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  1. Well, kinda sorta. I ride regularly around Albert Park Lake, currently
    being transformed into the Formula One circuit for the race in March. I
    used to ride exclusively on the gravel running/bike track but since
    Lakeside Drive, the roughly north-south road that forms the eastern part of
    the race track, passes very close to the lake proper, that part of the track
    is now largely covered by grandstands and what have you, the resulting
    zig-zag being perhaps suitable for mountain bikes and not much else. I
    accordingly have been riding along Lakeside Drive itself, and incidentally
    been having a bit of fun with the fools who try to block it off to all
    traffic from 7pm onwards even though there's no reason to do so until the
    complete road closure beginning March 1 (the race is March 7).

    The other night I was a bit earlier than usual and arrived just as the
    maintenance crew were finishing off putting the big, plastic barriers across
    the road. Normally by about half-past seven at least one of them has been
    shifted by a cyclist so bikes can get through, this being the only obstacle
    to completing a lap of the lake, but as I said I was early. So, I went left
    off the bitumen about a hundred metres before the roadblock, just after the
    rowing club, rode past it until I came to a gap in the concrete fencing,
    hooked back through it, onto the grass and headed for the road. From a
    distance I heard cries of "Excuse me! Excuse me!" but I resolutely ignored
    them, chortling inside because their ute was on the far side of the
    roadblock from where I was and no council worker was going to run after me,
    particularly since there's no actual reason I shouldn't ride on the road
    apart from the organisers' arrogance and stupidity. The metal chain having
    been removed from the small wooden posts that line the road, it was trivial
    for me to lift my bike over the bunting in its place and ride off towards
    South Melbourne.

    When you get to the South Melbourne end you have two choices how you come
    back around. You can get back on the gravel running/bike path around about
    the soccer stadium and complete the lap as normal, or you can stay on the
    bitumen, following the road which is to be the main straight and adjacent
    bits. As it happens you don't have to follow that road all the way, once
    you get past the car park and the swimming centre, just before the huge
    grandstands start, there's a service road just off to the left which runs
    behind where the pits will be and hooks up again with the road/race track up
    the far end of the circuit. When I take the bitumen route I take this
    service road.

    As it happens, about halfway along the service road there is now a big,
    orange metal contraption with one of those oversized "LED" displays (I know
    they're not really LEDs but you know what I mean) and a speed limit sign.
    Somewhere there's also a laser or a radar, and that's where I got caught
    speeding. You see, the limit is 10kph and the first time I went through I
    got a big "22". I was just a tad disappointed but it was my second lap and
    I don't pretend to be super fit or anything so I wasn't pushing as hard as I
    probably should have. Anyway, the other night I remembered my "22" and
    pushed a bit harder and got a "26", with which I was well pleased. The
    hard-core racers are probably thinking this is all a bit pathetic but I ride
    a hybrid, with not only the expected differences in gearing, but also, since
    I live in St Kilda, with enough locks and chains to sink a battleship, so I
    reckon my laps count for more than theirs.

    So, if you're in the area sometime in the next couple of weeks, why not ride
    up this service road and see what your speed is.

    --

    "The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
    involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
    Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia

  2. Sometime ago, we had one of these on the Coronation Drive bikeway in
    Brisbane. I think the idea was to inform cyclists when they were speeding
    and to suggest they slow down in future. However, it became a challenge for
    some cyclists to try and beat their personal best each day when passing it.
    I remember getting the timing just right one day to get my mountain bike
    with slicks to register a 46. I think the council realised that it was'nt
    achieving the desired result and removed it a couple of weeks later.

    Jeff Westwood

  3. Greetings,
    Can do better than that, I was really caught for
    speeding on my bicycle. It occurred way back in 1978, I was coming down
    the Maroondah Hwy into Healesville going fairly flat chat, and I hit one
    of the old fashioned amphometers at around 70 k/mh. The officer waved me
    in and couldn't believe it. `You got a licence to drive that thing?' he
    asked. Sadly, I wasn't given a ticket, I would have had it framed. I
    have gone considerably faster on a bike in various places since, but
    have never actually been pulled up for it.
    Cheers,
    Ray.

