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  1. Hi everyone,

    I've been caramalizing onions for garnish by slicing them lengthwise
    about 1/8" or so, mixing them (say two whole med sized onions) with a
    T peanut or other neutral oil, 1 t kosher salt, 1/4 t sugar, pinch
    Thai or other hot chili powder mix & 1 T or so third tier balsamic.

    I spread them out in a single layer on a quarter sheet and bake them
    for about twenty minutes, or until they're soft and just starting to
    crisp at the ends. Sometimes I turn on the broiler for the last five
    minutes.

    I think this method produces a firmer, tastier onion, and is usually a
    bit less labor-intensive than stovetop caramalization.

    Any comments?

    I wonder how or if other readers caramalize onions for garnish or
    ingredients.

    Andy Katz
    ***************************************************************
    Being lied to so billionaires can wage war for profits
    while indebting taxpayers for generations to come, now
    that's just a tad bit bigger than not admitting you like
    the big moist-moist lips of chunky trollops on your pecker.

    Paghat, the Rat Girl

  2. "Andy Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,

    I've been caramalizing onions for garnish by slicing them lengthwise
    about 1/8" or so, mixing them (say two whole med sized onions) with a
    T peanut or other neutral oil, 1 t kosher salt, 1/4 t sugar, pinch
    Thai or other hot chili powder mix & 1 T or so third tier balsamic.

    I spread them out in a single layer on a quarter sheet and bake them
    for about twenty minutes, or until they're soft and just starting to
    crisp at the ends. Sometimes I turn on the broiler for the last five
    minutes.

    I think this method produces a firmer, tastier onion, and is usually a
    bit less labor-intensive than stovetop caramalization.

    Any comments?

    I wonder how or if other readers caramalize onions for garnish or
    ingredients.

    Andy Katz

    Andy, I wonder if this would work for the beginning makings of onions for
    French Onion Soup, making a more intensive tasing soup. Julia's recipe in
    one of her earlier books calls for cooking/stirring onions for 45 minutes, I
    believe.
    Thanks,
    Dee Dee

  3. I use extra virgin in a teflon pan. That works fine for me. Mixing in some
    minced garlic is a nice touch.

    --
    Jennifer Lopez Lingerie *plus* Gourmet Goodies
    www.cafepress.com/dwacon

  4. On Mon 29 Aug 2005 06:50:38p, Andy Katz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,

    I've been caramalizing onions for garnish by slicing them lengthwise
    about 1/8" or so, mixing them (say two whole med sized onions) with a
    T peanut or other neutral oil, 1 t kosher salt, 1/4 t sugar, pinch
    Thai or other hot chili powder mix & 1 T or so third tier balsamic.

    I spread them out in a single layer on a quarter sheet and bake them
    for about twenty minutes, or until they're soft and just starting to
    crisp at the ends. Sometimes I turn on the broiler for the last five
    minutes.

    I think this method produces a firmer, tastier onion, and is usually a
    bit less labor-intensive than stovetop caramalization.

    Any comments?

    I wonder how or if other readers caramalize onions for garnish or
    ingredients.

    This sounds like a nice alternative, and I will try it.

    Barb Schaller posted a crockpot method of caramelizing onions quite some
    time back that also produces very nice onions and is not labor intensive.
    You might look it up for comparison.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
    unless there are three other people.

  5. Wayne Boatwright wrote on 29 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wonder how or if other readers caramalize onions for garnish or
    ingredients.

    This sounds like a nice alternative, and I will try it.

    Barb Schaller posted a crockpot method of caramelizing onions quite
    some time back that also produces very nice onions and is not labor
    intensive. You might look it up for comparison.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
    unless there are three other people.

    I recommend the crockpot method.

    --
    The eyes are the mirrors....
    But the ears...Ah the ears.
    The ears keep the hat up.

  6. Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted butter,
    and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.

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    Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted butter,
    and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.

    Oooooooh, I would have never thought of using the crockpot! This way sounds
    wonderful!

    kili

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    Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted butter,
    and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.

    Hi or Low?
    Thanks,
    Dee

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    Hi everyone,

    I wonder how or if other readers caramalize onions for garnish or
    ingredients.

    I've done them in the oven before, using a similar method, and they
    turned out wonderfully.

