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  1. CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    November 18th, 2003

    Who says the national media isn't interested in the attack on
    Alternative Medicine? If it was YOU, don't say it any more, because it
    just happened in Madison, Wisconsin. And, it wasn't that hard to
    accomplish.

    I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in
    Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison,
    Wisconsin's capitol. I also neglected to mention that CBS was
    traveling around the State, interviewing top AltMed leaders on camera.

    Of course, I kept it to myself that CBS was carefully directed to take
    a HARD look at the Quackbuster operation nationwide, including the
    dubious National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF), the
    questionable website www.quackwatch.com, and their relationship with
    two card-carrying quackbuster members employed as Wisconsin Department
    of Regulation & Licensing (DRL) prosecutors, Arthur Thexton, and James
    Polewski.

    Why did I keep this quiet? When we've been working on this for months?
    I like to surprise the quackbusters. It's good for their psyche.

    I have no idea how we could have done all this media filming without
    the quackpots catching on. I mean, there were cameras everywhere. CBS
    filmed the WHOLE hearing we had in front of the Wisconsin Assembly
    Health Committee. CBS interviewers practically beat down DRL's door
    trying to interview quackbusters Thexton and Polewski. In typical
    quackbuster fashion, they hid from the cameras.

    I'm not going to tell you what CBS said. I'm going to send you to
    their website, and let you read the broadcast summary of 'It's
    Clearly A Witch Hunt' for yourself. But pay close attention to one
    quote from the new head of the DRL, Donsia Strong Hill, when she says
    "What I inherited were a group of prosecutors who basically had
    functioned in the past with very little supervision over them or
    direction or even the establishment of priorities," Strong Hill said.
    "We certainly have changed that."

    When News 3 asked Strong Hill, "You're supervising them more closely?"
    She responded, "They are definitely being supervised more closely."

    We, the North American Health Freedom Movement, have really only BEGUN
    the War in Wisconsin. There is a lot of work to be accomplished. A lot
    of things that need to be completed.

    And, CBS has just begun their "Investigative Report" on the subject.
    Of course we provided CBS with video tape of the cross-examination of
    NCAHF president, and hair removal specialist, Robert S. Baratz,
    including his tearful testimony, and his physical reaction when
    confronted with the reality of his professional career.

    I love it when a plan comes together.

    Stay tuned...

    Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

  2. Ok, Tim. Maybe you can point them in the right direction re: your accusations
    that the quackbuster operations are being plotted in a NY ad agency funded by
    pharmaceutical companies. That might be a really fun expose, better than just
    a Wisconsin thing.

    That would be *much* bigger than a couple of out of control prosecutors in
    Wisconsin.

    I hope CBS interviews the 73 year old woman that Baratz has sued for assault.
    Oh, that might have to wait until after the case is heard. But how about the
    law school dean, whose car Baratz ran into while running?

    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
    the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
    there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

  3. Quoted message said:

    I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in
    Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison,

    Umm, I did get the website for the first report--

    http://www.channel3000.com/news/2643873/detail.html

    Tim, I would call this a local CBS affiliate. Just in the interests of keeping
    the facts straight!! And to think all of us were expecting it on 60 Minutes!!
    Find that NY ad agency and maybe it will be.

    What I did note is that doctors WHO HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS LODGED AGAINST THEM
    have been targeted.

    However, Tim, like Barrett, is engaging in selective quoting of the report, so
    read it yourself.

    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
    the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
    there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

  4. "BL 1204" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I hope CBS interviews the 73 year old woman that Baratz has sued for


    assault.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, that might have to wait until after the case is heard.

    That would be neat. I'd like to hear her answer to why she
    was viewing patient files. [unauthorized, I might add]
    The files that Dr Baratz was trying to protect from being
    taken out of the building when she injured his arm.

    Yep, I think that would make a good story.

    [..]

  5. "Tim Bolen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not going to tell you what CBS said. I'm going to send you to
    their website, and let you read the broadcast summary of 'It's
    Clearly A Witch Hunt' for yourself. But pay close attention to one
    quote from the new head of the DRL, Donsia Strong Hill, when she says
    "What I inherited were a group of prosecutors who basically had
    functioned in the past with very little supervision over them or
    direction or even the establishment of priorities," Strong Hill said.
    "We certainly have changed that."

    When News 3 asked Strong Hill, "You're supervising them more closely?"
    She responded, "They are definitely being supervised more closely."

    Good to see another strong dynamic woman supervising
    directing and working closely with her prosecutors.
    She's doing such a fine job fighting quackery and protecting
    the public.
    I think I'll send her a letter of support for her efforts.

    I love it when a plan comes together.