    DRS said:

    Well, kinda sorta. I ride regularly around Albert Park Lake, currently
    being transformed into the Formula One circuit for the race in March. I
    used to ride exclusively on the gravel running/bike track but since
    Lakeside Drive, the roughly north-south road that forms the eastern part of
    the race track, passes very close to the lake proper, that part of the track
    is now largely covered by grandstands and what have you, the resulting
    zig-zag being perhaps suitable for mountain bikes and not much else. I
    accordingly have been riding along Lakeside Drive itself, and incidentally
    been having a bit of fun with the fools who try to block it off to all
    traffic from 7pm onwards even though there's no reason to do so until the
    complete road closure beginning March 1 (the race is March 7).

    The other night I was a bit earlier than usual and arrived just as the
    maintenance crew were finishing off putting the big, plastic barriers across
    the road. Normally by about half-past seven at least one of them has been
    shifted by a cyclist so bikes can get through, this being the only obstacle
    to completing a lap of the lake, but as I said I was early. So, I went left
    off the bitumen about a hundred metres before the roadblock, just after the
    rowing club, rode past it until I came to a gap in the concrete fencing,
    hooked back through it, onto the grass and headed for the road. From a
    distance I heard cries of "Excuse me! Excuse me!" but I resolutely ignored
    them, chortling inside because their ute was on the far side of the
    roadblock from where I was and no council worker was going to run after me,
    particularly since there's no actual reason I shouldn't ride on the road
    apart from the organisers' arrogance and stupidity. The metal chain having
    been removed from the small wooden posts that line the road, it was trivial
    for me to lift my bike over the bunting in its place and ride off towards
    South Melbourne.

    When you get to the South Melbourne end you have two choices how you come
    back around. You can get back on the gravel running/bike path around about
    the soccer stadium and complete the lap as normal, or you can stay on the
    bitumen, following the road which is to be the main straight and adjacent
    bits. As it happens you don't have to follow that road all the way, once
    you get past the car park and the swimming centre, just before the huge
    grandstands start, there's a service road just off to the left which runs
    behind where the pits will be and hooks up again with the road/race track up
    the far end of the circuit. When I take the bitumen route I take this
    service road.

    As it happens, about halfway along the service road there is now a big,
    orange metal contraption with one of those oversized "LED" displays (I know
    they're not really LEDs but you know what I mean) and a speed limit sign.
    Somewhere there's also a laser or a radar, and that's where I got caught
    speeding. You see, the limit is 10kph and the first time I went through I
    got a big "22". I was just a tad disappointed but it was my second lap and
    I don't pretend to be super fit or anything so I wasn't pushing as hard as I
    probably should have. Anyway, the other night I remembered my "22" and
    pushed a bit harder and got a "26", with which I was well pleased. The
    hard-core racers are probably thinking this is all a bit pathetic but I ride
    a hybrid, with not only the expected differences in gearing, but also, since
    I live in St Kilda, with enough locks and chains to sink a battleship, so I
    reckon my laps count for more than theirs.

    So, if you're in the area sometime in the next couple of weeks, why not ride
    up this service road and see what your speed is.

  4. "Ray Peace" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Can do better than that, I was really caught for speeding on
    my bicycle. It occurred way back in 1978, I was coming down the
    Maroondah Hwy into Healesville going fairly flat chat, and I
    hit one of the old fashioned amphometers at around 70 k/mh. The
    officer waved me in and couldn't believe it. `You got a licence
    to drive that thing?' he asked. Sadly, I wasn't given a ticket,
    I would have had it framed. I have gone considerably faster on
    a bike in various places since, but have never actually been
    pulled up for it.