    Marcella Hazan has a recipe for spaghetti with smothered onions in which
    you put the sliced onions into a skillet with some olive oil, salt and
    pepper, and cover the pan. Cook on very low heat for about 45 minutes.
    When you remove the cover, the onions will be soft and translucent, and
    will have shed a lot of liquid. You crank up the heat to high and let
    the liquid evaporate, then stir like crazy for about 5 minutes, adding a
    little butter. The onions take on a dark brown color very quickly.
    Hmm, I think she adds and then cooks off a little white wine at some
    point in there, but I never other with it.

    After carmelizing the onions, taste and adjust for salt & pepper, add
    some chopped fresh parsley, and dump over spaghetti. Use a large onion
    per person -- the onions shrink considerably. Serve w/ parm cheese at
    the table. Haven't had this in a while...will have to make it soon!

    Chris

  10. Dee Randall said:

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    Quoted message said:

    Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted butter,
    and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.

    Hi or Low?
    Thanks,
    Dee


    This is a new one on me! When I do carmalized onions I do them for the
    meal at hand. I'm wondering is this just for large batches and what do
    you use the large batches for?

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    Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted butter,
    and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.

    Hi or Low?
    Thanks,
    Dee


    I do them in the crockpot on low for about 6 hours. I've used them to make
    French onion soup, smothered veal, on top of pork chops, etc. They will keep in
    a covered container in the refrigerator for a few days but you need to reheat
    them (I do that in the microwave) before using them if they have been in the
    frig.
    Gigi

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    Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted butter,
    and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.

    Hi or Low?
    Thanks,
    Dee


    I do them in the crockpot on low for about 6 hours. I've used them to
    make
    French onion soup, smothered veal, on top of pork chops, etc. They will
    keep in
    a covered container in the refrigerator for a few days but you need to
    reheat
    them (I do that in the microwave) before using them if they have been in
    the
    frig.
    Gigi


    Thank you, Gigi.
    Now, my next question: I have a lot of Vidalia onions on hand. I've read
    that yellow onions (which are quite strong to me and I don't usually buy
    them) are the best to use for onion soup. Are yellow onions used because of
    their strongness of taste? Or they are just cheaper, or what? Does anyone
    know?
    Thanks so much.
    Dee Dee

  13. On Tue 30 Aug 2005 08:02:06a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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    > Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted
    > butter, and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.

    Hi or Low?
    Thanks,
    Dee


    I do them in the crockpot on low for about 6 hours. I've used them to
    make French onion soup, smothered veal, on top of pork chops, etc.
    They will keep in
    a covered container in the refrigerator for a few days but you need to
    reheat them (I do that in the microwave) before using them if they have
    been in the frig. Gigi


    Thank you, Gigi.
    Now, my next question: I have a lot of Vidalia onions on hand. I've
    read that yellow onions (which are quite strong to me and I don't
    usually buy them) are the best to use for onion soup. Are yellow onions
    used because of their strongness of taste? Or they are just cheaper, or
    what? Does anyone know?
    Thanks so much.
    Dee Dee

    I couuldn't say for sure, but onions prepared for onion soup are usually
    cooked long and slow, and mellow considerably. This might make a stronger
    onion necessary.

    I love Vidalias, but the one time I used it for pot roast, I could barely
    tell there was onion in it. I think they are better used raw, or only
    slightly cooked.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

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    On Tue 30 Aug 2005 08:02:06a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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    > > Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted
    > > butter, and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.
    >
    > Hi or Low?
    > Thanks,
    > Dee
    >
    I do them in the crockpot on low for about 6 hours. I've used them to
    make French onion soup, smothered veal, on top of pork chops, etc.
    They will keep in
    a covered container in the refrigerator for a few days but you need to
    reheat them (I do that in the microwave) before using them if they have
    been in the frig. Gigi


    Thank you, Gigi.
    Now, my next question: I have a lot of Vidalia onions on hand. I've
    read that yellow onions (which are quite strong to me and I don't
    usually buy them) are the best to use for onion soup. Are yellow onions
    used because of their strongness of taste? Or they are just cheaper, or
    what? Does anyone know?
    Thanks so much.
    Dee Dee

    I couuldn't say for sure, but onions prepared for onion soup are usually
    cooked long and slow, and mellow considerably. This might make a stronger
    onion necessary.

