DrC
mentioning that the best form of calcium is calcium ascorbate and
maybe this is why, because of it connection to enzymes. Do enzymes
stop a person getting osteoporosis, or acid conditions like
rheumatism?
If cellsalts are taken in homeopathic form then you are essentially taking
no cell salts.
Anyone selling you homeopathic cellsalts is ripping you off big time.
How would you like someone to give you a bar of homeopathic gold at a knock
down price?
Ascorbate intake reverses osteoporisis in misc as I recall.
Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does this happen? Not
by the current material laws of science, but by including ether in the
equation.
Tesla said of ether
Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla
July 10, 1937
http://www.lostartsmedia.com/nikolatesla.html
"Only the existence of a field of force can account for them and its
assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this
subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts
to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the
existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the
phenomena."
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
The funny thing about vitamin C is that I've never noticed any
deficiency symptoms ... except after consuming alcohol. I notice the
next day I always feel like consuming orange juice or other fruit.
This could be interpreted as a desire for vitamin C.
You are probably just hungry or fancy something sweet.
Or just maybe my body is telling me something.
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/cellsalts.htm

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David Wright
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16 May 2004, 18:49 UTC #6

In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
[snip]
Quoted message said:
> Scurvy is a disease caused by lack of sufficient dietry ascorbate (in

humans
Quoted message said:
> faulty enzyme steps) - I've not looked up cell salts - is ascorbate

listed
Quoted message said:
> as part of them?
I don't think so. No form of any cellsalt that I've ever seen has
ascorbate in its description except maybe calcium in the form of
calcium ascorbate (calcium can be taken in many forms and still
functions as a cellsalt is supposed to). But I don't know what this
is, not being chemically or scientifically trained. Is calcium
ascorbate calcium or vitamin c, or both?
Calcium ascorbate is vitamin c, which would count towards your RDA of
calcium.
Therefore calcium ascorbate is both vitamin C and calcium - combined
somehow. I'm not into chemistry or physics - I work things out my own
way.
In that case, you really should come up with your own vocabulary for
things as well. You see, "vitamin C" and "calcium" and so on are
terms that derive from chemistry. Since you're not actually talking
about chemistry, you should avoid appropriating their terms. This
way, you will both make it clear that you're on your own astral plane,
and that you are completely ignorant of chemistry, physics, etc.
Quoted message said:
Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does this happen? Not
by the current material laws of science, but by including ether in the
equation.
Ah -- now it becomes clear. Carole is abusing ether at home.
Quoted message said:
Tesla said of ether
Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla
July 10, 1937
http://www.lostartsmedia.com/nikolatesla.html
The existence of the ether (or aether) was disproved by the
Michaelson-Morley experiments decades before Tesla wrote this.
Tesla was a brilliant inventor, but then so was Edison, who also made
a number of silly statements. (You quote Tesla, "Dr" Cee quotes
Edison. There's a nice symmetry here.)
Quoted message said:
"Only the existence of a field of force can account for them and its
assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this
subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts
to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the
existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the
phenomena."
And yet it was Tesla's opinion that went down into oblivion, while
modern physics continues to cruise along. I'm sure you'll explain
that by conspiracy. I explain it by saying that Tesla was wrong.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
The funny thing about vitamin C is that I've never noticed any
deficiency symptoms ... except after consuming alcohol. I notice the
next day I always feel like consuming orange juice or other fruit.
This could be interpreted as a desire for vitamin C.
You are probably just hungry or fancy something sweet.
Or just maybe my body is telling me something.
Or you have a vivid imagination, which we already know is the case.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Carole
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17 May 2004, 15:19 UTC #7

