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"Reba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I heard that one reason carbs make you put on extra fat is that apart
from being converted to sugar they are so easy to digest.

If you combined eating carbs with high protein foods (not meat) and/or
high fibre foods, would this help to curb their tendency to cause you
to put on weight from eating carb meals like macaroni & cheese, pizza,
etc.? Do eating certain foods in combinations help?

Thank you,

Reba
(PS - please don't advise me to eat meat. I'm a vegetarian)

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Reba said:

I heard that one reason carbs make you put on extra fat is that apart
from being converted to sugar they are so easy to digest.

If you combined eating carbs with high protein foods (not meat) and/or
high fibre foods, would this help to curb their tendency to cause you
to put on weight from eating carb meals like macaroni & cheese, pizza,
etc.? Do eating certain foods in combinations help?

Thank you,

Reba
(PS - please don't advise me to eat meat. I'm a vegetarian)

Well, good luck, then.

Susan

Reba said:

I heard that one reason carbs make you put on extra fat is that apart
from being converted to sugar they are so easy to digest.

Refined carbs and starchy foods digest quickly and cause a quick blood
glucose spike which causes a quick insulin spike which triggers your
body to store fat.

Quoted message said:

If you combined eating carbs with high protein foods (not meat) and/or
high fibre foods, would this help to curb their tendency to cause you
to put on weight from eating carb meals like macaroni & cheese, pizza,
etc.? Do eating certain foods in combinations help?

Thank you,

Reba
(PS - please don't advise me to eat meat. I'm a vegetarian)

The Irish know how to get the best from potatoes. They steam them with
the skin. This keeps the nutrients from being drained into a lot of
water, as when you boil them, and the skins hold a lot of nutrients.
And once the potatoes are cooked, they are mashed with a lot of fresh
butter, cream, and/or milk. The fat in the dairy slows down the
digestion and add to the satiation factor of the meal as a whole. Less
blood glucose spike and your feel full longer.

Potatoes eaten without added fat will spike the the blood glucose more
than potatoes with fat added. Fat in a meal diminishes its overall
glyceamic index value.

I make a point of adding copious amounts of fat, whether thru milk,
cream, butter, lard, tallow, or olive oil, to all my food, (ala french
or mediterranian cuisine). It tastes great and contrary to popular
belief, it does not make you fat.

Refined and high-GI carbs eaten in the absence of dietary fat is what
makes you fat.

TC

So then why does pizza & maccaronie & cheese make you fat? They both
have cheese and I also add a little butter in my maccarroni & cheese.

And YOu're saying that a baked potatoes with sour cream and butter
actually ends up less fattening than a plain baked potatoe with nothing
on it??

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Reba said:

So then why does pizza & maccaronie & cheese make you fat? They both
have cheese and I also add a little butter in my maccarroni & cheese.

Because they're both high GI *and* high fat and calorie. They also make
you hungrier than a meal of, say, protein and veggies, due to blood
sugar rise and fall.

They're also pretty impoverished of nutrition, as long as you asked.

Quoted message said:

And YOu're saying that a baked potatoes with sour cream and butter
actually ends up less fattening than a plain baked potatoe with nothing
on it??

Yeah, he said it. My jaw dropped as far as it goes.

Susan

Reba said:

I heard that one reason carbs make you put on extra fat is that apart
from being converted to sugar they are so easy to digest.

If you combined eating carbs with high protein foods (not meat) and/or
high fibre foods, would this help to curb their tendency to cause you
to put on weight from eating carb meals like macaroni & cheese, pizza,
etc.? Do eating certain foods in combinations help?

Thank you,

Reba
(PS - please don't advise me to eat meat. I'm a vegetarian)

Reba, hi.

Please look at the principles of proper food combining as described in
the school of nutrition and healthy lifestyle known as Natural Hygiene.

Carbs and proteins should never be eaten together - certainly not
refined carbs and high-fat animal protein as in the cases of pizza and
mac and cheese.

You're storing fat in your body as a way of insulating your internal
organs from the toxins being produced by incorrect food combining.

