Cellular phones and elevated iron levels

"doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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<<snip>> If, however, FeCl(2) with final concentration 10
microg/ml was added to

the

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lymphocyte suspensions to stimulate ROS production, after
both durations

of

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exposure, the magnitude of fluorescence (ROS level during
the experiment)

was

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significantly greater in the exposed lymphocytes. <<snip>>

Bioelectromagnetics. 2004 Jul;25(5):324-8. Related
Articles, Links

Acute exposure to 930 MHz CW electromagnetic radiation in
vitro affects reactive oxygen species level in rat
lymphocytes treated by iron ions.

Rats shouldn't bloody well HAVE phones. Confiscate them.

Beav

(doe) said:

<<snip>> If, however, FeCl(2) with final concentration 10
microg/ml was added to the lymphocyte suspensions to
stimulate ROS production, after both durations of exposure,
the magnitude of fluorescence (ROS level during the
experiment) was significantly greater in the exposed
lymphocytes. <<snip>>

Bioelectromagnetics. 2004 Jul;25(5):324-8. Related
Articles, Links

Acute exposure to 930 MHz CW electromagnetic radiation in
vitro affects reactive oxygen species level in rat
lymphocytes treated by iron ions.

Zmyslony M, Politanski P, Rajkowska E, Szymczak W, Jajte J.

Physical Hazards Department, Nofer Institute of
Occupational Medicine, Lodz, Poland.

The aim of this study was to test the hypothesis that the
930 MHz continuous wave (CW) electromagnetic field, which
is the carrier of signals emitted by cellular phones,

Some phones. We have higher frequencies available nowadays,
hence the requirement for dual and tri band phones.

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affects the reactive oxygen species (ROS) level in living
cells. Rat lymphocytes were used in the experiments. A
portion of the lymphocytes was treated with iron ions to
induce oxidative processes. Exposures to electromagnetic
radiation (power density 5 W/m(2), theoretical calculated
SAR = 1.5 W/kg) were performed within a GTEM cell.
Intracellular ROS were measured by the fluorescent probe
dichlorofluorescin diacetate (DCF-DA). The results show
that acute (5 and 15 min) exposure does not affect the
number of produced ROS.

Exposure at what range, using what sort of load or antenna?
A mistuned antenna would spatter harmonics all over the
place particularly when using such high output as 5W/m(2)
Why not make the test equitable and use an output that
equates to the output of a cell phone?

Enough microwave energy will cook anything. It tells me as
about much as putting one those rats into my microwave would
tell me. Not good for the rat.

How does it affect humans when applied via a cell phone? It
doesn't give a clue in that regard.

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If, however, FeCl(2) with final concentration 10 microg/ml
was added to the lymphocyte suspensions to stimulate ROS
production, after both durations of exposure, the
magnitude of fluorescence (ROS level during the
experiment) was significantly greater in the exposed
lymphocytes. The character of the changes in the number of
free radicals observed in our experiments was
qualitatively compatible with the theoretical prediction
from the model of electromagnetic radiation effect on
radical pairs. Bioelectromagnetics
25:324-328, 2004. Copyright 2004 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

PMID: 15197754 [PubMed - in process]

You purpose for posting this was? It means nothing when
taken out of context, and you haven't provided a context.

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Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
jesuswasavegetarian.7h.comjesuswasavegetarian.7h.comOpen ↗

You don't come across as having any religious leanings, but
for your information, Jesus wasn't a vegetarian.

Read:

Matthew 9:10, Mark 2:15, Luke 7:37, John 21:5

all of which indicate quite plainly that Jesus ate and
approved of meat.

I suppose that the "loaves & fishes", was really a
mistranslation, it was meant to be "loaves & some sort of
vegetable"?

Why keep posting this link?

Regards

David

What all of this means is not to pour rusty water over your
head if you have open wounds when using a cell phone, or
better still wear your aluminum foil hat instead of the
iron foil one.

Beav said:

"doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040617101742.29586.00000167@mb-
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<<snip>> If, however, FeCl(2) with final concentration 10
microg/ml was added to

the

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lymphocyte suspensions to stimulate ROS production, after
both durations

of

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exposure, the magnitude of fluorescence (ROS level during
the experiment)

was

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significantly greater in the exposed lymphocytes.
<<snip>>

Bioelectromagnetics. 2004 Jul;25(5):324-8. Related
Articles, Links

Acute exposure to 930 MHz CW electromagnetic radiation in
vitro affects reactive oxygen species level in rat
lymphocytes treated by iron ions.

Rats shouldn't bloody well HAVE phones. Confiscate them.

Beav

Hi Beav

Maybe the people who tell us those off-shore telemarketing
centres are in India are part of a giant conspiracy; the
real call-centres are down in the sewers using cell-phones,
managed by "brain", a giant albino rat.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

J David Anderson said:

Enough microwave energy will cook anything. It tells me as
about much as putting one those rats into my microwave
would tell me. Not good for the rat.

