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  1. http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/health/article.jsp?content=20050422_101349_4828

    Carbs encourage over-eating

    Diabetes patients on low-carbohydrate diet eat less and lose weight

    Which would you eat after a three-course meal -- a slice of apple pie
    or a pork chop? Probably the apple pie, according to the author of a
    recent study claiming carbohydrate-rich foods induce people to push the
    boundaries of their optimal eating habits.
    "Most people, by the time they get to dessert, don't need anything.
    They are satisfied," says Dr. Guenther Boden of Temple University in
    Philadelphia. "But then comes dessert and you eat another 500 to 600
    calories."

    Boden and his colleagues investigated the eating habits of 10 obese
    people with diabetes. When participants went on a two-week
    ultra-low-carbohydrate diet, they spontaneously ate less.

    "Taking away the carbohydrates eliminated their excess appetite," Boden
    says. "Or, if you want to turn it around, you could say it's the
    carbohydrates that induce you -- and seduce you -- to eat more than you
    really need."

    During a one-week period when participants were allowed to eat whatever
    they wanted, the group consumed an average of 300 grams of
    carbohydrates and 3,100 calories each day. In the following two-week
    period -- when daily carbohydrate intake was reduced to 21 grams (about
    two-thirds of a cup of cooked pasta) -- the same patients consumed an
    average of 2,100 calories each day.

    "It turned out that for their height, 2,100 calories was exactly what
    they were supposed to eat," Boden says. "You cut out the carbohydrates
    and your body reverts back to the fuel intake it really needs."
    Patients were allowed to eat as much as they wanted from any other food
    group, but they didn't appear to compensate for the carb loss by
    substituting fats or protein.

    Study patients lost an average of 1.65 kilograms over the course of the
    low-carb portion of the study, which could be completely accounted for
    by the reduction in calorie intake.

    The case for cutting carbs is bolstered by an absence of evidence that
    the drastic diet has negative side-effects, Boden says. Despite
    concerns that a diet high in fat and protein would lead to increased
    risks of heart disease and stroke, long-term data on the subject hasn't
    materialized. "So far, no adverse effects have shown up."

    But that doesn't mean they won't, says Sharon Zeiler, senior manager of
    nutrition initiatives and strategies at the Canadian Diabetes
    Association. "A lot of the foods with high carbohydrates are the most
    nutrient dense. It's really a concern that (dieters) could become
    depleted of nutrients."

    With files from The Medical Post.

    --

    TC

  2. TC said:

    http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/health/article.jsp?content=20050422_101349_4828

    Carbs encourage over-eating

    Diabetes patients on low-carbohydrate diet eat less and lose weight

    Which would you eat after a three-course meal -- a slice of apple pie
    or a pork chop? Probably the apple pie, according to the author of a
    recent study claiming carbohydrate-rich foods induce people to push the
    boundaries of their optimal eating habits.
    "Most people, by the time they get to dessert, don't need anything.
    They are satisfied," says Dr. Guenther Boden of Temple University in
    Philadelphia. "But then comes dessert and you eat another 500 to 600
    calories."

    Boden and his colleagues investigated the eating habits of 10 obese
    people with diabetes. When participants went on a two-week
    ultra-low-carbohydrate diet, they spontaneously ate less.

    "Taking away the carbohydrates eliminated their excess appetite," Boden
    says. "Or, if you want to turn it around, you could say it's the
    carbohydrates that induce you -- and seduce you -- to eat more than you
    really need."

    During a one-week period when participants were allowed to eat whatever
    they wanted, the group consumed an average of 300 grams of
    carbohydrates and 3,100 calories each day. In the following two-week
    period -- when daily carbohydrate intake was reduced to 21 grams (about
    two-thirds of a cup of cooked pasta) -- the same patients consumed an
    average of 2,100 calories each day.

    "It turned out that for their height, 2,100 calories was exactly what
    they were supposed to eat," Boden says. "You cut out the carbohydrates
    and your body reverts back to the fuel intake it really needs."
    Patients were allowed to eat as much as they wanted from any other food
    group, but they didn't appear to compensate for the carb loss by
    substituting fats or protein.

    Study patients lost an average of 1.65 kilograms over the course of the
    low-carb portion of the study, which could be completely accounted for
    by the reduction in calorie intake.