  6. I remember you getting called a 'quack' in the cancer support newsgroup for
    posting your site to me when my mother was sick.
    What's the link again?
    Anth

    "Nana Weedkiller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "BL 1204" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I hope CBS interviews the 73 year old woman that Baratz has sued for


    assault.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, that might have to wait until after the case is heard.

    That would be neat. I'd like to hear her answer to why she
    was viewing patient files. [unauthorized, I might add]
    The files that Dr Baratz was trying to protect from being
    taken out of the building when she injured his arm.

    Yep, I think that would make a good story.

    [..]

  7. "BL 1204" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in
    Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison,

    Umm, I did get the website for the first report--

    http://www.channel3000.com/news/2643873/detail.html

    Tim, I would call this a local CBS affiliate. Just in the interests of


    keeping

    Quoted message said:

    the facts straight!! And to think all of us were expecting it on 60


    Minutes!!

    Quoted message said:

    Find that NY ad agency and maybe it will be.

    What I did note is that doctors WHO HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS LODGED AGAINST


    THEM

    Quoted message said:

    have been targeted.

    However, Tim, like Barrett, is engaging in selective quoting of the


    report, so

    Quoted message said:

    read it yourself.

    Please demonstrate where Barrett has selectively quoted.

    His website contains the entire Kadile complaint in it original format.

  8. "Tim Bolen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Hi Tim.

    I asked you in the other thread about providing the exact citation of where
    I can read the cross exam of Dr. Baratz which shows that he is not board
    certified. Can you please take a moment to provide the exact citation?
    Thanks.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Can you please take a moment to provide the exact citation?
    Thanks.

    Mark, that is probably part of the cross that was not put on the website. If
    you are that interested, why don't you call the groups?

    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
    the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
    there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

  10. Quoted message said:

    Please demonstrate where Barrett has selectively quoted.

    I didn't mean with regard to this case. I really haven't followed that. But
    on the diabetes group recently I posted how he selectively quoted research on
    reflexology. This came up when someone posted.

    That is just an example of what he does on his website.

    http://www.google.com/groups?q=quackwatch+group:misc.health.diabetes&hl=en
    &lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=20031102155116.10551.00000129%40mb-m10.aol.co
    m&rnum=3

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/vl0a

    Hope that works.

    The guy has an agenda, and his webpage is NOT an unbiased look at various
    alternative medicine modalities.

    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
    the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
    there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

  11. Marko Proberto said:


    "Tim Bolen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Hi Tim.

    I asked you in the other thread about providing the exact citation of where
    I can read the cross exam of Dr. Baratz which shows that he is not board
    certified. Can you please take a moment to provide the exact citation?
    Thanks.

    Perhaps Tim will let me read it when I drop in to his mailbox office
    in January. I imagine I will have to stand in the street to read it
    because there probably isn't room in the mailbox for Tim, me and the
    transcript together.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
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    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
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  12. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault...
    From: [email hidden] (BL 1204)
    Date: 11/18/2003 7:56 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in
    Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison,

    Umm, I did get the website for the first report--

    http://www.channel3000.com/news/2643873/detail.html

    Tim, I would call this a local CBS affiliate. Just in the interests of
    keeping
    the facts straight!! And to think all of us were expecting it on 60
    Minutes!!
    Find that NY ad agency and maybe it will be.

    What I did note is that doctors WHO HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS LODGED AGAINST
    THEM
    have been targeted.

    However, Tim, like Barrett, is engaging in selective quoting of the report,
    so
    read it yourself.

    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
    the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
    there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

    The National Council Against Health Fraud's Mission statement says it focuses
    attention on health fraud, misinformation and quackery as public health
    problems.

    That clearly is a lie. They don't mention Dr Wilson who clearly committed
    fraud, kept secrets from this loving and caring, volunteering teanager and his
    family and is still on staff.

    I think it's pretty inappropriate that a prosecutor for the state should become
    a member of a political group that has as their very mission the exposure and
    destruction of complimentary and alternative medicine," Waters said.

    Yep far more than inappropriate. More like became a member, after he was paid.
    That's how *organized medicine* works.

    They should be known as the organized medicine mafia.

    Jan

  13. "BL 1204" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Can you please take a moment to provide the exact citation?
    Thanks.

    Mark, that is probably part of the cross that was not put on the website.


    If

    Quoted message said:

    you are that interested, why don't you call the groups?

    Please allow Mr. Bolen to provide the answer. It goes to his credibility.

  14. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I remember you getting called a 'quack' in the cancer support newsgroup


    for

    Quoted message said:

    posting your site to me when my mother was sick.
    What's the link again?
    Anth

    I'm sorry, Anth, I don't have a website. You must have me confused
    with another Nana.
    My condolences on the loss of your mother.