I recall seeing a science experiment on BBC Tomorrow's
World. They put an egg in between two cell phones with an
active connection, i.e., transmitting. At the end of the
half hour programme the egg was cooked, which, removing the
setting up explanation, and going through the maths and
theory which showed that this was what you would expect to
happen, was less than 25 mins cooking time.

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On 17 Jun 2004 14:17:42 GMT, [email hidden]

(doe) said:

<<snip>> If, however, FeCl(2) with final concentration 10
microg/ml was added to

the

Quoted message said:

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lymphocyte suspensions to stimulate ROS production, after
both durations

of

Quoted message said:

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exposure, the magnitude of fluorescence (ROS level during
the experiment)

was

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significantly greater in the exposed lymphocytes.
<<snip>>

Bioelectromagnetics. 2004 Jul;25(5):324-8. Related
Articles, Links

Acute exposure to 930 MHz CW electromagnetic radiation in
vitro affects reactive oxygen species level in rat
lymphocytes treated by iron ions.

Zmyslony M, Politanski P, Rajkowska E, Szymczak W,
Jajte J.

Physical Hazards Department, Nofer Institute of
Occupational Medicine,

Lodz,

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Poland.

The aim of this study was to test the hypothesis that the
930 MHz

continuous

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wave (CW) electromagnetic field, which is the carrier of
signals emitted

by

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cellular phones,

Some phones. We have higher frequencies available
nowadays, hence the requirement for dual and tri
band phones.

Stop confusing Bambi with questions David.

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affects the reactive oxygen species (ROS) level in
living cells. Rat lymphocytes were used in the
experiments. A portion of the lymphocytes was treated
with iron ions to induce oxidative processes.

Exposures

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to electromagnetic radiation (power density 5 W/m(2),
theoretical

calculated

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SAR = 1.5 W/kg) were performed within a GTEM cell.
Intracellular ROS were measured by the fluorescent probe
dichlorofluorescin diacetate (DCF-DA).

The

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results show that acute (5 and 15 min) exposure does not
affect the

number of

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produced ROS.

Exposure at what range, using what sort of load or
antenna? A mistuned antenna would spatter harmonics all
over the place particularly when using such high output as
5W/m(2) Why not make the test equitable and use an output
that equates to the output of a cell phone?

Especially question like that.

Beav

Now I have seen some unmitigated [censored] posted here, but this
makes tom the Watchtroll look sane.

Give a reference for such an idiotic statement - it sure
doesn't show up in the BBC archives.

Chris Malcolm said:

J David Anderson said:

Enough microwave energy will cook anything. It tells me as
about much as putting one those rats into my microwave
would tell me. Not good for the rat.

I recall seeing a science experiment on BBC Tomorrow's
World. They put an egg in between two cell phones with an
active connection, i.e., transmitting. At the end of the
half hour programme the egg was cooked, which, removing
the setting up explanation, and going through the maths
and theory which showed that this was what you would
expect to happen, was less than 25 mins cooking time.

--
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DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings,
Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
["]http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook

"Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Acute exposure to 930 MHz CW electromagnetic radiation
in vitro affects reactive oxygen species level in rat
lymphocytes treated by iron ions.

Rats shouldn't bloody well HAVE phones. Confiscate them.

Beav

Hi Beav

Maybe the people who tell us those off-shore telemarketing
centres are in India are part of a giant conspiracy; the
real call-centres are down in the sewers using cell-
phones, managed by "brain", a giant albino rat.

Yeah, and held in captivity by Bambi :-)

Beav

Ted Rosenberg said:

Chris Malcolm said:

J David Anderson <[email hidden]> writes:

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Enough microwave energy will cook anything. It tells me
as about much as putting one those rats into my microwave
would tell me. Not good for the rat.

Quoted message said:

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I recall seeing a science experiment on BBC Tomorrow's
World. They put an egg in between two cell phones with an
active connection, i.e., transmitting. At the end of the
half hour programme the egg was cooked, which, removing
the setting up explanation, and going through the maths
and theory which showed that this was what you would
expect to happen, was less than 25 mins cooking time.

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Now I have seen some unmitigated [censored] posted here, but this
makes tom the Watchtroll look sane.

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Give a reference for such an idiotic statement

Only if you ask nicely.

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- it sure doesn't show up in the BBC archives.

Any particular reason why you think it should?
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
["]http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

cc'd by email look twut you post a statement worthy of Mad
Betty to the group, one which ie totally unverifiable, and
disagrees with all published research.

The qustion is "Are you setting up a scam?" or "are you
merely mstupid" or, " is thre some kernal of truth which s
difficult to find"

Your post clearley eliminated the third possibility

Chris Malcolm said:

Ted Rosenberg said:

Chris Malcolm said:

J David Anderson <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Enough microwave energy will cook anything. It tells me
>as about much as putting one those rats into my
>microwave would tell me. Not good for the rat.