    I love Vidalias, but the one time I used it for pot roast, I could barely
    tell there was onion in it. I think they are better used raw, or only
    slightly cooked.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*

    I tend to agree. I put some Vidalias with some salad yesterday and DH
    commented that 'you could eat these like an apple.'
    P.S. I mentioned on the ng this week that it had been sooo long that I made
    a cake, pie or cookies. So I'm getting ready to take out 'your' Hershey's
    Perfectly Chocolate Choclate Cake' within 5 minutes. Used Giradelli really
    dark-looking cocoa and coconut oil. It's smellin' goood.
    Dee Dee

  15. On Tue 30 Aug 2005 09:45:24a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Tue 30 Aug 2005 08:02:06a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "Gigi" <itchyfeet(no spam)@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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    >> > Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted
    >> > butter, and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.
    >>
    >> Hi or Low?
    >> Thanks,
    >> Dee
    >>
    > I do them in the crockpot on low for about 6 hours. I've used them
    > to make French onion soup, smothered veal, on top of pork chops, etc.
    > They will keep in
    > a covered container in the refrigerator for a few days but you need
    > to reheat them (I do that in the microwave) before using them if they
    > have been in the frig. Gigi
    >
    Thank you, Gigi.
    Now, my next question: I have a lot of Vidalia onions on hand. I've
    read that yellow onions (which are quite strong to me and I don't
    usually buy them) are the best to use for onion soup. Are yellow
    onions used because of their strongness of taste? Or they are just
    cheaper, or what? Does anyone know?
    Thanks so much.
    Dee Dee

    I couuldn't say for sure, but onions prepared for onion soup are
    usually cooked long and slow, and mellow considerably. This might make
    a stronger onion necessary.

    I love Vidalias, but the one time I used it for pot roast, I could
    barely tell there was onion in it. I think they are better used raw,
    or only slightly cooked.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*

    I tend to agree. I put some Vidalias with some salad yesterday and DH
    commented that 'you could eat these like an apple.'
    P.S. I mentioned on the ng this week that it had been sooo long that I
    made a cake, pie or cookies. So I'm getting ready to take out 'your'
    Hershey's Perfectly Chocolate Choclate Cake' within 5 minutes. Used
    Giradelli really dark-looking cocoa and coconut oil. It's smellin'
    goood. Dee Dee

    That sounds delish, Dee! Coconut oil? Tell me more...

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

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    On Tue 30 Aug 2005 09:45:24a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Tue 30 Aug 2005 08:02:06a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    >
    > "Gigi" <itchyfeet(no spam)@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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    >>>
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    >>> > Crockpot is great....pile those puppies in, tossed with melted
    >>> > butter, and let it rip about 6 hours. Or so.
    >>>
    >>> Hi or Low?
    >>> Thanks,
    >>> Dee
    >>>
    >> I do them in the crockpot on low for about 6 hours. I've used them
    >> to make French onion soup, smothered veal, on top of pork chops, etc.
    >> They will keep in
    >> a covered container in the refrigerator for a few days but you need
    >> to reheat them (I do that in the microwave) before using them if they
    >> have been in the frig. Gigi
    >>
    > Thank you, Gigi.
    > Now, my next question: I have a lot of Vidalia onions on hand. I've
    > read that yellow onions (which are quite strong to me and I don't
    > usually buy them) are the best to use for onion soup. Are yellow
    > onions used because of their strongness of taste? Or they are just
    > cheaper, or what? Does anyone know?
    > Thanks so much.
    > Dee Dee

    I couuldn't say for sure, but onions prepared for onion soup are
    usually cooked long and slow, and mellow considerably. This might make
    a stronger onion necessary.

    I love Vidalias, but the one time I used it for pot roast, I could
    barely tell there was onion in it. I think they are better used raw,
    or only slightly cooked.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*

    I tend to agree. I put some Vidalias with some salad yesterday and DH
    commented that 'you could eat these like an apple.'
    P.S. I mentioned on the ng this week that it had been sooo long that I
    made a cake, pie or cookies. So I'm getting ready to take out 'your'
    Hershey's Perfectly Chocolate Choclate Cake' within 5 minutes. Used
    Giradelli really dark-looking cocoa and coconut oil. It's smellin'
    goood. Dee Dee

    That sounds delish, Dee! Coconut oil? Tell me more...

