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  1. Has anyone got any opinions (silly question on usenet, I guess) on the
    Halfords Carrera 8?

    My place of work is relocating, and the new commute is not going to
    suit the Trice - I will have about five miles of gently undulating
    (one moderate hill) fairly busy road, three miles of which is a
    near-stationary traffic queue at the time I wish to negotiate it. An
    upright will fit down the middle, but I don't like doing that on the
    Trice.

    Since it will be a purely utility vehicle, with no need for extreme
    gearing, hub gears and brakes seem sensible. I started out by
    assuming that I'd stick a hub gear on my rarely-ridden
    needs-significant-tlc galaxy (it has a front hub brake already).
    However, the current Carrera 8 pricing means I can get a whole bike
    for less than the parts I'd need to resurrect the Dawes.

    Any comments? I expect I'll want to stick a hub dynamo on the front
    in due course, but other than that, what's wrong with the plan?

    regards, Ian SMith
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  2. in message <[email hidden]>, Ian Smith

    (') said:

    Has anyone got any opinions (silly question on usenet, I guess) on the
    Halfords Carrera 8?

    My place of work is relocating, and the new commute is not going to
    suit the Trice - I will have about five miles of gently undulating
    (one moderate hill) fairly busy road, three miles of which is a
    near-stationary traffic queue at the time I wish to negotiate it. An
    upright will fit down the middle, but I don't like doing that on the
    Trice.

    Since it will be a purely utility vehicle, with no need for extreme
    gearing, hub gears and brakes seem sensible. I started out by
    assuming that I'd stick a hub gear on my rarely-ridden
    needs-significant-tlc galaxy (it has a front hub brake already).
    However, the current Carrera 8 pricing means I can get a whole bike
    for less than the parts I'd need to resurrect the Dawes.

    Any comments? I expect I'll want to stick a hub dynamo on the front
    in due course, but other than that, what's wrong with the plan?

    Not Responding has one, and reports very favourably on it. Don Whybrow has
    a similarly equipped Ridgeback, and is I believe happy with it. Low
    maintenance bikes seem to me ideal for relatively short commutes.

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  3. Ian Smith said:

    Has anyone got any opinions (silly question on usenet, I guess) on the
    Halfords Carrera 8?


    I have one, and as you say it is a lot of bike for the money.
    I'd be surprised if you could buy all those bits (retail) for what they
    sell the bike for.
    I don't ride the bike all that much, I use my road bike mostly.
    But nothing wrong with the Halfords - just get on and go.
    A dynamo lighting setup on these bikes would be a good idea, just
    superglue the lights in place and you would have a commuter machine where
    you wouldn't have to faff with taking battery lights off when locking up.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Any comments? I expect I'll want to stick a hub dynamo on the front
    in due course, but other than that, what's wrong with the plan?

    More nickable than the galaxy, and harder to burn off other commuters. Um,
    that's it. I'm assuming it has mounting points for a rack?

  5. Mark Thompson said:
    Quoted message said:

    Any comments? I expect I'll want to stick a hub dynamo on the front in
    due course, but other than that, what's wrong with the plan?

    More nickable than the galaxy, and harder to burn off other commuters.
    Um, that's it. I'm assuming it has mounting points for a rack?


    Yes, rack and mudguard mounting points.
    If you Google, I gather you have to put a longer bolt on the front
    mudguards to prevent fouling the front hub brake, or connect it to the
    brake mounting boss. But no big deal.

    This year's model comes with mudguards, so an even better buy.

  6. Mark Thompson said:
    Quoted message said:

    Any comments? I expect I'll want to stick a hub dynamo on the front
    in due course, but other than that, what's wrong with the plan?

    More nickable than the galaxy, and harder to burn off other
    commuters. Um, that's it. I'm assuming it has mounting points for a
    rack?

    Surely less nickable.

    I have a Scott which is similar, and I think it's great. I use it for
    (moderate) distance cycling as well, and I'm fine with it. Not that it's
    that much fun on the hills, but...

    A

  7. Ian Smith said:

    Has anyone got any opinions (silly question on usenet, I guess) on the
    Halfords Carrera 8?

    Woohoo! I now have a Halfords Carrera 8 in the garage. Thanks to
    those who responded.

    Sadly, weather being what it is (that and the fact that the coolant
    all fell out of my car and I've spent most of the day fixing flushing
    and refilling), I haven't ridden it much yet (couple of miles).

    Good: the hub gear appears really jolly good, gears were adjusted
    right out of the box, appears to be just what was expected. The bell
    has quite a nice bright tone.

    Bad: urgh to the saddle, 'suspension' seatpost is hopeless, grips not
    great.

    Neutral: The handlebars too wide, but can obviously be cut down.
    Also, some comments on the web about mudguard eyes fouled by brake
    mechanism. It now comes with mudguards, and they fit without fouling.
    Sizing is a bit odd - I'm not tiny (5' 6"😉 but the saddle is within
    about 1" of lowest on the smallest frame size - there must be lots of
    adults too small to ride one.