    According to "Pedal Power", the ACT cyclists' association at
    http://www.pedalpower.org.au/about/law.htm, "At present, no speed
    limits in the ACT apply to cyclists on or off the road."
    Assuming this is correct, is the ACT unique in this liberal
    attitude?

    John

  5. yeah, they are heaps of fun... check out my efforts at the link below..

    http://members.iinet.net.au/~gplama/bike/beatthesign.html

    "DRS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, kinda sorta. I ride regularly around Albert Park Lake, currently
    being transformed into the Formula One circuit for the race in March. I
    used to ride exclusively on the gravel running/bike track but since
    Lakeside Drive, the roughly north-south road that forms the eastern part


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the race track, passes very close to the lake proper, that part of the


    track

    Quoted message said:

    is now largely covered by grandstands and what have you, the resulting
    zig-zag being perhaps suitable for mountain bikes and not much else. I
    accordingly have been riding along Lakeside Drive itself, and incidentally
    been having a bit of fun with the fools who try to block it off to all
    traffic from 7pm onwards even though there's no reason to do so until the
    complete road closure beginning March 1 (the race is March 7).

    The other night I was a bit earlier than usual and arrived just as the
    maintenance crew were finishing off putting the big, plastic barriers


    across

    Quoted message said:

    the road. Normally by about half-past seven at least one of them has been
    shifted by a cyclist so bikes can get through, this being the only


    obstacle

    Quoted message said:

    to completing a lap of the lake, but as I said I was early. So, I went


    left

    Quoted message said:

    off the bitumen about a hundred metres before the roadblock, just after


    the

    Quoted message said:

    rowing club, rode past it until I came to a gap in the concrete fencing,
    hooked back through it, onto the grass and headed for the road. From a
    distance I heard cries of "Excuse me! Excuse me!" but I resolutely


    ignored

    Quoted message said:

    them, chortling inside because their ute was on the far side of the
    roadblock from where I was and no council worker was going to run after


    me,

    Quoted message said:

    particularly since there's no actual reason I shouldn't ride on the road
    apart from the organisers' arrogance and stupidity. The metal chain


    having

    Quoted message said:

    been removed from the small wooden posts that line the road, it was


    trivial

    Quoted message said:

    for me to lift my bike over the bunting in its place and ride off towards
    South Melbourne.

    When you get to the South Melbourne end you have two choices how you come
    back around. You can get back on the gravel running/bike path around


    about

    Quoted message said:

    the soccer stadium and complete the lap as normal, or you can stay on the
    bitumen, following the road which is to be the main straight and adjacent
    bits. As it happens you don't have to follow that road all the way, once
    you get past the car park and the swimming centre, just before the huge
    grandstands start, there's a service road just off to the left which runs
    behind where the pits will be and hooks up again with the road/race track


    up

    Quoted message said:

    the far end of the circuit. When I take the bitumen route I take this
    service road.

    As it happens, about halfway along the service road there is now a big,
    orange metal contraption with one of those oversized "LED" displays (I


    know

    Quoted message said:

    they're not really LEDs but you know what I mean) and a speed limit sign.
    Somewhere there's also a laser or a radar, and that's where I got caught
    speeding. You see, the limit is 10kph and the first time I went through I
    got a big "22". I was just a tad disappointed but it was my second lap


    and

    Quoted message said:

    I don't pretend to be super fit or anything so I wasn't pushing as hard as


    I

    Quoted message said:

    probably should have. Anyway, the other night I remembered my "22" and
    pushed a bit harder and got a "26", with which I was well pleased. The
    hard-core racers are probably thinking this is all a bit pathetic but I


    ride

    Quoted message said:

    a hybrid, with not only the expected differences in gearing, but also,


    since

    Quoted message said:

    I live in St Kilda, with enough locks and chains to sink a battleship, so


    I

    Quoted message said:

    reckon my laps count for more than theirs.

