Cannondale vs Lemond

Arne Morken said:

Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a Lemond Reno with
6066
frame and a Cannondale R500 with a CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks
and
have quite similar accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

Regards,
Arne
www.mindmatters.no

I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds have a
structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal axles and a long top
tube. What I don't like about the bike is too large of handlebars/stem
(can't stick much on there -- for instance, my bike light can't go there)
and that's about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either). However, I
think whichever fits better is better. My Trek simply didn't fit me as
well as the LeMond does.

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Bob in CT
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I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet. However, I did
not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the pedal axles. What
does that mean exactly?

Quoted message said:

I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds have a
structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal axles and a long top
tube. What I don't like about the bike is too large of handlebars/stem
(can't stick much on there -- for instance, my bike light can't go there)
and that's about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either). However, I
think whichever fits better is better. My Trek simply didn't fit me as
well as the LeMond does.

--
Bob in CT
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I had a caad 5 road bike and recently upgraded to a caad6. Both bikes
are just great. But you can't go wrong with either lemond or
cannondale.

charlie

"Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet. However, I

did

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not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the pedal axles.

What

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does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid back position. A lot
of people aren't flexible enough for that sort of position and have a more
upright seat tube and more forward position spawned by the shorter top tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

Arne Morken said:

Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a Lemond Reno with 6066
frame and a Cannondale R500 with a CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and
have quite similar accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

No question at all, get the one that fits you better.

Baird

"Arne Morken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a Lemond Reno with 6066
frame and a Cannondale R500 with a CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and
have quite similar accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

Regards,
Arne
www.mindmatters.no

Try to ride them and see which one fits better and rides better. See
if the shop will let you take them for a ride in full garb for at
least an hour. Go up a hill, down the hill, sprint, smash, spin, etc.

Andres

Randy Walton said:

I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet. However, I did
not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the pedal axles. What
does that mean exactly?

Your butt is further back.

Understood. That makes sense.

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Randy Walton said:

I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet. However, I

did

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not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the pedal axles.

What

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does that mean exactly?

Your butt is further back.

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"Arne Morken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a Lemond Reno with 6066
frame and a Cannondale R500 with a CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and
have quite similar accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

Regards,
Arne
www.mindmatters.no

Try to ride them and see which one fits better and rides better. See
if the shop will let you take them for a ride in full garb for at
least an hour. Go up a hill, down the hill, sprint, smash, spin, etc.

Andres

Yeah, some bike shops will let you and some bike shops won't. Call
around to find a local bike store (LBS) that will let you. You will also
want to be fitted to the bike to some extent before riding.

Mike

I went for the Lemond. Both bikes seemed to fit nicely, but the staff in the
"Lemond-shop" was much more friendly and service-minded. Also it's a smaller
shop, so I get the "welcome home" feeling every time I drop in there 🙂

Had a 2 hour ride today and it was just great! 🙂

Thank you for your answers!

Regards,
Arne
www.mindmatters.no

"Arne Morken" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding
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Quoted message said:

Looking to buy a new racer and the choice is between a Lemond Reno with

6066

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frame and a Cannondale R500 with a CAAD5 frame, both have carbon forks and
have quite similar accessories, as far as I can understand.

Anybody has any experience with these? Recommendations?

Regards,
Arne
www.mindmatters.no

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I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds have a
structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal axles and a long top
tube. What I don't like about the bike is too large of handlebars/stem
(can't stick much on there -- for instance, my bike light can't go there)
and that's about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either). However, I
think whichever fits better is better. My Trek simply didn't fit me as
well as the LeMond does.

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Bob in CT
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Um, the OP was talking about just the frame. Your complaint about the
handlebars/stem and the seat have nothing to do with the FRAME!

So, looking at your post, I'd say you prefer the Lemond over the Trek
(framewise)?