[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does this happen? Not
by the current material laws of science, but by including ether in the
equation.
Ah -- now it becomes clear. Carole is abusing ether at home.
Actually I found the ether explanation at Walter Last's website.
http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/Homeopathy.html
"homeopathy cannot be understood as a substance based method, such as
drug medicine or herbalism where any healing effect is due to chemical
reactions. A simple calculation shows that in the higher potencies not
a single molecule of the original substance will be present. But these
high potencies are often more effective than low potencies. Therefore,
homeopathy can only be understood as working with energy remedies.
"The explanation is that every natural substance has an etheric field
around its molecular structure. The special shaking action or
potentizing used in homeopathy separates the etheric fields from their
material substance. The latter is then discarded and the former
concentrated. These concentrated etheric fields are much more potent
in this way than when they were combined with matter. Similar etheric
concentrates can be produced with radionics instruments. The healing
effect of such concentrates depends on their vibrational frequency.
Because of this the name vibrational medicine has been coined for
these methods."
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Tesla said of ether
Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla
July 10, 1937
http://www.lostartsmedia.com/nikolatesla.html
The existence of the ether (or aether) was disproved by the
Michaelson-Morley experiments decades before Tesla wrote this.
Tesla was a brilliant inventor, but then so was Edison, who also made
a number of silly statements
Like you Dave.
Tesla was responsible for many great discoveries, including radio,
television, fluorescent and neon lighting, helicopters, lasers,
particle beams and alternating current. He had around 300 patents at
the US patent office, a lot of which haven't been developed including
free energy which has been suppressed.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
"Only the existence of a field of force can account for them and its
assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this
subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts
to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the
existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the
phenomena."
And yet it was Tesla's opinion that went down into oblivion, while
modern physics continues to cruise along. I'm sure you'll explain
that by conspiracy. I explain it by saying that Tesla was wrong.
I explain it by saying it was suppressed, like many inventions that
would benefit mankind. This is where powerful cartels come into the
picture i.e., banking and money, medical and pharmaceutical, transport
and energy, political, intelligence, religions, and education.
This is why 5% of the people control 95% of the world's wealth which
means 95% of the people live off 5% of the wealth and the gap between
the rich and the poor is still growing. Time for a change, don't you
think Dave?
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/globalisation.htm

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David Wright
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18 May 2004, 02:32 UTC #8

In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does this happen? Not
by the current material laws of science, but by including ether in the
equation.
Ah -- now it becomes clear. Carole is abusing ether at home.
Actually I found the ether explanation at Walter Last's website.
http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/Homeopathy.html
"homeopathy cannot be understood as a substance based method, such as
drug medicine or herbalism where any healing effect is due to chemical
reactions. A simple calculation shows that in the higher potencies not
a single molecule of the original substance will be present. But these
high potencies are often more effective than low potencies. Therefore,
homeopathy can only be understood as working with energy remedies.
No, homeopathy can be understood as being due to the placebo effect,
which is a much easier and simpler explanation than dragging in a
bunch of undetectable "energy" fields. If homeopathy were as
effective and as wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim,
it'd be child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we
have no such results.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Tesla said of ether
Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla
July 10, 1937
http://www.lostartsmedia.com/nikolatesla.html
The existence of the ether (or aether) was disproved by the
Michaelson-Morley experiments decades before Tesla wrote this.
Tesla was a brilliant inventor, but then so was Edison, who also made
a number of silly statements
Like you Dave.
Tesla was responsible for many great discoveries, including radio,
television, fluorescent and neon lighting, helicopters, lasers,
particle beams and alternating current. He had around 300 patents at
the US patent office, a lot of which haven't been developed including
free energy which has been suppressed.
Lasers were not developed until decades after Tesla's death, the
helicopter he had nothing to do with, television was invented by
several people (including Philo T. Farnsworth -- isn't that a
wonderful name?). Particle beams are much more recent. Tesla was the
big gun behind alternating current, however.
If Tesla had a patent on free energy, anyone could go get a copy of it
and try it out. Patents are not "hidden."
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
"Only the existence of a field of force can account for them and its
assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this
subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts
to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the
existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the
phenomena."
And yet it was Tesla's opinion that went down into oblivion, while
modern physics continues to cruise along. I'm sure you'll explain
that by conspiracy. I explain it by saying that Tesla was wrong.
I explain it by saying it was suppressed, like many inventions that
would benefit mankind. This is where powerful cartels come into the
picture i.e., banking and money, medical and pharmaceutical, transport
and energy, political, intelligence, religions, and education.
It *was* you in an earlier posting today who denied you were really
into conspiracy theories. Couldn't prove it by the foregoing.
Quoted message said:
This is why 5% of the people control 95% of the world's wealth which
means 95% of the people live off 5% of the wealth and the gap between
the rich and the poor is still growing. Time for a change, don't you
think Dave?
In some cases yes, but since your explanation is wrong, your solutions
would undoubtedly be spectacularly and comically wrong-headed.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Carole
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3 June 2004, 16:50 UTC #9