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I recall seeing a science experiment on BBC Tomorrow's
World. They put an egg in between two cell phones with an
active connection, i.e., transmitting. At the end of the
half hour programme the egg was cooked, which, removing
the setting up explanation, and going through the maths
and theory which showed that this was what you would
expect to happen, was less than 25 mins cooking time.

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Now I have seen some unmitigated [censored] posted here, but
this makes tom the Watchtroll look sane.

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Give a reference for such an idiotic statement

Only if you ask nicely.

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- it sure doesn't show up in the BBC archives.

Any particular reason why you think it should?
--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445
DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings,
Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
["]http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as
history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook

Ted Rosenberg said:

Chris Malcolm said:

Ted Rosenberg said:

Chris Malcolm wrote:

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>I recall seeing a science experiment on BBC Tomorrow's
>World. They put an egg in between two cell phones with
>an active connection, i.e., transmitting. At the end of
>the half hour programme the egg was cooked, which,
>removing the setting up explanation, and going through
>the maths and theory which showed that this was what
>you would expect to happen, was less than 25 mins
>cooking time.

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Now I have seen some unmitigated [censored] posted here, but
this makes tom the Watchtroll look sane. Give a reference
for such an idiotic statement

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Only if you ask nicely.

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look twut you post a statement worthy of Mad Betty to the
group, one which ie totally unverifiable, and disagrees
with all published research.

Even a half-wit ought to be able to see how easy it would be
to verify. And it certainly doesn't disagree with all
published research, but you'd have to be more than a half-
wit to discover that.

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The qustion is "Are you setting up a scam?" or "are you
merely mstupid" or, " is thre some kernal of truth which s
difficult to find"

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Your post clearley eliminated the third possibility

Ok, I'll take that as a rude reply.
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Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
["]http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

AND, since it doesn't verify at all Ity seems that you have
some purpose for yopur falsehood

Chris Malcolm said:

Ted Rosenberg said:

Chris Malcolm said:

Ted Rosenberg <[email hidden]> writes:

>Chris Malcolm wrote:

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>>I recall seeing a science experiment on BBC Tomorrow's
>>World. They put an egg in between two cell phones with
>>an active connection, i.e., transmitting. At the end of
>>the half hour programme the egg was cooked, which,
>>removing the setting up explanation, and going through
>>the maths and theory which showed that this was what
>>you would expect to happen, was less than 25 mins
>>cooking time.

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>Now I have seen some unmitigated [censored] posted here, but
>this makes tom the Watchtroll look sane. Give a
>reference for such an idiotic statement

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Only if you ask nicely.

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look twut you post a statement worthy of Mad Betty to the
group, one which ie totally unverifiable, and disagrees
with all published research.

Even a half-wit ought to be able to see how easy it would
be to verify. And it certainly doesn't disagree with all
published research, but you'd have to be more than a half-
wit to discover that.

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The qustion is "Are you setting up a scam?" or "are you
merely mstupid" or, " is thre some kernal of truth which s
difficult to find"

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Your post clearley eliminated the third possibility

Ok, I'll take that as a rude reply.
--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445
DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings,
Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
["]http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as
history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook

Ted Rosenberg said:

Chris Malcolm said:

Ted Rosenberg said:

Chris Malcolm wrote:
>Ted Rosenberg <[email hidden]> writes:
>>Chris Malcolm wrote:

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>>>I recall seeing a science experiment on BBC Tomorrow's
>>>World. They put an egg in between two cell phones with
>>>an active connection, i.e., transmitting. At the end
>>>of the half hour programme the egg was cooked, which,
>>>removing the setting up explanation, and going through
>>>the maths and theory which showed that this was what
>>>you would expect to happen, was less than 25 mins
>>>cooking time.

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>>Now I have seen some unmitigated [censored] posted here, but
>>this makes tom the Watchtroll look sane. Give a
>>reference for such an idiotic statement

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>Only if you ask nicely.

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look twut you post a statement worthy of Mad Betty to the
group, one which ie totally unverifiable, and disagrees
with all published research.

Quoted message said:

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Even a half-wit ought to be able to see how easy it would
be to verify. And it certainly doesn't disagree with all
published research, but you'd have to be more than a half-
wit to discover that.

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

The qustion is "Are you setting up a scam?" or "are you
merely mstupid" or, " is thre some kernal of truth which
s difficult to find"

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Your post clearley eliminated the third possibility

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Ok, I'll take that as a rude reply.

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AND, since it doesn't verify at all Ity seems that you have
some purpose for yopur falsehood

I've already said that if you want me to tell you, then you
must ask nicely.

My purpose is to improve your manners. The question you have
to answer is whether you want to know more than you want to
indulge your illiterate foul-mouthed childish tantrums.
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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cc'd by email

Chris Malcolm wrote: <snip>

more self-serving [censored] from a fraud
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history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook