Can you make it to the market on a bike?



On Jul 26, 11:49 am, "Amy Blankenship"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
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> > "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Jul 25, 7:03 pm, "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >>> I saw Cheney mentioned (what he has to do with any of this is beyond me)
> >>> and
> >>> I saw that it said it was better in the 70's. No wonder you anti-car
> >>> people
> >>> are a bunch of marginalized freaks. You're LOONY, and if you weren't you
> >>> could actually convince people to create bike lanes or trails or
> >>> whatever,
> >>> and it would be a good thing. Posting loony article does you no good.
>
> >> America joining the select group of democratic nations could do no
> >> harm --actually it can do a lot of good. Nations the chose that path --
> >> Holland, Germany, Scandinavia-- have both Healthcare for all and bike
> >> lanes.
>
> > You're a kook,why did you throw healthcare into this discussion? You
> > wanted a kooky discussion on health care even though it's got nothing to
> > do with the conversation. A minority of people in the US want bike lanes
> > and most people are happy with their own personal health care. Period.
>
> I think if you visit Scandinavian countries, you will find that the issue of
> bike-friendly infrastructure and healthcare are intimately connected in ways
> that are difficult to explain to people who are not open to making such
> connections easily.-

Yep, but the connecting word is loud and clear: DEMOCRACY.
 
donquijote1954 wrote:

>> What I said. Psychle Farcilities are a thoroughly bad idea. They are
>> more dangerous, slower and more inconvenient than using the roads. The
>> less we have of them the better. Practice Vehicular Cycling on the road.
>
> Practice riding on the road and buy Life Insurance. Your loved ones
> will appreciate it. ;)
>

Good name choice, Don Quijote. Keep tilting at your windmills.

Tony
 
On Jul 26, 2:23 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Are all the English idiots or just those who post to cycling newsgroups?

I think others are more modest about it. They elected the wrong Prime
Minister but at least they showed regret.
 
On Jul 26, 4:08 pm, Tony Raven <[email protected]> wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
> >> What I said. Psychle Farcilities are a thoroughly bad idea. They are
> >> more dangerous, slower and more inconvenient than using the roads. The
> >> less we have of them the better. Practice Vehicular Cycling on the road.
>
> > Practice riding on the road and buy Life Insurance. Your loved ones
> > will appreciate it. ;)
>
> Good name choice, Don Quijote. Keep tilting at your windmills.
>
> Tony

The windmills are very real...

http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote6
 
donquijote1954 wrote:
>
> "The Bikeway Controversy"
>
> No more controversies please. Just the problem (no bike facilities)
> and the solution (bike lanes, bike paths, right lane is bike lane, or
> just letting the gallon of gas be $10).
>

You have it the wrong way round. The problems are the bike lanes, bike
paths etc. The solution is no bike facilities. But I doubt you will
accept that whatever the evidence.

Tony
 
On Jul 26, 11:45 am, "Amy Blankenship"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:p[email protected]...
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> > "Amy Blankenship" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:D[email protected]...
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> >> I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. For instance, we know that
> >> having railroad tracks at grade with car and pedestrian traffic is less
> >> safe than separating the two. However, often the unsafe situation is
> >> allowed to remain for cost or other reasons (such as people don't want
> >> the disruption of the construction involved). Another example is that
> >> the absolute safest you can keep your child is if you lock him or her
> >> into a bubble made of diamond. There are a lot of reasons why you might
> >> make choices to allow him or her to be less safe than that. Hence
> >> children on bike trails ;-).
>
> > I think it's generally nearly always your fault if you're a car or a
> > pedestrian and you hit a train. If you're that stupid you deserve it.
>
> What if you're just waiting innocently in traffic an someone else gets hit
> by the train and goes flying into you or derails the train on top of you?
> Do you deserve that as well?

In the rare event that that happens no, but it's still not the train's
fault.
 
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> Experienced cyclists are killed all the time because of incredibly stupid
> drivers.

So are experienced drivers, so what is your point?
 
On Jul 26, 11:49 am, "Amy Blankenship"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
> I think if you visit Scandinavian countries, you will find that the issue of
> bike-friendly infrastructure and healthcare are intimately connected in ways
> that are difficult to explain to people who are not open to making such
> connections easily.

Personally I think it's a loony connection. Bike lanes do not exist
because of democracy, not because we aren't democratic. It's purely
asinine.
 
On Jul 26, 3:58 pm, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jul 26, 9:14 am, "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > On Jul 25, 7:03 pm, "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> I saw Cheney mentioned (what he has to do with any of this is beyond me)
> > >> and
> > >> I saw that it said it was better in the 70's. No wonder you anti-car
> > >> people
> > >> are a bunch of marginalized freaks. You're LOONY, and if you weren't you
> > >> could actually convince people to create bike lanes or trails or
> > >> whatever,
> > >> and it would be a good thing. Posting loony article does you no good.
>
> > > America joining the select group of democratic nations could do no
> > > harm --actually it can do a lot of good. Nations the chose that path --
> > > Holland, Germany, Scandinavia-- have both Healthcare for all and bike
> > > lanes.
>
> > You're a kook,why did you throw healthcare into this discussion? You wanted
> > a kooky discussion on health care even though it's got nothing to do with
> > the conversation. A minority of people in the US want bike lanes and most
> > people are happy with their own personal health care. Period.
>
> Are YOU happy with it? Do YOU personally have healthcare insurance?