    Halfords comments: neutral. I wanted it in a box, and I trust my bike
    building and maintenance skills more than I do Halfords, but I feel
    for the safety of the man on the street Halfords shouldn't be so ready
    to sell a bike in a box (especially one with unusual componentry and
    no included instructions whatsoever). I feel there may be a lot of
    Subway 8s out there without the safety spring-clips on the retaining
    bolts, and with brake cable fixing thingies on the wrong way round.
    They should have tried to dissuade me, or at least checked I appear
    competent to assemble a bike.

    Still needs rack and lighting sorting before I start commuting on it.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  8. Ian Smith said:

    Woohoo! I now have a Halfords Carrera 8 in the garage.

    It's no bloody use in there, man! Into the kitchen with it and
    JPEGs toot sweet!

    Pete.
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  9. In article <[email hidden]>
    Ian Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Woohoo! I now have a Halfords Carrera 8 in the garage. Thanks to
    those who responded.


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Bad: urgh to the saddle,

    Too lumpy, too squidgy?

    Quoted message said:

    'suspension' seatpost is hopeless,

    Doesn't move, moves too much, wobble, boing?

    Quoted message said:

    grips not great.


    Add gloves. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Neutral: The handlebars too wide, but can obviously be cut down.
    Also, some comments on the web about mudguard eyes fouled by brake
    mechanism. It now comes with mudguards, and they fit without fouling.
    Sizing is a bit odd - I'm not tiny (5' 6"😉 but the saddle is within
    about 1" of lowest on the smallest frame size - there must be lots of
    adults too small to ride one.

    Easily overcome by swapping the suspension seatpost for a rigid one, or
    maybe fitting a Thudbuster ST.

    Quoted message said:


    Halfords comments: neutral. I wanted it in a box, and I trust my bike
    building and maintenance skills more than I do Halfords, but I feel
    for the safety of the man on the street Halfords shouldn't be so ready
    to sell a bike in a box (especially one with unusual componentry and
    no included instructions whatsoever). I feel there may be a lot of
    Subway 8s out there without the safety spring-clips on the retaining
    bolts, and with brake cable fixing thingies on the wrong way round.
    They should have tried to dissuade me, or at least checked I appear
    competent to assemble a bike.


    From what I've seen of /some/ Halfords branches they wouldn't know how
    to properly assemble and check a bike anyway, so how could they judge
    someone else's ability? I think it's illegal to sell a bike without
    including setup and safety instructions in some form.

  10. Peter Clinch said:
    Ian Smith said:

    Woohoo! I now have a Halfords Carrera 8 in the garage.

    It's no bloody use in there, man! Into the kitchen with it and
    JPEGs toot sweet!

    Unfortunately, my kitchen is small, and it was, in any case, full of
    drying washing. Management did not permit the assembly of bicycle in
    the kitchen.

    So I had to do it in the lounge...

    http://www.astounding.org.uk/ian/temp/newbike.html

    regards, Ian SMith
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  11. Rob Morley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>

    Ian Smith said:

    Bad: urgh to the saddle,

    Too lumpy, too squidgy?

    To wide on the nose, and it feels like it's got corners rubbing right
    at the top of my inner thighs. Meanwhile the back is squidgy and
    wide. I have a brooks B17 narrow not currently seeing much action,
    that will be moving onto this bike shortly.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    'suspension' seatpost is hopeless,

    Doesn't move, moves too much, wobble, boing?

    Solid as a rock. If I take it out of the frame and lunge at the
    ground getting all my weight behind it I can just about get some
    movement. On the bike it may as well be solid.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    grips not great.


    Add gloves. :-)

    Actually, probably add foam grips when I cut the bars down.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  12. Quoted message said:

    http://www.astounding.org.uk/ian/temp/newbike.html

    That looks like a really good bike.

    What are the hub brakes like?

    TerryJ

  13. Ian Smith said:

    Unfortunately, my kitchen is small, and it was, in any case, full of
    drying washing. Management did not permit the assembly of bicycle in
    the kitchen.

    So I had to do it in the lounge...

    That's more like it... I take it the bear belongs to the Rather
    Cute Person rather than having come with the bike? ;-)

    Pete.
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    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  14. Peter Clinch said:


    That's more like it... I take it the bear belongs to the Rather
    Cute Person rather than having come with the bike? ;-)

    Indeed. That's 'hypno-bear' - the photo does not do him justice, if
    you look straight into his face he has a oddly disconcerting stare.

    The RCP thinks that any time the camera comes out it will naturally be
    to take photos of her, and so she obliging tracks round in front of
    the lense, wherever it may be pointing - that's as far off centre of
    the shot as she could be coaxed.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  15. Ian Smith said:
    Peter Clinch said:

    Ian Smith wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Woohoo! I now have a Halfords Carrera 8 in the garage.

    Quoted message said:

    It's no bloody use in there, man! Into the kitchen with it and
    JPEGs toot sweet!Unfortunately, my kitchen is small, and it was, in any case, full of


    drying washing. Management did not permit the assembly of bicycle in
    the kitchen.

    So I had to do it in the lounge...

    http://www.astounding.org.uk/ian/temp/newbike.html

    I missed the original thread so was unable to add my Subway 8
    experiences before you bought it. Worry not, though; you have a good
    bike there. Nice to see they've sorted the mudguard mounting - I had to
    do a real bodge and use the front rack mounts.

    Mine is semi-retired to pub duties; I rode my Tifosi CK7 to work while
    the S8 was being serviced and I've sort of forgotten to return the
    Tifosi to Sunday-best routine. This should not be taken as a slur on
    the S8; they are totally different machines.

    The S8 is utterly, utterly maintenance free and is an ideal commuter. I
    do almost 20 miles a day in all weathers and have never done anything
    more than oil the chain and let the LBS check it over once a year.
    Contrast this with the CK7 which requires a regular fettle merely to
    keep all 30 gears operational - of which I probably need 6.

    The S8 is also a real load carrier (in the utility rather than
    trans-continental touring sense); total stability even when loaded with
    massive panniers and a week's shopping.

    Mine may not be ridden right now as much as it deserves but it's still
    a super bike and typing this up has inspired me get it back on the
    commute run.

  16. Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    http://www.astounding.org.uk/ian/temp/newbike.html

    That looks like a really good bike.

    I'm happy.

    Quoted message said:

    What are the hub brakes like?

    I probably need to caveat my comments - cables are brand new, brakes
    are brand new, not finely tweaked, nothing is bedded in yet, I've only
    done 4 or so miles on it so far (round the block, then out up one
    decent hill, down the side and round the bottom home), all of those
    were in the rain, and I've probably only ridden 20 miles on an upright
    in the last three years.

    My immediately preceeding vehicle for comparison is a low recumbent
    trike, with two mighty front disks you can put maximum welly on and
    have no fear of going over the front or sliding out sideways.

    My first observation was that they sounded like they are shredding
    aluminium in there - braking moderate-to-hard, it sounded like gritty
    blocks on an alloy rim, shaving off metal. I think I was less aware
    of that towards the end of my ride - my guess is something bedding in,
    but maybe I was just listening less critically? At first I thought
    the brakes were a bit spongy - with the set up to start to rub with
    very little lever movement, you can pull the lever quite a long way,
    and it feels like weak or long and tortuous cable stretching.
    However, when out and about, I could lock the back wheel while still
    having more pull available. I thought that the front was not very
    powerful, but actually when I tried a brake test (nearly home,
    deserted cycle path, brake as hard as I dared as I passed a mark) I
    came to a stop in a surprisingly short distance. Bearing in mind I
    was nervous of unfamiliar bike, unfamiliar tyres, wet tarmac, and my
    body was still screaming that I was perilously high up and going over
    the handlebars any moment, there's probably more reserves available
    there too. Overall, I'd say that the brakes feel that they are going
    to be weak - they feel soft, and the lever resistance starts small and
    builds up progressively (cf cantis where you have no resistance, then
    the blocks hit the rim and you get lots of resistance more-or-less
    immediately) - but in practice they somehow seem to stop me as rapidly
    as I'd expect from any other brakes on an upright.

    Braking steadily to a stop at the foot of a decent hill using just the
    front brake (on the recumbent with luggage I'd expect the disks to be
    too hot to grip with bare hands at this point), the cooling fin on the
    disk was just warm.

    My previous commuter (before the recumbent) ended up with a front
    Sturmey Archer hub brake (internally, it's basically a classically
    arranged car drum brake). These brakes are much better than that (I
    never liked that very much - it binds occasionally, it has no feel, it
    wasn't quite right).

    However, I really need to get some luggage on it, commute on it, let
    the cables stretch and get the adjustment tweaked before commenting
    properly.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  17. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.astounding.org.uk/ian/temp/newbike.html

    That looks like a really good bike.

    What are the hub brakes like?


    Cosmetically enhanced to reduce fade, at the cost of drastically increasing
    theftworthiness. Or at least that was my appraisal of the situation when I
    was looking for hub brakes for my bike.

    A

  18. In article <[email hidden]>

    Ian Smith said:
    Peter Clinch said:
    Ian Smith said:

    Woohoo! I now have a Halfords Carrera 8 in the garage.

    It's no bloody use in there, man! Into the kitchen with it and
    JPEGs toot sweet!

    Unfortunately, my kitchen is small, and it was, in any case, full of
    drying washing. Management did not permit the assembly of bicycle in
    the kitchen.

    So I had to do it in the lounge...

    http://www.astounding.org.uk/ian/temp/newbike.html


    I see junior management is taking a keen interest in the project -
    careful they don't try to take all the credit.

  19. In article <[email hidden]>

    Ian Smith said:
    Rob Morley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>
    Ian Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    'suspension' seatpost is hopeless,

    Doesn't move, moves too much, wobble, boing?

    Solid as a rock. If I take it out of the frame and lunge at the
    ground getting all my weight behind it I can just about get some
    movement. On the bike it may as well be solid.


    It isn't supposed to do more than take the sting out of big bumps - you
    wouldn't want it floating up and down as you pedal. It will probably
    free up a bit with use, but you could try giving it a dose of
    WD40/GT85/your preferred magic aerosol after loosening the collar.

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