It is all explained very clearly in Harvey and Marilyn Diamond's book
Fit for Life.

To your health,
VP

I never heard of this book but I will definately look into it. But is
it applicable also to vegetarians?

Thanks

<Smiling>

Reba,

Learn Natural Hygiene and you'll look back on these days and smile
thinking that you are a vegetarian now.

VP

"Reba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I never heard of this book but I will definately look into it. But is
it applicable also to vegetarians?

Reba: Harvey and Marilyn Diamond are probably
the two most infamous quacks ever in the nutrition
world. Please don't waste your time and risk your
health with their extremist and flawed advice.

There is plenty of good advice about how to eat
a healthy and wholesome vegetarian diet. But look
elsewhere than the Diamonds. But don't take my
work for this. You might start with

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/fitforlife.html

And don't be misled by the hundreds of sites and
posters still hawking their books and bad advice.
The internet is an awesome source of information
AND misinformation.

George W. Cherry

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George Cherry wrote:
You might start with

Quoted message said:

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/fitforlife.html

The Diamonds may be FOS, but so is quackwatch.

Folks should do their own research, and not take anyone self appointed
expert's word on usenet for anything, including who's trustworthy.

Susan

George Cherry said:

"Reba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I never heard of this book but I will definately look into it. But is
it applicable also to vegetarians?

Reba: Harvey and Marilyn Diamond are probably
the two most infamous quacks ever in the nutrition
world. Please don't waste your time and risk your
health with their extremist and flawed advice.

There is plenty of good advice about how to eat
a healthy and wholesome vegetarian diet. But look
elsewhere than the Diamonds. But don't take my
work for this. You might start with

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/fitforlife.html

And don't be misled by the hundreds of sites and
posters still hawking their books and bad advice.

The internet is an awesome source of information
AND misinformation.

Two days ago VP was telling the story that it was
combining different animal proteins that was bad.
Today its carbs and animal proteins.

You may have missed the link she gave to a lawn
care chem company which also sold potassium
hydroxide drops to alkalize your coffee
(her faith healer says there's evil acid there
but her food fad book says one cup's ok).

or the thread where she said wheat sensitive people
could enjoy Kamut (wheat) and then washes her
hands of responsibility (I like that) since even
the linked page warned that Kamut is dangerous to
those who are wheat sensitive.

Stay tuned for fresh garbage from VP.
There's no science, little nutrition, and recently
she adds guttermouth to her repertoire:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/9c7818dcabd8ee1c?hl=en&

Eating carbs makes you hungry again sooner. You don't have to eat meat to
low carb, look here:
http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb/
and here:
http://forum.lowcarber.org/forumdisplay.php?f=109

"Reba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I heard that one reason carbs make you put on extra fat is that apart
from being converted to sugar they are so easy to digest.

If you combined eating carbs with high protein foods (not meat) and/or
high fibre foods, would this help to curb their tendency to cause you
to put on weight from eating carb meals like macaroni & cheese, pizza,
etc.? Do eating certain foods in combinations help?

Thank you,

Reba
(PS - please don't advise me to eat meat. I'm a vegetarian)

I guess Visual Purple said that I only "thought" I was a vegetarian
because I eat dairy. I happen to like milk and have no problems with it
as some do and don't understand all the anti-milk stuff that's going
around now days and I always drink organic milk. I don't have any
desire to be vegan if that's what the "fit for life" requires.

It's all so confusing.

Whatever happened to the food pyramid? I would have thought a meal of
macaroni & cheese, having the protein & carb with a side dish of cooked
legumes, and some other vegetable, would be a good balanced meal
combination if one did not eat meat. Sometimes I put a diced yellow
squash in the macaroni casserole. I realize that pizza is probably the
worst thing I could eat if watching my weight but thought if eaten with
a salad or something that it would not be quite as bad.

I've often noticed some days I wake up feeling so full of energy and
other days I wake up feeling tired. I think I'll start a diary of what
I eat and then when I have one of those high energy days and maybe I'll
begin to zoom in on the best way of eating (for me).