NobodyMan said:

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I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds have a
structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal axles and a long top
tube. What I don't like about the bike is too large of handlebars/stem
(can't stick much on there -- for instance, my bike light can't go
there)
and that's about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either). However, I
think whichever fits better is better. My Trek simply didn't fit me as
well as the LeMond does.

--
Bob in CT
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Um, the OP was talking about just the frame. Your complaint about the
handlebars/stem and the seat have nothing to do with the FRAME!

So, looking at your post, I'd say you prefer the Lemond over the Trek
(framewise)?

I prefer the fit of the LeMond over the fit of the Trek. The LeMond is
steel and the Trek is aluminum. However, I rode them over the same roads
and could not tell a difference in ride (particularly because the LeMond
comes with much wider tires than I typically use -- or can even find, for
that matter).

Nonetheless, if you're going to buy certain LeMonds, you're going to run
into the handlebar problem. For instance, I wanted a longer stem and it
was harder to find one that fit the dang handlebar.

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Bob in CT
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Tom Kunich said:

"Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet. However, I

did

Quoted message said:

not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the pedal axles.

What

Quoted message said:

does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid back position. A
lot
of people aren't flexible enough for that sort of position and have a
more
upright seat tube and more forward position spawned by the shorter top
tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have knee pain and
the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a set-back seatpost and the
seat pushed as far back as possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal
axle. When you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I used
to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're biking 50-60 miles
over very hilly terrain, like in CT where I live now, it means that I no
longer use the Trek. Once I started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees
starting hurting my on the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the pain
instantly disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee surgery and
enjoying long rides on my bike.

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Bob in CT
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Tom Kunich said:

"Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet. However, I

did

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the pedal axles.

What

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid back position. A
lot
of people aren't flexible enough for that sort of position and have a
more
upright seat tube and more forward position spawned by the shorter top
tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have knee pain and
the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a set-back seatpost and the
seat pushed as far back as possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal
axle. When you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I used
to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're biking 50-60 miles
over very hilly terrain, like in CT where I live now, it means that I no
longer use the Trek. Once I started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees
starting hurting my on the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the pain
instantly disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee surgery and
enjoying long rides on my bike.

A friend (former racer who rode against Lemond a few times) commented
that Greg has something about his leg where his femur is
proportionally longer than that of most people. I'm not sure if
that's translated into the design of his bikes, but it does sound like
it's related to what you're describing, regarding frame dimensions and
positioning the saddle.

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On Sat, 22 May 2004 03:31:42 GMT, Tom Kunich <[email hidden]> wrote:

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have knee pain and
the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a set-back seatpost and the
seat pushed as far back as possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal
axle.

What does the knee-pedal axle relationship have to do with anything?

In the 80's they were coming up with all sorts of relationships that weren't
real and this is just another one of them. If you raised your seat slightly,
on the Trek, you'd have gotten away from the knee problem in all
probability.

Reminds me of the "Fit Kit" that a friend paid for that informed him that he
could use a stem from 105 mm to 135 mm. My, wasn't that helpful?

On Mon, 24 May 2004 13:27:02 GMT, Bob in CT <[email hidden]>

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NobodyMan said:

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> I have a LeMond, which I bought after a Trek. The LeMonds have a
> structure I like, which is knees behind the pedal axles and a long top
> tube. What I don't like about the bike is too large of handlebars/stem
> (can't stick much on there -- for instance, my bike light can't go
> there)
> and that's about it (oh, I didn't like the saddle, either). However, I
> think whichever fits better is better. My Trek simply didn't fit me as
> well as the LeMond does.
>
> --
> Bob in CT
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Um, the OP was talking about just the frame. Your complaint about the
handlebars/stem and the seat have nothing to do with the FRAME!

So, looking at your post, I'd say you prefer the Lemond over the Trek
(framewise)?

I prefer the fit of the LeMond over the fit of the Trek. The LeMond is
steel and the Trek is aluminum. However, I rode them over the same roads
and could not tell a difference in ride (particularly because the LeMond
comes with much wider tires than I typically use -- or can even find, for
that matter).