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*

    I'd been looking for an oil that might substitute for 'canola' or 'corn' or
    'peanut' to use as an alternative to my everyday oils (butter and olive
    oil). Palm oil (spectrum) just doesn't do it - it has a certain taste that
    is disagreeable to me. I used it a few years back after buying a 2-3 lb.
    container. It was difficult to use, as well, in the state it was in.
    After reading a lot about coconut oil, I think I even bought a book on
    coconut oil, I started using it, ever so slowly. My DH has encouraged me,
    as well as his use of it when he cooks, has increased my use of it and I
    have found no fault at all thus far. Day before yesterday he fried my
    morning eggs in coconut oil. I commented that the eggs tasted better and he
    said, "coconut oil." This morning I fried quickly some fresh [censored] in
    c.o. and one thing I must say about it, is it has a clean taste, leaving no
    taste of oil so that you can taste the ingredient that you are pan-frying.
    I had been using c.o. WITH butter, as I use olive oil and butter together,
    but I find now that I really like the c.o. itself. There are all sorts of
    stores that sell it at all sorts of prices, but I buy organic at Vitamin
    Shoppe and it's affordable (to me). I'd buy it elsewhere if it were priced
    right and readily available.
    With so much talk about canola oil nowadays - it's benefits have fallen by
    the wayside -- perhaps coconut oil will fall, too, but tell that to the
    Pacific Islanders. Now, I'm no good at making pie crust, or I would try it
    using it. The one nice thing about coconut oil is that it is like liquid
    when leaving it in a 75F room, but hardens up like Crisco when put in the
    refrigerator, so maybe it would make a delicious pie crust.
    Dee Dee

  17. "Andy Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,

    I've been caramalizing onions for garnish by slicing them lengthwise
    about 1/8" or so, mixing them (say two whole med sized onions) with a
    T peanut or other neutral oil, 1 t kosher salt, 1/4 t sugar, pinch
    Thai or other hot chili powder mix & 1 T or so third tier balsamic.

    I spread them out in a single layer on a quarter sheet and bake them
    for about twenty minutes, or until they're soft and just starting to
    crisp at the ends. Sometimes I turn on the broiler for the last five
    minutes.

    I think this method produces a firmer, tastier onion, and is usually a
    bit less labor-intensive than stovetop caramalization.

    Any comments?

    I wonder how or if other readers caramalize onions for garnish or
    ingredients.

    Andy Katz

    Yep, I'm surprised you can taste the onion.

    Next time try Butter, cast iron & Onion maybe some salt.

    Dimitri

  18. Dee Randall said:


    I'd been looking for an oil that might substitute for 'canola' or 'corn' or
    'peanut' to use as an alternative to my everyday oils (butter and olive
    oil).

    Sunflower oil is excellent.

    http://www.sunflowernsa.com/oil

    Sheldon

  19. Dee Randall said:

    Thank you, Gigi.
    Now, my next question: I have a lot of Vidalia onions on hand. I've read
    that yellow onions (which are quite strong to me and I don't usually buy
    them) are the best to use for onion soup. Are yellow onions used because of
    their strongness of taste? Or they are just cheaper, or what? Does anyone
    know?

    I think yellow onions are used because they have more sugars than white
    or red onions, so they caramelize better. Vidalias, I think, have more
    water than standard yellows and, as you mention in a later posting,
    less of an onion-y taste which might make them less suitable for onion
    soup. It might be interesting to do a blind taste test and a
    blind+no-smelling taste test comparing apples and vidalia onions to see
    if they can reliably be distinguished. It has probably been done
    already.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks so much.
    Dee Dee

    -bwg

  20. Wayne Boatwright said:

    This sounds like a nice alternative, and I will try it.

    Barb Schaller posted a crockpot method of caramelizing onions quite some
    time back that also produces very nice onions and is not labor intensive.
    You might look it up for comparison.

    Now that you mention it, I do recall some reference to Barb Schaller's
    caramelization method. I'm going to try that today (since we got a
    crock-pot at a yard sale last year and don't use it much).

    Does she leave them covered or uncovered?

    Andy Katz
    ***************************************************************
    Being lied to so billionaires can wage war for profits
    while indebting taxpayers for generations to come, now
    that's just a tad bit bigger than not admitting you like
    the big moist-moist lips of chunky trollops on your pecker.

    Paghat, the Rat Girl

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