The US system IS broken, but yes I have health insurance.

> It's like asking about bike lanes to someone who hates bikes. Do YOU
> go to the market by bike?

My bike was in hiatus, I'm working on getting it up and running,
hopefully this weekend. If you want to know how it turns out, email
me.
 
On Jul 26, 4:37 pm, Tony Raven <[email protected]> wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
>
> > "The Bikeway Controversy"
>
> > No more controversies please. Just the problem (no bike facilities)
> > and the solution (bike lanes, bike paths, right lane is bike lane, or
> > just letting the gallon of gas be $10).
>
> You have it the wrong way round. The problems are the bike lanes, bike
> paths etc. The solution is no bike facilities. But I doubt you will
> accept that whatever the evidence.

No bike paths? Ok, then let the whole right lane belong to the bikes
and other smart transportation. Keep the dinosaurs aways from the
smart furry mammals.
 
On Jul 26, 2:31 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>
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> > "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Jul 25, 12:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> Bike paths are the way to go and surely in the future there will be
> >>> thousands and thousands of miles of such paths everywhere. The fact is
> >>> that
> >>> none of us are safe on the roads and highways where we have to share the
> >>> lane with motor vehicles.
>
> >> They won't happen without a revolution. No political will. Our roads
> >> will remain a jungle until the end of times, which is near if we
> >> insist on launching war over precious resources. "Saving" is missing
> >> from the American English Dictionary. There's hope though...
>
> >>http://atom.smasher.org/streetparty/?l1=Coming+Soon:&l2=the&l3=Bana...
>
> >> THE BANANA REVOLUTION
> >>http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40
>
> > Cuckoo, cuckkoo.
>
> Don Quijote is a near genius almost on my level. But all of this is way
> beyond your poor powers of perception.

Sure he is. Uh huh.

> Cuckoo indeed!

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
On Jul 26, 4:56 pm, Wayne Pein <[email protected]> wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
> > So what's your solution? I say let the right lane be the bike lane. No
> > cars there, period. Car hitting bicycle upon making right could have a
> > nice vacation on Guantanamo Base. Orange uniform will fit them nicely.
>
> The outside normal lane *is* the "bike lane." There just happens to be
> cars and other motor vehicles in it. If you don't want them to pass you
> in your lane, use more of it.

No, I don't want to be a sitting duck. Drivers are minding their cell
phones while driving oversized vehicles. Then they hit you and run.

It's a jungle out there...

SUV hits, kills boy riding bike
By Marc Robins, Globe Correspondent | July 25, 2007

A 10-year-old boy was hit and killed by a sport utility vehicle
yesterday while riding his bicycle in Randolph, the Norfolk district
attorney's office reported.

Gerald Starcevic -- a resident of Allen Street, where police said the
boy was hit about 5:20 p.m. -- said he was preparing to leave his
house when he heard the vehicle strike the boy. Starcevic went
outside, where he saw neighbors gather around the boy and then
returned inside to call 911.

Police had not determined the cause of the accident last evening, but
Starcevic said that the boy was riding down Allen Street with a friend
when he was hit. The driver may have been blinded by sunlight, he
said.
 
On Jul 26, 4:02 pm, Tony Raven <[email protected]> wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
>
> > Perhaps you guys have better trained drivers, not engaged on the
> > phone, or driving Supersized Unnecessary Vehicles around. You know, it
> > all adds to the terror...
>
> I've cycled extensively in your country including some very busy roads
> and find your drivers more courteous and less worrying than our drivers
> in the UK. YMMV.

Maybe many individual drivers are good, but reckless driving is the
rule.

Just compare the stats of the UK vs. the USA.
 
On Jul 26, 5:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Zoot Katz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
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>
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> > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:21:46 -0400, "Sancho Panza"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>"Dane Buson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> More people live in cities than in
> >>> rural areas, and the proportion is still shifting towards cities.
>
> >>The last several Censuses demonstrate that you forgot the advent of the
> >>suburbs.
>
> > Worldwide urbanisation is increasing while the rural populations are
> > decreasing.
>
> > Suburbs are usually lumped in with their greater metropolitan areas
> > when looking at urbanisation.
>
> > There is also a move back to the cities as previously depressed areas
> > are gentrified or redeveloped.
>
> > Cities are getting bigger by increasing density and suburbs are
> > spreading until they butt up against the next one. The whole eastern
> > seaboard is comprised of a few metropolitan regions spreading to
> > become one huge strip city from New York to Miami.
>
> Alas, all of the above is only too true
>
> I have been quite impressed lately by the posts of Zoot Katz. Even though
> she is a dyke, she is nonetheless very intelligent and, unlike the rest of
> you, seldom says anything really stupid. I will have to start paying more
> attention to her posts in the future.