    So, if you're in the area sometime in the next couple of weeks, why not


    ride

    Quoted message said:

    up this service road and see what your speed is.

    --

    "The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
    involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
    Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia

  6. "GPLama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    yeah, they are heaps of fun... check out my efforts at the link below..

    Looks like a downhill run to me :-)

    Jeff Westwood

  7. shhhhhhh.. yeah, was a little on the down...

    "Jeff Westwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "GPLama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    yeah, they are heaps of fun... check out my efforts at the link below..

    Looks like a downhill run to me :-)

    Jeff Westwood

  8. Click here and scroll down a tad:
    http://trisled.com.au/speedy.htm

    110km in a 60km zone..naughty boys. :

    -

  9. GPLama <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    yeah, they are heaps of fun... check out my efforts at the link
    below..

    http://members.iinet.net.au/~gplama/bike/beatthesign.html

    It'd be nice to have the sort of bike that would do that sort of speed. I'm
    going to change the gearing on my hybrid, if I go down any sort of decent
    hill I quickly run out of gears.

    --

    "The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
    involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
    Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia

  10. yeah, my mtb tends to do that a little.. but when climbing hills on the
    roady I really miss the mtb gearing 🙂

    "DRS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    GPLama <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    yeah, they are heaps of fun... check out my efforts at the link
    below..

    http://members.iinet.net.au/~gplama/bike/beatthesign.html

    It'd be nice to have the sort of bike that would do that sort of speed.


    I'm

    Quoted message said:

    going to change the gearing on my hybrid, if I go down any sort of decent
    hill I quickly run out of gears.

    --

    "The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
    involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
    Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia

  11. Jeff Westwood said:

    Sometime ago, we had one of these on the Coronation Drive bikeway in
    Brisbane. I think the idea was to inform cyclists when they were speeding
    and to suggest they slow down in future. However, it became a challenge for
    some cyclists to try and beat their personal best each day when passing it.
    I remember getting the timing just right one day to get my mountain bike
    with slicks to register a 46. I think the council realised that it was'nt
    achieving the desired result and removed it a couple of weeks later.

    Jeff Westwood


    The ones in Sydney's Centennial Park deliberately don't register speeds
    more than 20km/h over the 30km/h limit*, I guess to discourage just this
    kind of activity.

    &roo

    * Disclaimer: this is actually printed on the unit, not determined by
    the experimental method. Especially not coming down the hill from the
    cannons with the stop sign at the bottom.

  12. DRS said:

    It'd be nice to have the sort of bike that would do that sort of speed. I'm
    going to change the gearing on my hybrid, if I go down any sort of decent
    hill I quickly run out of gears.

    Howdy DRS,

    What cluster do you have on your Hybrid, I'm working on re gearing my
    MTB by changing the last couple of gears to higher ratios,. I've got a
    megarange (love that granny gear) and the standard top gear is 13
    tooth. I've put on an 11 tooth which makes a huge difference and now
    working on changing the next 2 down to higher ratios. You can pull a
    cluster appart by removing the rivets. Mind you I'm doing all this to
    an HG70 type not a wizz bang 9 speed blah blah blah unit that costs as
    much as my bike.

    May all your cycling adventures be with a tailwind,

    Neil.

  13. forgetit (apologies) (tomuchspam) .com.au <@bsmail> wrote in message
    [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    DRS said:

    It'd be nice to have the sort of bike that would do that sort of
    speed. I'm going to change the gearing on my hybrid, if I go down
    any sort of decent hill I quickly run out of gears.

    Howdy DRS,

    What cluster do you have on your Hybrid,

    I have absolutely no idea. I have a 27-speed MBC Shogun Metro.
    http://www.bikes.com.au/2004_CataloguePage_3.html#item_MBC_Shogun_Hybrid_zn_27_Speed

    Right now I don't know enough to know exactly what I'd want or how much it
    would cost, I just know I'm tired of running out of top-end gears. I spend
    most of my riding life in gears 25/26 and I still get passed by mountain
    bikes!