    The case for cutting carbs is bolstered by an absence of evidence that
    the drastic diet has negative side-effects, Boden says. Despite
    concerns that a diet high in fat and protein would lead to increased
    risks of heart disease and stroke, long-term data on the subject hasn't
    materialized. "So far, no adverse effects have shown up."

    But that doesn't mean they won't, says Sharon Zeiler, senior manager of
    nutrition initiatives and strategies at the Canadian Diabetes
    Association. "A lot of the foods with high carbohydrates are the most
    nutrient dense. It's really a concern that (dieters) could become
    depleted of nutrients."

    With files from The Medical Post.

    Gee if you consume 2,100 calories instead of 3,100 calories you lose
    weight. Even better if you do it on a high carb low arterie clogging
    fat diet.

  3. this "study" was done on
    *10*
    *obese*
    people *with diabetes*.

    .... I hope you won't call this representative.

    "TC" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/health/article.jsp?content=20050422_101349_4828

    Carbs encourage over-eating

    Diabetes patients on low-carbohydrate diet eat less and lose weight

    Which would you eat after a three-course meal -- a slice of apple pie
    or a pork chop? Probably the apple pie, according to the author of a
    recent study claiming carbohydrate-rich foods induce people to push the
    boundaries of their optimal eating habits.
    "Most people, by the time they get to dessert, don't need anything.
    They are satisfied," says Dr. Guenther Boden of Temple University in
    Philadelphia. "But then comes dessert and you eat another 500 to 600
    calories."

    Boden and his colleagues investigated the eating habits of 10 obese
    people with diabetes. When participants went on a two-week
    ultra-low-carbohydrate diet, they spontaneously ate less.

    "Taking away the carbohydrates eliminated their excess appetite," Boden
    says. "Or, if you want to turn it around, you could say it's the
    carbohydrates that induce you -- and seduce you -- to eat more than you
    really need."

    During a one-week period when participants were allowed to eat whatever
    they wanted, the group consumed an average of 300 grams of
    carbohydrates and 3,100 calories each day. In the following two-week
    period -- when daily carbohydrate intake was reduced to 21 grams (about
    two-thirds of a cup of cooked pasta) -- the same patients consumed an
    average of 2,100 calories each day.

    "It turned out that for their height, 2,100 calories was exactly what
    they were supposed to eat," Boden says. "You cut out the carbohydrates
    and your body reverts back to the fuel intake it really needs."
    Patients were allowed to eat as much as they wanted from any other food
    group, but they didn't appear to compensate for the carb loss by
    substituting fats or protein.

    Study patients lost an average of 1.65 kilograms over the course of the
    low-carb portion of the study, which could be completely accounted for
    by the reduction in calorie intake.

    The case for cutting carbs is bolstered by an absence of evidence that
    the drastic diet has negative side-effects, Boden says. Despite
    concerns that a diet high in fat and protein would lead to increased
    risks of heart disease and stroke, long-term data on the subject hasn't
    materialized. "So far, no adverse effects have shown up."

    But that doesn't mean they won't, says Sharon Zeiler, senior manager of
    nutrition initiatives and strategies at the Canadian Diabetes
    Association. "A lot of the foods with high carbohydrates are the most
    nutrient dense. It's really a concern that (dieters) could become
    depleted of nutrients."

    With files from The Medical Post.

    --

    TC

  4. Quoted message said:


    Gee if you consume 2,100 calories instead of 3,100 calories you lose
    weight. Even better if you do it on a high carb low arterie clogging
    fat diet.

    You are so observant. Yet you missed the part where the low carb
    approach basically made the lower calorie intake possible.... and easy.

    And BTW, clogged arteries are not caused dietary fat. The artery walls
    become thinned out and develop a spongy texture due to a lack of
    collagen and collagen precursors in the diet. The body responds by
    trying to patch the damaged with plaque which has a fatty texture to
    it.

    TC

  5. Assuming, for the moment, that you are right, which foods have collagen or
    are collagen precursors?

    "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    Gee if you consume 2,100 calories instead of 3,100 calories you lose
    weight. Even better if you do it on a high carb low arterie clogging
    fat diet.

    You are so observant. Yet you missed the part where the low carb
    approach basically made the lower calorie intake possible.... and easy.

    And BTW, clogged arteries are not caused dietary fat. The artery walls
    become thinned out and develop a spongy texture due to a lack of
    collagen and collagen precursors in the diet. The body responds by
    trying to patch the damaged with plaque which has a fatty texture to
    it.

