Cannondale vs Lemond

Arne Morken said:

Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
Lemond Reno with 6066 frame and a Cannondale R500 with a
CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and have quite similar
accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no

I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds
have a structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal
axles and a long top tube. What I don't like about the bike
is too large of handlebars/stem (can't stick much on there
-- for instance, my bike light can't go there) and that's
about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either). However, I
think whichever fits better is better. My Trek simply didn't
fit me as well as the LeMond does.

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Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet.
However, I did not understand the comment regarding the
knees behind the pedal axles. What does that mean exactly?

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I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds
have a structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal
axles and a long top tube. What I don't like about the
bike is too large of handlebars/stem (can't stick much on
there -- for instance, my bike light can't go there) and
that's about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either).
However, I think whichever fits better is better. My Trek
simply didn't fit me as well as the LeMond does.

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Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

I had a caad 5 road bike and recently upgraded to a caad6.
Both bikes are just great. But you can't go wrong with
either lemond or cannondale.

charlie

"Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
Tourmalet. However, I

did

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not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the
pedal axles.

What

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does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid back
position. A lot of people aren't flexible enough for that
sort of position and have a more upright seat tube and more
forward position spawned by the shorter top tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

Arne Morken said:

Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
Lemond Reno with 6066 frame and a Cannondale R500 with a
CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and have quite similar
accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

No question at all, get the one that fits you better.

Baird

Randy Walton said:

I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
Tourmalet. However, I did not understand the comment
regarding the knees behind the pedal axles. What does that
mean exactly?

Your butt is further back.

"Arne Morken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
Lemond Reno with 6066 frame and a Cannondale R500 with a
CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and have quite similar
accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no

Try to ride them and see which one fits better and rides
better. See if the shop will let you take them for a ride in
full garb for at least an hour. Go up a hill, down the hill,
sprint, smash, spin, etc.

Andres

Understood. That makes sense.

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Randy Walton said:

I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
Tourmalet. However, I

did

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not understand the comment regarding the knees behind
the pedal axles.

What

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does that mean exactly?

Your butt is further back.

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"Arne Morken" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
Lemond Reno with 6066 frame and a Cannondale R500 with a
CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and have quite
similar accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no

Try to ride them and see which one fits better and rides
better. See if the shop will let you take them for a ride
in full garb for at least an hour. Go up a hill, down the
hill, sprint, smash, spin, etc.

Andres

Yeah, some bike shops will let you and some bike shops
won't. Call around to find a local bike store (LBS) that
will let you. You will also want to be fitted to the bike to
some extent before riding.

Mike

I went for the Lemond. Both bikes seemed to fit nicely, but the staff in the
"Lemond-shop" was much more friendly and service-minded. Also it's a smaller
shop, so I get the "welcome home" feeling every time I drop in there 🙂

Had a 2 hour ride today and it was just great! 🙂

Thank you for your answers!

Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no

"Arne Morken" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding
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Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a
Lemond Reno with

6066

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frame and a Cannondale R500 with a CAAD5 frame, both have
carbon forks and have quite similar accessories, as far as
I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

Regards, Arne www.mindmatters.no

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I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds
have a structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal
axles and a long top tube. What I don't like about the
bike is too large of handlebars/stem (can't stick much on
there -- for instance, my bike light can't go there) and
that's about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either).
However, I think whichever fits better is better. My Trek
simply didn't fit me as well as the LeMond does.

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Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

Um, the OP was talking about just the frame. Your complaint
about the handlebars/stem and the seat have nothing to do
with the FRAME!

So, looking at your post, I'd say you prefer the Lemond over
the Trek (framewise)?

NobodyMan said:

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Quoted message said:

I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The
LeMonds have a structure I like, which is knees behind
the pedal axles and a long top tube. What I don't like
about the bike is too large of handlebars/stem (can't
stick much on there -- for instance, my bike light can't
go there) and that's about it (oh, I didn't like the
saddle, either). However, I think whichever fits better
is better. My Trek simply didn't fit me as well as the
LeMond does.

