Case is point!

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The first best course is to have a chain gang of hulking triathletes
appear over the brow of the hill at just the right moment but sadly
that doesn't often happen.

The second best course is to have a trained powerlifter witness the incident
who then comes over and flips the offenders car, drivers side down, with him
still in it.

Or alternatively, whip the keys out of his ignition and throw them as far as
you can into the most inaccessible place possible, then sprint away.

Update
Plod came around last night to finish taking my statement. It will be
treated as an asult. He has mentioned that he has seen the car around
in a town not far from where it all happened. Its a small town and I
live right by it so I'm going to keep my eyes open and report back if
I see the car. At least it is on the police database now and even
though I know her can't really get 'done' as there were not witnesses,
at least he'll get the message that you shouldn't assume kicking a
cyclist is okay. I'm sure they will also dig up loads of other stuff
from him when they stop him anyway. Sure he isn't the type to have
MOT, insurance etc...

Dan Gregory said:

Pete Biggs said:

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On a serious note, should I start carrying some sort of alarm or
pepper spray do you think?

Alarm maybe, but don't carry a weapon. It could easily be grabbed off you
and used against you. This often actually happens, apparently.

Is your bike a weapon see :-

The kicker? The assailant was a police officer(!)

Links to the story and unedited footage here:
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/08/high_school_students.html

Adam Lea said:

Or alternatively, whip the keys out of his ignition and throw them as far as
you can into the most inaccessible place possible, then sprint away.

If I managed to get the keys I'd drop them off at a convenient police
station and let him collect them from there. It proves I have no
intention "permanently to deprive".

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Dave...

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Update
Plod came around last night to finish taking my statement. It will be
treated as an asult. He has mentioned that he has seen the car around
in a town not far from where it all happened. Its a small town and I
live right by it so I'm going to keep my eyes open and report back if
I see the car. At least it is on the police database now and even
though I know her can't really get 'done' as there were not witnesses,
at least he'll get the message that you shouldn't assume kicking a
cyclist is okay. I'm sure they will also dig up loads of other stuff
from him when they stop him anyway. Sure he isn't the type to have
MOT, insurance etc...

You said he was on false plates so there's enough to get started on
right there.

--
Dave...

Quoted message said:

Update
Plod came around last night to finish taking my statement. It will be
treated as an asult. He has mentioned that he has seen the car around
in a town not far from where it all happened. Its a small town and I
live right by it so I'm going to keep my eyes open and report back if
I see the car. At least it is on the police database now and even
though I know her can't really get 'done' as there were not witnesses,
at least he'll get the message that you shouldn't assume kicking a
cyclist is okay. I'm sure they will also dig up loads of other stuff
from him when they stop him anyway. Sure he isn't the type to have
MOT, insurance etc...

You were a witness. There doesn't necessarily have to be any independent
witnesses for a prosecution.

You can sue him as well for compensation for the emotional distress as well
as any physical injury and financial expenses. Less proof is needed for
this than a criminal prosecution.

~PB

dkahn400 twisted the electrons to say:

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Adam Lea said:

Or alternatively, whip the keys out of his ignition and throw them as
far as you can into the most inaccessible place possible, then sprint
away.

If I managed to get the keys I'd drop them off at a convenient police
station and let him collect them from there. It proves I have no
intention "permanently to deprive".

<grins> That's good, I'll have to remember that ...
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Thanks for your nice replies.

Have a <<HUG>> :-)

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I was desperate to see another cyclist
on my way home and have a rant!

So much better to get angry than to get scared.

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We may disagree on a lot of issues,
but I have never failed to find sympathy and support from the cycling
community when it is really needed!

Most of us have at some time felt severely threatened by other road
users in one way or another.

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My partner was very supportive,
but didn't really get the cycling on the road thing.

Neither does mine, but she's getting used to my little outbursts and I
don't think she still wishes I'd just shut up and slink away.

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I shall also bow slightly to the H debaters and admit that in this
case, my H did not stop me from being kicked by an irrate driver! I
will also admit that as my H is very distinctive and I cycle a lot in
the area where a driver is looking out for me, my H may also lead to
my downfall! Might go and buy a new one...and a new top, new bike, new
shorts, new face if possible!

I doubt he'd be looking for you - he sounds more like an idiot than a
psychopath, and he probably has a whole lot more going on in his life if
he generally takes that sort of attitude to people.

Quoted message said:

On a serious note, should I start carrying some sort of alarm or
pepper spray do you think?

I bet on of those little aerosols of WD40 would sting if it was squirted
in someone's eyes, and if that fails you could use it as a flame
thrower. :-)

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In article <[email hidden]>,
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Quoted message said:

Thanks for your nice replies.

Have a <<HUG>> :-)

Quoted message said:

I was desperate to see another cyclist
on my way home and have a rant!

So much better to get angry than to get scared.

Quoted message said:

We may disagree on a lot of issues,
but I have never failed to find sympathy and support from the cycling
community when it is really needed!

Most of us have at some time felt severely threatened by other road
users in one way or another.

Quoted message said:

My partner was very supportive,
but didn't really get the cycling on the road thing.

Neither does mine, but she's getting used to my little outbursts and I
don't think she still wishes I'd just shut up and slink away.