    Quoted message said:

    "Nana Weedkiller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

  15. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault...
    From: [email hidden] (BL 1204)
    Date: 11/18/2003 2:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Please demonstrate where Barrett has selectively quoted.

    I didn't mean with regard to this case. I really haven't followed that. But
    on the diabetes group recently I posted how he selectively quoted research on
    reflexology. This came up when someone posted.

    That is just an example of what he does on his website.

    http://www.google.com/groups?q=quackwatch+group:misc.health.diabetes&hl=en
    &lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=20031102155116.10551.00000129%40mb-m10.aol.co
    m&rnum=3

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/vl0a

    Hope that works.

    The guy has an agenda, and his webpage is NOT an unbiased look at various
    alternative medicine modalities.

    Not only that he is arrogant.

    Stating no alternative practitioner can be trusted.

    He even goes against some alternative methods that have been acepted by
    conventional. That's because he can't admit he was wrong.

    His lackeys here are just like him.

    Jan

    Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain

  16. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault...
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 11/18/2003 2:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Marko Proberto said:


    "Tim Bolen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Hi Tim.

    I asked you in the other thread about providing the exact citation of where
    I can read the cross exam of Dr. Baratz which shows that he is not board
    certified. Can you please take a moment to provide the exact citation?
    Thanks.

    Perhaps Tim will let me read it when I drop in to his mailbox office
    in January. I imagine I will have to stand in the street to read it
    because there probably isn't room in the mailbox for Tim, me and the
    transcript together.

    Way to go Peter!! You sound just like him!! Congrads!!

    Aren't you proud.

    Jan

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (BL 1204) said:

    Ok, Tim. Maybe you can point them in the right direction re: your accusations
    that the quackbuster operations are being plotted in a NY ad agency funded by
    pharmaceutical companies. That might be a really fun expose, better than just
    a Wisconsin thing.

    That would be *much* bigger than a couple of out of control prosecutors in
    Wisconsin.

    Indeed. It'd be real interesting to see if Tim try to get a national
    network to investigate his accusations.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (BL 1204) said:
    Quoted message said:

    I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in
    Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison,

    Umm, I did get the website for the first report--

    http://www.channel3000.com/news/2643873/detail.html

    Tim, I would call this a local CBS affiliate. Just in the interests of
    keeping
    the facts straight!! And to think all of us were expecting it on 60
    Minutes!!

    Well, well, well. It looks like ol' Timmy has been caught in a bit of
    exaggeration. It looks like the reports are being done by the local CBS
    affiliate in Madison, WI. Not exactly your national or big-market
    report, I'm afraid. It's not likely to have any repercussions outside
    the CBS channel 3 viewing area in central Wisconsin, I'm afraid.

    Quoted message said:

    Find that NY ad agency and maybe it will be.

    You don't honestly expect Tim to back up his claims, do you?

    [Snip]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Orac said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (BL 1204) said:

    Ok, Tim. Maybe you can point them in the right direction re: your
    accusations that the quackbuster operations are being plotted in a
    NY ad agency funded by pharmaceutical companies. That might be a
    really fun expose, better than just a Wisconsin thing.

    That would be *much* bigger than a couple of out of control
    prosecutors in Wisconsin.

    Indeed. It'd be real interesting to see if Tim try to get a national
    network to investigate his accusations.

    I have no idea what Bolen looks like, but I always picture him as
    twitching a lot, foaming at the mouth, and screaming every so often.
    Does anyone else get the same impression?

    I don't think he'd make good TV.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    BL 1204 said:
    Quoted message said:

    I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in
    Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison,

    Umm, I did get the website for the first report--

    http://www.channel3000.com/news/2643873/detail.html

    Yep. The second part was supposed to air today (Tuesday) but is not
    yet on the web site as I write this.

    Quoted message said:

    Tim, I would call this a local CBS affiliate. Just in the interests
    of keeping the facts straight!! And to think all of us were
    expecting it on 60 Minutes!! Find that NY ad agency and maybe it
    will be.

    What I did note is that doctors WHO HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS LODGED AGAINST THEM
    have been targeted.

    I didn't see that. Where did you see that? Another doctor, named
    Watters, has been investigated, but there's a 1997 complaint against
    him.

    Quoted message said:

    However, Tim, like Barrett, is engaging in selective quoting of the
    report, so read it yourself.

    Definitely. It certainly didn't seem to exonerate Kadile to me.

    You sound surprised that Bolen is distorting the truth. Why would you
    be surprised?

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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