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Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

Um, the OP was talking about just the frame. Your
complaint about the handlebars/stem and the seat have
nothing to do with the FRAME!

So, looking at your post, I'd say you prefer the Lemond
over the Trek (framewise)?

I prefer the fit of the LeMond over the fit of the Trek.
The LeMond is steel and the Trek is aluminum. However, I
rode them over the same roads and could not tell a
difference in ride (particularly because the LeMond comes
with much wider tires than I typically use -- or can even
find, for that matter).

Nonetheless, if you're going to buy certain LeMonds, you're
going to run into the handlebar problem. For instance, I
wanted a longer stem and it was harder to find one that fit
the dang handlebar.

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Tom Kunich said:

"Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
Tourmalet. However, I

did

Quoted message said:

not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the
pedal axles.

What

Quoted message said:

does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid
back position. A lot of people aren't flexible enough for
that sort of position and have a more upright seat tube
and more forward position spawned by the shorter top tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have
knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a
set-back seatpost and the seat pushed as far back as
possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal axle. When
you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I
used to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
biking 50-60 miles over very hilly terrain, like in CT where
I live now, it means that I no longer use the Trek. Once I
started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees starting hurting my on
the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the pain instantly
disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee
surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.

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Tom Kunich said:

"Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
Tourmalet. However, I

did

Quoted message said:

not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the
pedal axles.

What

Quoted message said:

does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid
back position. A lot of people aren't flexible enough for
that sort of position and have a more upright seat tube
and more forward position spawned by the shorter top tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have
knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a
set-back seatpost and the seat pushed as far back as
possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal axle. When
you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I
used to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
biking 50-60 miles over very hilly terrain, like in CT where
I live now, it means that I no longer use the Trek. Once I
started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees starting hurting my on
the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the pain instantly
disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee
surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.

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Tom Kunich said:

"Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
Tourmalet. However, I

did

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not understand the comment regarding the knees behind
the pedal axles.

What

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid
back position. A lot of people aren't flexible enough
for that sort of position and have a more upright seat
tube and more forward position spawned by the shorter
top tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have
knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with
a set-back seatpost and the seat pushed as far back as
possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal axle. When
you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I
used to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
biking 50-60 miles over very hilly terrain, like in CT
where I live now, it means that I no longer use the Trek.
Once I started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees starting
hurting my on the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the
pain instantly disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee
surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.

A friend (former racer who rode against Lemond a few
times) commented that Greg has something about his leg
where his femur is proportionally longer than that of most
people. I'm not sure if that's translated into the design
of his bikes, but it does sound like it's related to what
you're describing, regarding frame dimensions and
positioning the saddle.

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On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich
<[email hidden]> wrote:

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have
knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with
a set-back seatpost and the seat pushed as far back as
possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal axle.

What does the knee-pedal axle relationship have to do
with anything?

In the 80's they were coming up with all sorts of
relationships that weren't real and this is just another one
of them. If you raised your seat slightly, on the Trek,
you'd have gotten away from the knee problem in all
probability.

Reminds me of the "Fit Kit" that a friend paid for that
informed him that he could use a stem from 105 mm to 135 mm.
My, wasn't that helpful?

On Mon, 24 May 2004 13:27:02 GMT, Bob in CT <[email hidden]>

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NobodyMan said:

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> I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The
> LeMonds have a structure I like, which is knees behind
> the pedal axles and a long top tube. What I don't like
> about the bike is too large of handlebars/stem (can't
> stick much on there -- for instance, my bike light
> can't go there) and that's about it (oh, I didn't like
> the saddle, either). However, I think whichever fits
> better is better. My Trek simply didn't fit me as well
> as the LeMond does.
>
> --
> Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

Um, the OP was talking about just the frame. Your
complaint about the handlebars/stem and the seat have
nothing to do with the FRAME!

So, looking at your post, I'd say you prefer the Lemond
over the Trek (framewise)?