    TC

  6. Collagenic foods - Soups made from fresh healthy bones or fresh healthy
    chicken. Chickens feet soup. Oxtail soup. Beef soup.

    Precursor - Vitamin C.

    TC

    Cubit said:

    Assuming, for the moment, that you are right, which foods have


    collagen or

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    are collagen precursors?

    "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    Gee if you consume 2,100 calories instead of 3,100 calories you


    lose

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    weight. Even better if you do it on a high carb low arterie


    clogging

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    fat diet.

    You are so observant. Yet you missed the part where the low carb
    approach basically made the lower calorie intake possible.... and


    easy.

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    And BTW, clogged arteries are not caused dietary fat. The artery


    walls

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    become thinned out and develop a spongy texture due to a lack of
    collagen and collagen precursors in the diet. The body responds by
    trying to patch the damaged with plaque which has a fatty texture


    to

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    it.

    TC

  7. mark .... said:

    Gee if you consume 2,100 calories instead of 3,100 calories you lose
    weight. Even better if you do it on a high carb low arterie clogging
    fat diet.

    Only if energy expenditure is above 2100 kcalories a day :-) If you
    have an RMR of let's say 900 kcal (small body, eg. child or dwarf) and
    eat 2100 calories, you will increase in weight.
    If your RMR on the other side is around 3200 kcal, then either RMR
    will be hormonically depressed or you will slim down.

  8. It's not representative, it's indicative.

    TC

    MMu said:

    this "study" was done on
    *10*
    *obese*
    people *with diabetes*.

    ... I hope you won't call this representative.

    "TC" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/health/article.jsp?content=20050422_101349_4828

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    Carbs encourage over-eating

    Diabetes patients on low-carbohydrate diet eat less and lose weight

    Which would you eat after a three-course meal -- a slice of apple


    pie

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    or a pork chop? Probably the apple pie, according to the author of


    a

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    recent study claiming carbohydrate-rich foods induce people to push


    the

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    boundaries of their optimal eating habits.
    "Most people, by the time they get to dessert, don't need anything.
    They are satisfied," says Dr. Guenther Boden of Temple University


    in

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    Philadelphia. "But then comes dessert and you eat another 500 to


    600

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    calories."

    Boden and his colleagues investigated the eating habits of 10 obese
    people with diabetes. When participants went on a two-week
    ultra-low-carbohydrate diet, they spontaneously ate less.

    "Taking away the carbohydrates eliminated their excess appetite,"


    Boden

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    says. "Or, if you want to turn it around, you could say it's the
    carbohydrates that induce you -- and seduce you -- to eat more than


    you

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    really need."

    During a one-week period when participants were allowed to eat


    whatever

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    they wanted, the group consumed an average of 300 grams of
    carbohydrates and 3,100 calories each day. In the following


    two-week

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    period -- when daily carbohydrate intake was reduced to 21 grams


    (about

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    two-thirds of a cup of cooked pasta) -- the same patients consumed


    an

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    average of 2,100 calories each day.

    "It turned out that for their height, 2,100 calories was exactly


    what

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    they were supposed to eat," Boden says. "You cut out the


    carbohydrates

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    and your body reverts back to the fuel intake it really needs."
    Patients were allowed to eat as much as they wanted from any other


    food

    Quoted message said:
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    group, but they didn't appear to compensate for the carb loss by
    substituting fats or protein.

    Study patients lost an average of 1.65 kilograms over the course of


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    low-carb portion of the study, which could be completely accounted


    for

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    by the reduction in calorie intake.

    The case for cutting carbs is bolstered by an absence of evidence


    that

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    the drastic diet has negative side-effects, Boden says. Despite
    concerns that a diet high in fat and protein would lead to


    increased

    Quoted message said:
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    risks of heart disease and stroke, long-term data on the subject


    hasn't

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    materialized. "So far, no adverse effects have shown up."

    But that doesn't mean they won't, says Sharon Zeiler, senior


    manager of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    nutrition initiatives and strategies at the Canadian Diabetes
    Association. "A lot of the foods with high carbohydrates are the


    most

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    nutrient dense. It's really a concern that (dieters) could become
    depleted of nutrients."

    With files from The Medical Post.

    --

    TC

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