    --

    "The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
    involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
    Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia

  14. DRS said:


    Right now I don't know enough to know exactly what I'd want or how much it
    would cost, I just know I'm tired of running out of top-end gears. I spend
    most of my riding life in gears 25/26 and I still get passed by mountain
    bikes!

    Hello DRS,

    Forgive my lack of knowlege but does the Hybrid have three or two
    rings on the cranks. I would imagine that with a 27 speed bike your
    highest gear would be fairly good say 11 to 30 tooth on the wheel and
    say 22, 32, 42 or 44 on the cranks.

    Is 25 say big ring and 7th on the wheel?

    May all your cycling adventures be with a tailwind,

    Neil.

  15. forgetit (apologies) (tomuchspam) .com.au <@bsmail> wrote in message
    [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    DRS said:


    Right now I don't know enough to know exactly what I'd want or how
    much it would cost, I just know I'm tired of running out of top-end
    gears. I spend most of my riding life in gears 25/26 and I still
    get passed by mountain bikes!

    Forgive my lack of knowlege but does the Hybrid have three or two
    rings on the cranks. I would imagine that with a 27 speed bike your
    highest gear would be fairly good say 11 to 30 tooth on the wheel and
    say 22, 32, 42 or 44 on the cranks.

    Is 25 say big ring and 7th on the wheel?

    I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. 27 = 3 at the front *
    9 at the rear.

    --

    "The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
    involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
    Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia

  16. Apologies) (Tom said:
    DRS said:


    Right now I don't know enough to know exactly what I'd want or how much
    it would cost, I just know I'm tired of running out of top-end gears. I
    spend most of my riding life in gears 25/26 and I still get passed by
    mountain bikes!


    Hello DRS,
    Forgive my lack of knowlege but does the Hybrid have three or two rings
    on the cranks. I would imagine that with a 27 speed bike your highest
    gear would be fairly good say 11 to 30 tooth on the wheel and say 22,
    32, 42 or 44 on the cranks.
    Is 25 say big ring and 7th on the wheel?
    May all your cycling adventures be with a tailwind,
    Neil.

    Hi Neil:

    My hybrid has 28/38/48 up front (Nexave 400; from top of my head). I
    the back, used to be 11-34 (Nexave 400), but later replaced with a ne
    11-32 (Deore). With the wheel size (running 700X28), it can go prett
    fast, but I run out of puff pretty quickly on the top gear. That'
    mostly due to the factors that set a hybrid apart from a roadie. In
    particular flat street on my route, I have reached a max of low 50's
    but as I said I cannot maintain a high cruise speed

    Now that I commute with a roadie, on the same road, I have reached hig
    60's , but cruise at mid-high 40's every day. This is on a bike with 5
    (plus 39) up front and 13 at the back (11-23)

    -

  17. top end speed on a hybrid isnt really that viable. the riding positio
    is too upright to get good leverage (or whatever the right term is...
    onto the front of your legs (quads). mtbs/roadbikes are more 'forward
    and allow you to use your glutes (butt) and back more. Gearing is onl
    going to help you so much. the probable lack of clipless pedals als
    really limits you as you are only using half/60% of the pedal strok

    But then again they were meant for casual riding..

    -

  18. amirm <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<UBvYb.107151>

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Neil:

    My hybrid has 28/38/48 up front (Nexave 400; from top of my head). In
    the back, used to be 11-34 (Nexave 400), but later replaced with a new
    11-32 (Deore). With the wheel size (running 700X28), it can go pretty
    fast, but I run out of puff pretty quickly on the top gear. That's
    mostly due to the factors that set a hybrid apart from a roadie. In a
    particular flat street on my route, I have reached a max of low 50's,
    but as I said I cannot maintain a high cruise speed.