I prefer the fit of the LeMond over the fit of the Trek.
The LeMond is steel and the Trek is aluminum. However, I
rode them over the same roads and could not tell a
difference in ride (particularly because the LeMond comes
with much wider tires than I typically use -- or can even
find, for that matter).

Nonetheless, if you're going to buy certain LeMonds, you're
going to run into the handlebar problem. For instance, I
wanted a longer stem and it was harder to find one that fit
the dang handlebar.

Which has nothing to do with the frame. The frame does not
include the bars you wanted. It does not include the stem to
hold those bars. It is just the "frame" to which you attach
the stem and then the bars!!!!!

According to their website propaganda they researched the
technology based on his experience and determined that other
riders also benefited equally from the improved position.

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On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich
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"Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
> Tourmalet.

However, I

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did

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> not understand the comment regarding the knees behind
> the pedal

axles.

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What

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> does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a
laid back position.

A

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lot of people aren't flexible enough for that sort of
position and have a more upright seat tube and more
forward position spawned by the shorter top tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to
have knee pain and the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek,
even with a set-back seatpost and

the

Quoted message said:

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seat pushed as far back as possible, my knees were IN
FRONT of the pedal axle. When you're only biking 10-20
miles over flat terrain, like I

used

Quoted message said:

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to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
biking 50-60

miles

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over very hilly terrain, like in CT where I live now, it
means that I no longer use the Trek. Once I started
hitting 30-40 miles, my knees starting hurting my on the
Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the pain instantly
disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or
knee surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.

A friend (former racer who rode against Lemond a few
times) commented that Greg has something about his leg
where his femur is proportionally longer than that of most
people. I'm not sure if that's translated into the design
of his bikes, but it does sound like it's related to what
you're describing, regarding frame dimensions and
positioning the saddle.

On Wed, 26 May 2004 20:18:49 GMT, Randy Walton <[email hidden]>

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According to their website propaganda they researched the
technology based on his experience and determined that
other riders also benefited equally from the improved
position.

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On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich
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> "Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond
>> Tourmalet.

However, I

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did
>> not understand the comment regarding the knees
>> behind the pedal

axles.

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What
>> does that mean exactly?
>
> Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a
> laid back

position.

A

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> lot of people aren't flexible enough for that sort of
> position and have

a

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> more upright seat tube and more forward position
> spawned by the shorter

top

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> tube.
>
> You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.
>
>

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to
have knee pain

and

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the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a set-back
seatpost and

the

Quoted message said:

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seat pushed as far back as possible, my knees were IN
FRONT of the

pedal

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axle. When you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat
terrain, like I

used

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to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're
biking 50-60

miles

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over very hilly terrain, like in CT where I live now,
it means that I

no

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longer use the Trek. Once I started hitting 30-40
miles, my knees starting hurting my on the Trek. I
switched to the LeMond, and the

pain

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instantly disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or
knee surgery and enjoying long rides on my bike.

A friend (former racer who rode against Lemond a few
times) commented that Greg has something about his leg
where his femur is proportionally longer than that of
most people. I'm not sure if that's translated into the
design of his bikes, but it does sound like it's related
to what you're describing, regarding frame dimensions and
positioning the saddle.

It is my problem -- my femur is longer than "normal." I also
have shorter legs and a longer upper body. For instance, the
person from which I bought the bike was the same height as
me, so he set it up initially. I had to lower the seat, push
the seat all the way back, and buy a longer stem.

However, I did ride my Trek for quite a while. Initially, I
had an extender put on it (it was a device the went between
the seat post and the saddle rails and gave me quite a bit
of setback). After some years, I ditched that for some
reason (new seat post?), but I got injured in an unrelated
sport and didn't ride for a while. Then, I moved to CT and
got back into riding. I bought another setback seatpost, but
the longer my rides became, the worse the pain became. I
switched to the Lemond and there was no pain (even riding
the Lemond in the parking lot of the store).

I think for racing bikes, fit is pretty much everything.

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