Quoted message said:

I shall also bow slightly to the H debaters and admit that in this
case, my H did not stop me from being kicked by an irrate driver! I
will also admit that as my H is very distinctive and I cycle a lot in
the area where a driver is looking out for me, my H may also lead to
my downfall! Might go and buy a new one...and a new top, new bike, new
shorts, new face if possible!

I doubt he'd be looking for you - he sounds more like an idiot than a
psychopath, and he probably has a whole lot more going on in his life if
he generally takes that sort of attitude to people.

Quoted message said:

On a serious note, should I start carrying some sort of alarm or
pepper spray do you think?

I bet on of those little aerosols of WD40 would sting if it was squirted
in someone's eyes, and if that fails you could use it as a flame
thrower. :-)

It doesn't throw very far[1] and if the wind is the wrong way as
it usually is when cycling then you'll just get your self.

[1] I tried it once just out of curiosity.
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Cheers
the.Mark

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I bet on of those little aerosols of WD40 would sting if it was squirted
in someone's eyes, and if that fails you could use it as a flame
thrower. :-)

I have been looking for one of these for some time. They do have a
variety of uses, as you pointed out.Have they stopped making them?
where can I get one?

Do not try the flame thrower thing.You are more likely, after faffing
about getting ready while the attacker looks on quizzically, to set
yourself on fire with the spills and the cloud of solvent around
mainly your arm and face.

I think the more effective technique is firstly to run away screaming
and keep running until you find help.You can always buy another
bike.Probably he will just scarper at this point knowing that he is
about to get into big trouble .If you really need to put him off you
keep your weapon concealed in your pocket or hands while preparing it
for use, but making it obvious that you have something, look straight
at him , point at his chest with your free hand and shout loudly but
without panic ' 'stand still, do not move, keep your hands where I can
see them....etc'' This may give you the few seconds you need to make
your break .Get a mouthful of saliva ready and if the attack comes
then let him have that right in the face as you get your spray up to
his eyes and mouth and be generous with that before breaking away and
running.Ideally he should inhale some. At this point you should not
worry about his health.Next you should remember that he will recover
and be somewhat displeased.If you are alone in the
countryside ......Can you disable him?
I hope to goodness you never need to think like this again , but it is
good to have a plan.I have had to do this , but not in uk.

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Quoted message said:

Thanks for your nice replies.

Have a <<HUG>> :-)

Quoted message said:

I was desperate to see another cyclist
on my way home and have a rant!

So much better to get angry than to get scared.

Quoted message said:

We may disagree on a lot of issues,
but I have never failed to find sympathy and support from the cycling
community when it is really needed!

Most of us have at some time felt severely threatened by other road
users in one way or another.

Quoted message said:

My partner was very supportive,
but didn't really get the cycling on the road thing.

Neither does mine, but she's getting used to my little outbursts and I
don't think she still wishes I'd just shut up and slink away.

Quoted message said:

I shall also bow slightly to the H debaters and admit that in this
case, my H did not stop me from being kicked by an irrate driver! I
will also admit that as my H is very distinctive and I cycle a lot in
the area where a driver is looking out for me, my H may also lead to
my downfall! Might go and buy a new one...and a new top, new bike, new
shorts, new face if possible!

I doubt he'd be looking for you - he sounds more like an idiot than a
psychopath, and he probably has a whole lot more going on in his life if
he generally takes that sort of attitude to people.

Quoted message said:

On a serious note, should I start carrying some sort of alarm or
pepper spray do you think?

I bet on of those little aerosols of WD40 would sting if it was squirted
in someone's eyes, and if that fails you could use it as a flame
thrower. :-)

It doesn't throw very far[1] and if the wind is the wrong way as
it usually is when cycling then you'll just get your self.

[1] I tried it once just out of curiosity.

I knew I'd seen it somewhere. This is what is required:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/make-your-own-flamethrower-
with-wd40-and-a-supersoaker-194741.php
or
http://tinyurl.com/pl9vd
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Cheers
the.Mark

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Went out for a train yesturday afternoon. Came across a very small
section of cycle track, which I never use becuase it is on a downhill
and I feel riding at 30mph on a very rough cycle track. Bloke in a red
car skimmed past and shouted 'get on the f~~~g cycle track'. He was
waiting for me at the next junction and kicked me so hard I almost
feel off the said if he saw me again he would run me over!

Did try to say about the current debate, but he didn't seem
interested. Phoned police right away and they have been very good,
although the bloke was on false plates! Doh! What makes this worse is
that I am only 5ft and really look like a little girl in my kit.
Obvously no blooming morals at all!

owch

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All sympathy accepted!

roger

Paul Boyd usenet.dont.work@plusnet said:

POHB said the following on 10/05/2007 10:34:

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Ken has just launched another one for London cycling. There's
supposed to be some telly ads. Has anyone seen any yet?

I guess I won't see them, not living in London :-)

Ken does have some barmy ideas, but he also seems to get done what he
wants to get done. We could do with a lot more politicians with that
attribute, but receptive to sensible ideas! I've read that the number
of cyclists in London is increasing rapidly, so perhaps some of his
ideas are working. Don't take me to task for that though because I only
have a passing outsider's view :-)

for me so far the congestion zone is good the chances of me by choice
driving into central london are rather low. the few times i have are
well out of the charge times.

only recently moved so wether or not there are more cycling in london is
mute, and as i lived on the edge of the beacons for almost the rest of
my life where cycling would be hobby and very few commutors what with
the low traffic, hills etc.

roger