I wish I understood better however, regardless of what kind of diet
you believe in, how you can reduce the fat making principles at work
when consuming pasta and breads so as to counteract that activity or
reduce it. If it happens because of how quickly and easily we digest
carbs, then it would seem that eating it with something that is harder
to digest should slow everything down and help. But I'm not a
scientist and really don't understand how it all works.

I had hoped that since this news group is called
"sci.med.nutrition" that someone who really understood how this all
works could help me with it by explaining it without being married to
some particular diet that they embrace and criticizing my choice 'not'
to eat meat or 'to' eat dairy without hanging everything on that
fact(s) alone. I should think even a knowledgeable, educated Adkins fan
could help me with this even though I am not a meat eater.

Thank you,

Reba

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Reba said:

I guess Visual Purple said that I only "thought" I was a vegetarian
because I eat dairy. I happen to like milk and have no problems with it
as some do and don't understand all the anti-milk stuff that's going
around now days and I always drink organic milk. I don't have any
desire to be vegan if that's what the "fit for life" requires.

It's all so confusing.

Whatever happened to the food pyramid? I would have thought a meal of
macaroni & cheese, having the protein & carb with a side dish of cooked
legumes, and some other vegetable, would be a good balanced meal
combination if one did not eat meat. Sometimes I put a diced yellow
squash in the macaroni casserole. I realize that pizza is probably the
worst thing I could eat if watching my weight but thought if eaten with
a salad or something that it would not be quite as bad.

I've often noticed some days I wake up feeling so full of energy and
other days I wake up feeling tired. I think I'll start a diary of what
I eat and then when I have one of those high energy days and maybe I'll
begin to zoom in on the best way of eating (for me).

I wish I understood better however, regardless of what kind of diet
you believe in, how you can reduce the fat making principles at work
when consuming pasta and breads so as to counteract that activity or
reduce it. If it happens because of how quickly and easily we digest
carbs, then it would seem that eating it with something that is harder
to digest should slow everything down and help. But I'm not a
scientist and really don't understand how it all works.

I had hoped that since this news group is called
"sci.med.nutrition" that someone who really understood how this all
works could help me with it by explaining it without being married to
some particular diet that they embrace and criticizing my choice 'not'
to eat meat or 'to' eat dairy without hanging everything on that
fact(s) alone. I should think even a knowledgeable, educated Adkins fan
could help me with this even though I am not a meat eater.

Thank you,

Reba

Not fer nuthin', Reba, but before I came here and asked any questions, I
did months of my own homework and experimentation with diet. It's your
health, your body, your responsibility, not ours to spoon feed you.

Susan

Visual Purple wrote

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Carbs and proteins should never be eaten together - certainly not
refined carbs and high-fat animal protein as in the cases of pizza and
mac and cheese.

what a load of [censored], its quite the opposite actually, protein SHOULD be eaten with carbs to slow
digestion and the resulting insulin spike. Its high carbs and high FATS that are bad deary!

--
RoT

Oh stop with that. I thought you had corrected that character flaw of
yours.

JC Der Koenig said:

Kill yourself and get it over with.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Reba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I heard that one reason carbs make you put on extra fat is that apart
from being converted to sugar they are so easy to digest.

If you combined eating carbs with high protein foods (not meat) and/or
high fibre foods, would this help to curb their tendency to cause you
to put on weight from eating carb meals like macaroni & cheese, pizza,
etc.? Do eating certain foods in combinations help?

Thank you,

Reba
(PS - please don't advise me to eat meat. I'm a vegetarian)

This was what I was thinking. Is there any scientific evidence
supporting this? Do you know of any links I could read?

Thank you,

Reba

This was what I was thinking. Is there any scientific evidence
supporting this? Do you know of any links I could read?

Thank you,

Reba

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Reba said:

This was what I was thinking. Is there any scientific evidence
supporting this? Do you know of any links I could read?

Thank you,

Reba

Reba, to whom are you replying? Could you include a small quote so we
would know?

Susan