Nonetheless, if you're going to buy certain LeMonds, you're going to run
into the handlebar problem. For instance, I wanted a longer stem and it
was harder to find one that fit the dang handlebar.

Which has nothing to do with the frame. The frame does not include
the bars you wanted. It does not include the stem to hold those bars.
It is just the "frame" to which you attach the stem and then the
bars!!!!!

According to their website propaganda they researched the technology based
on his experience and determined that other riders also benefited equally
from the improved position.

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"Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet.

However, I

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did

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> not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the pedal

axles.

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What

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> does that mean exactly?

Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid back position.

A

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lot
of people aren't flexible enough for that sort of position and have a
more
upright seat tube and more forward position spawned by the shorter top
tube.

You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have knee pain and
the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a set-back seatpost and

the

Quoted message said:

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seat pushed as far back as possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the pedal
axle. When you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I

used

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to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're biking 50-60

miles

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over very hilly terrain, like in CT where I live now, it means that I no
longer use the Trek. Once I started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees
starting hurting my on the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the pain
instantly disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee surgery and
enjoying long rides on my bike.

A friend (former racer who rode against Lemond a few times) commented
that Greg has something about his leg where his femur is
proportionally longer than that of most people. I'm not sure if
that's translated into the design of his bikes, but it does sound like
it's related to what you're describing, regarding frame dimensions and
positioning the saddle.

On Wed, 26 May 2004 20:18:49 GMT, Randy Walton <[email hidden]>

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According to their website propaganda they researched the technology
based
on his experience and determined that other riders also benefited equally
from the improved position.

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Randy Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> I am also in the market and looking at the Lemond Tourmalet.

However, I

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did
>> not understand the comment regarding the knees behind the pedal

axles.

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What
>> does that mean exactly?
>
> Absolutely nothing. He likes a long top tube and a laid back

position.

A

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> lot
> of people aren't flexible enough for that sort of position and have

a

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> more
> upright seat tube and more forward position spawned by the shorter

top

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> tube.
>
> You say tomato and I say to-mah-to.
>
>

No, actually it means that the Trek was causing me to have knee pain

and

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the LeMond doesn't. With the Trek, even with a set-back seatpost and

the

Quoted message said:

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seat pushed as far back as possible, my knees were IN FRONT of the

pedal

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axle. When you're only biking 10-20 miles over flat terrain, like I

used

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to do in AZ, it's not that big of a deal. When you're biking 50-60

miles

Quoted message said:

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over very hilly terrain, like in CT where I live now, it means that I

no

Quoted message said:

longer use the Trek. Once I started hitting 30-40 miles, my knees
starting hurting my on the Trek. I switched to the LeMond, and the

pain

Quoted message said:

instantly disappeared.

It's the difference between not riding at all and/or knee surgery and
enjoying long rides on my bike.

A friend (former racer who rode against Lemond a few times) commented
that Greg has something about his leg where his femur is
proportionally longer than that of most people. I'm not sure if
that's translated into the design of his bikes, but it does sound like
it's related to what you're describing, regarding frame dimensions and
positioning the saddle.

It is my problem -- my femur is longer than "normal." I also have shorter
legs and a longer upper body. For instance, the person from which I
bought the bike was the same height as me, so he set it up initially. I
had to lower the seat, push the seat all the way back, and buy a longer
stem.

However, I did ride my Trek for quite a while. Initially, I had an
extender put on it (it was a device the went between the seat post and the
saddle rails and gave me quite a bit of setback). After some years, I
ditched that for some reason (new seat post?), but I got injured in an
unrelated sport and didn't ride for a while. Then, I moved to CT and got
back into riding. I bought another setback seatpost, but the longer my
rides became, the worse the pain became. I switched to the Lemond and
there was no pain (even riding the Lemond in the parking lot of the
store).

I think for racing bikes, fit is pretty much everything.

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Bob in CT
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