[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>Cellsalts taken in homeopathic form do work. How does this happen? Not
>by the current material laws of science, but by including ether in the
>equation.
Ah -- now it becomes clear. Carole is abusing ether at home.
Actually I found the ether explanation at Walter Last's website.
http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/Homeopathy.html
"homeopathy cannot be understood as a substance based method, such as
drug medicine or herbalism where any healing effect is due to chemical
reactions. A simple calculation shows that in the higher potencies not
a single molecule of the original substance will be present. But these
high potencies are often more effective than low potencies. Therefore,
homeopathy can only be understood as working with energy remedies.
No, homeopathy can be understood as being due to the placebo effect,
which is a much easier and simpler explanation than dragging in a
bunch of undetectable "energy" fields. If homeopathy were as
effective and as wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim,
it'd be child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we
have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And anyway I've
heard that homeopathy has been proven scientifically.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>Tesla said of ether
>Prepared Statement by Nikola Tesla
>July 10, 1937
>http://www.lostartsmedia.com/nikolatesla.html
The existence of the ether (or aether) was disproved by the
Michaelson-Morley experiments decades before Tesla wrote this.
Tesla was a brilliant inventor, but then so was Edison, who also made
a number of silly statements
Like you Dave.
Tesla was responsible for many great discoveries, including radio,
television, fluorescent and neon lighting, helicopters, lasers,
particle beams and alternating current. He had around 300 patents at
the US patent office, a lot of which haven't been developed including
free energy which has been suppressed.
Lasers were not developed until decades after Tesla's death, the
helicopter he had nothing to do with, television was invented by
several people (including Philo T. Farnsworth -- isn't that a
wonderful name?). Particle beams are much more recent. Tesla was the
big gun behind alternating current, however.
If Tesla had a patent on free energy, anyone could go get a copy of it
and try it out. Patents are not "hidden."
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>"Only the existence of a field of force can account for them and its
>assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this
>subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts
>to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the
>existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the
>phenomena."
And yet it was Tesla's opinion that went down into oblivion, while
modern physics continues to cruise along. I'm sure you'll explain
that by conspiracy. I explain it by saying that Tesla was wrong.
I explain it by saying it was suppressed, like many inventions that
would benefit mankind. This is where powerful cartels come into the
picture i.e., banking and money, medical and pharmaceutical, transport
and energy, political, intelligence, religions, and education.
It *was* you in an earlier posting today who denied you were really
into conspiracy theories. Couldn't prove it by the foregoing.
For a supposedly educated person I sure have to do a lot of research
for you.
How come you want me to spoon feed you all the time?
Look up "free energy". Free energy is a type of device that goes on
providing more energy than what it takes to get it started. There are
many patents for free energy devices but they never get developed
commercially because of the oil cartel.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
This is why 5% of the people control 95% of the world's wealth which
means 95% of the people live off 5% of the wealth and the gap between
the rich and the poor is still growing. Time for a change, don't you
think Dave?
In some cases yes, but since your explanation is wrong, your solutions
would undoubtedly be spectacularly and comically wrong-headed.
Couldn't be less useful than yours. I've never heard you say anything
except add to suppression. You're a nice person but that doesn't make
your opinions any good.
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/science.htm

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3 June 2004, 17:23 UTC #10

"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message

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Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
If homeopathy were as
effective and as wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim,
it'd be child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we
have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And anyway I've
heard that homeopathy has been proven scientifically.
No, homeopathy has not been proven scientifically. The few studies that
reported better than placebo results from homeopathic preparations have not
been replicated independently. Thousands of studies have demonstrated that
homeopathic medications have no effect other than as placeboes.
--Rich

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Anth
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4 June 2004, 02:54 UTC #11

IMO
Homeopathy will never be proven 'scientifically' until they have conquered
the 'experimenter effect.'
Sceptic camp can make negative results but the believers can get positive
results.
Anth
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"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
If homeopathy were as
effective and as wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim,
it'd be child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we
have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And anyway I've
heard that homeopathy has been proven scientifically.
No, homeopathy has not been proven scientifically. The few studies that
reported better than placebo results from homeopathic preparations have

not
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been replicated independently. Thousands of studies have demonstrated that
homeopathic medications have no effect other than as placeboes.
--Rich