    Now that I commute with a roadie, on the same road, I have reached high
    60's , but cruise at mid-high 40's every day. This is on a bike with 52
    (plus 39) up front and 13 at the back (11-23).

    a little poetic license has been used here. No-one cruises in the
    mid-high 40's as the ITT average speeds in UCI races are usually in
    the region of 47-52kmh. I dare say that cruising in the 40s is helped
    by a tailwind or down hill. I know that my commute is helped in both
    directions by tailwinds: land breeze in the morning, sea breeze in the
    evening.

    I have to agree though, that using the roadie for commuting is much
    faster than the old hybrid. The biggest advantage being lower wind
    resistance from a more prone riding position...

    Ritch

  19. "Ritch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    a little poetic license has been used here. No-one cruises in the
    mid-high 40's as the ITT average speeds in UCI races are usually in
    the region of 47-52kmh. I dare say that cruising in the 40s is helped
    by a tailwind or down hill. I know that my commute is helped in both
    directions by tailwinds: land breeze in the morning, sea breeze in the
    evening.

    Maybe the poster means high-40's "on that section" of road?
    If he's cruising around at high 40's on normal streets and his
    speedo is calibrated correctly he should be contacting the
    AIS and asking when the Olympic squads are being picked!

    Quoted message said:

    I have to agree though, that using the roadie for commuting is much
    faster than the old hybrid. The biggest advantage being lower wind
    resistance from a more prone riding position...

    The road bike is faster, no doubt, but a lot of people under-
    estimate their top speeds on hybrids and mtb's. Most of
    the people that I have a little "race" against on my commute
    never get into a really aero position, so with my weight, I
    can usually roll past them on downhills. This helps a lot trying
    to race roadies on my singlespeed!
    The other thing is that most people don't spin fast enough
    to make best use of their smaller gearing. I see folks all the
    time grinding away in big gears, getting passed by spinners
    on bikes that should be much slower (due to rider position, etc).

    I will just point out here that I have been comprehensively
    _flogged_ by juniors with restricted gearing! I'm on the
    52T big ring and they spin past on something that looks
    like an mtb middle ring (32T)!
    In the words of the great man himself, Ali G, RESPECT!

    hippy :-)

  20. Ritch said:

    amirm <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<UBvYb.107151>

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Neil:

    My hybrid has 28/38/48 up front (Nexave 400; from top of my head). In
    the back, used to be 11-34 (Nexave 400), but later replaced with a new
    11-32 (Deore). With the wheel size (running 700X28), it can go pretty
    fast, but I run out of puff pretty quickly on the top gear. That's
    mostly due to the factors that set a hybrid apart from a roadie. In a
    particular flat street on my route, I have reached a max of low 50's,
    but as I said I cannot maintain a high cruise speed.

    Now that I commute with a roadie, on the same road, I have reached
    high 60's , but cruise at mid- high 40's every day. This is on a bike
    with 52 (plus 39) up front and 13 at the back (11-23).


    a little poetic license has been used here. No-one cruises in the mid-
    high 40's as the ITT average speeds in UCI races are usually in the
    region of 47-52kmh. I dare say that cruising in the 40s is helped by
    a tailwind or down hill. I know that my commute is helped in both
    directions by tailwinds: land breeze in the morning, sea breeze in
    the evening.
    I have to agree though, that using the roadie for commuting is much
    faster than the old hybrid. The biggest advantage being lower wind
    resistance from a more prone riding position...
    Ritch

    Neil:

    Sorry to disappoint you, but you seem to have got two things prett
    confused. I said "on a particular road on my commute route". Having sai
    that, you seem not to comprehend what it exactly meant. And, I quoted m
    "cruising speed on a partcular flat road" which is no way comparable t
    "average speed" during a race. Did I quote my average speed

    By the way, it's pretty narrow-minded to assume that I must ride slowe
    than racers. Your logic is badly flawed my friend. No offence

    Amir

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