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4 June 2004, 03:54 UTC #12

In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
No, homeopathy can be understood as being due to the placebo effect,
which is a much easier and simpler explanation than dragging in a
bunch of undetectable "energy" fields. If homeopathy were as
effective and as wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim,
it'd be child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we
have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And anyway I've
heard that homeopathy has been proven scientifically.
I don't care what the voices in your head tell you. You're still
wrong.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I explain it by saying it was suppressed, like many inventions that
would benefit mankind. This is where powerful cartels come into the
picture i.e., banking and money, medical and pharmaceutical, transport
and energy, political, intelligence, religions, and education.
It *was* you in an earlier posting today who denied you were really
into conspiracy theories. Couldn't prove it by the foregoing.
For a supposedly educated person I sure have to do a lot of research
for you. How come you want me to spoon feed you all the time?
All the time? You have yet to do it even once, at least when it comes
up to reporting anything serious.
Quoted message said:
Look up "free energy". Free energy is a type of device that goes on
providing more energy than what it takes to get it started. There are
many patents for free energy devices but they never get developed
commercially because of the oil cartel.
I know about those, Carole. They violate the second law of
thermodynamics, yet another scientific principle that is as far
outside your comprehension as Pluto is outside the orbit of the
Earth.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
This is why 5% of the people control 95% of the world's wealth which
means 95% of the people live off 5% of the wealth and the gap between
the rich and the poor is still growing. Time for a change, don't you
think Dave?
In some cases yes, but since your explanation is wrong, your solutions
would undoubtedly be spectacularly and comically wrong-headed.
Couldn't be less useful than yours. I've never heard you say anything
except add to suppression. You're a nice person but that doesn't make
your opinions any good.
Way better than yours. I've been wrong once in a while here, and I've
even admitted it. You ever admit to being wrong about anything?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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DRCEEPHD
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Subject: Re: Cesium cures cancer (contd)
From: "Anth" llsa_isa_wasteofskin@acupuncture_for_idiots.com
Date: 6/3/04 10:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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Sceptic camp can make negative results but the believers can get positive
results.
Anth
I agree with that. There is a very real effect from an individual
investigator. I have seen and experienced this in the lab.
For example, a synthesis of a compound may be be reported as being 90%
successful. Yet the first time you run the reaction you may get only 50%
yield. Yet, each and every time you run the reaction, your yield goes up
corresponding to your confidence until you finally can get the 90% yield. This
does occur in chemistry. Why and how?
Perhaps we need a new term like "placebo".
Maybe we should call it "believe-O".
DrC PhD

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5 June 2004, 15:44 UTC #14

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message

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Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
If homeopathy were as
effective and as wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim,
it'd be child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we
have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And anyway I've
heard that homeopathy has been proven scientifically.
No, homeopathy has not been proven scientifically. The few studies that
reported better than placebo results from homeopathic preparations have not
been replicated independently. Thousands of studies have demonstrated that
homeopathic medications have no effect other than as placeboes.
--Rich
Then homeopathy is being suppressed. This is easy to work out by any
thinking person. I can think of two reasons myself to support this
line of thinking, maybe more if I thought about it enough.
1. I've been taking lots of calcium for years, and everybody knows
that calcium needs to be kept in balance with magnesium. However, I
take my magnesium in homeopathic form and have no magnesium deficiency
problems.
2. Ether technology is something which is suppressed for reasons of
"national security". Lots of Tesla's discoveries dealt with ether and
anything which touches on ether is stopped and a material version of
science is substituted.
Free energy, weather control, homeopathy, scalar weapons, Rife and
Reich's work also - all suppressed.
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/science.htm

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6 June 2004, 16:56 UTC #15

In article <[email hidden]>,
Carole said:
"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
> If homeopathy were as
> effective and as wondrous as its practitioners and adherents claim,
> it'd be child's play to demonstrate it in a double-blind test. Yet we
> have no such results.
You obviously have the wrong people doing the tests. And anyway I've
heard that homeopathy has been proven scientifically.
No, homeopathy has not been proven scientifically. The few studies that
reported better than placebo results from homeopathic preparations have not
been replicated independently. Thousands of studies have demonstrated that
homeopathic medications have no effect other than as placeboes.

Then homeopathy is being suppressed. This is easy to work out by any
thinking person.
How would you know? In any event, homeopathy is not being
suppressed. There are lots of homeopaths out there, and lots of
homeopathic products on store shelves. It's about as suppressed
as aspirin.
Quoted message said:
I can think of two reasons myself to support this
line of thinking, maybe more if I thought about it enough.
1. I've been taking lots of calcium for years, and everybody knows
that calcium needs to be kept in balance with magnesium. However, I
take my magnesium in homeopathic form and have no magnesium deficiency
problems.
You just think you don't. How do you know? Magnesium deficiency is
one of the most common of all nutritional deficiencies, and in some
studies, over 80% of women are deficient in magnesium (and men are not
doing much better). Serious deficiency is rare, because the body is
very good at conserving magnesium, but it can happen.
Quoted message said:
2. Ether technology is something which is suppressed for reasons of
"national security". Lots of Tesla's discoveries dealt with ether and
anything which touches on ether is stopped and a material version of
science is substituted.
Free energy, weather control, homeopathy, scalar weapons, Rife and
Reich's work also - all suppressed.
No, not suppressed. Just a bunch of ideas that didn't work out.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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