Yep, remember all those who support biking are good, car supporters
are real bad people.

Like this: "Two wheel good, four wheel bad."
 
On Jul 26, 9:21 pm, [email protected] (Bill Z.) wrote:
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
> > Experienced cyclists are killed all the time because of incredibly stupid
> > drivers.
>
> So are experienced drivers, so what is your point?

You better have a lot of armor to survive in the jungle. That's why
people buy SUVs. Well, besides their Napoleonic Complex...
 
On Jul 26, 9:26 pm, rotten <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 11:49 am, "Amy Blankenship"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
> > I think if you visit Scandinavian countries, you will find that the issue of
> > bike-friendly infrastructure and healthcare are intimately connected in ways
> > that are difficult to explain to people who are not open to making such
> > connections easily.
>
> Personally I think it's a loony connection. Bike lanes do not exist
> because of democracy, not because we aren't democratic. It's purely
> asinine.

Well, we are democratic in the sense of "the best democracy money can
buy," but bicyles hardly feed the corportations the way SUVs do, you
know.
 
On Jul 26, 9:31 pm, rotten <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 3:58 pm, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 26, 9:14 am, "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > > On Jul 25, 7:03 pm, "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> I saw Cheney mentioned (what he has to do with any of this is beyond me)
> > > >> and
> > > >> I saw that it said it was better in the 70's. No wonder you anti-car
> > > >> people
> > > >> are a bunch of marginalized freaks. You're LOONY, and if you weren't you
> > > >> could actually convince people to create bike lanes or trails or
> > > >> whatever,
> > > >> and it would be a good thing. Posting loony article does you no good.
>
> > > > America joining the select group of democratic nations could do no
> > > > harm --actually it can do a lot of good. Nations the chose that path --
> > > > Holland, Germany, Scandinavia-- have both Healthcare for all and bike
> > > > lanes.
>
> > > You're a kook,why did you throw healthcare into this discussion? You wanted
> > > a kooky discussion on health care even though it's got nothing to do with
> > > the conversation. A minority of people in the US want bike lanes and most
> > > people are happy with their own personal health care. Period.
>
> > Are YOU happy with it? Do YOU personally have healthcare insurance?
>
> The US system IS broken, but yes I have health insurance.
>
> > It's like asking about bike lanes to someone who hates bikes. Do YOU
> > go to the market by bike?
>
> My bike was in hiatus, I'm working on getting it up and running,
> hopefully this weekend. If you want to know how it turns out, email
> me.-

Keep us posted. Tell us if you ride the sidewalk, or mingle with the
sharks.
 
On Jul 26, 9:34 pm, rotten <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2:31 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Joe the Aroma" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>
> > > "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > >> On Jul 25, 12:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >>> Bike paths are the way to go and surely in the future there will be
> > >>> thousands and thousands of miles of such paths everywhere. The fact is
> > >>> that
> > >>> none of us are safe on the roads and highways where we have to share the
> > >>> lane with motor vehicles.
>
> > >> They won't happen without a revolution. No political will. Our roads
> > >> will remain a jungle until the end of times, which is near if we
> > >> insist on launching war over precious resources. "Saving" is missing
> > >> from the American English Dictionary. There's hope though...
>
> > >>http://atom.smasher.org/streetparty/?l1=Coming+Soon:&l2=the&l3=Bana...
>
> > >> THE BANANA REVOLUTION
> > >>http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40
>
> > > Cuckoo, cuckkoo.
>
> > Don Quijote is a near genius almost on my level. But all of this is way
> > beyond your poor powers of perception.
>
> Sure he is. Uh huh.
>
> > Cuckoo indeed!
>
> Couldn't have said it better myself.-

I can say it even better...

"The system that we've got has got a lot of problems. Our goal is to
show what's wrong with the systemin ways that are fun and strange and
entertaining."
- Mike Bonanno of the Yes Men

Yes, I make it strange and entertaining so it appeals to people. Not
to the lions, but to the monkeys. You know what the monkey told the
lion? Read on...


WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

THE BANANA REVOLUTION
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40
 
donquijote1954 <[email protected]> writes:

> On Jul 26, 9:21 pm, [email protected] (Bill Z.) wrote:
> > "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
> > > Experienced cyclists are killed all the time because of incredibly stupid
> > > drivers.
> >
> > So are experienced drivers, so what is your point?
>
> You better have a lot of armor to survive in the jungle. That's why
> people buy SUVs. Well, besides their Napoleonic Complex...

Instead of buying "armor", why don't we simply take away the licenses
of obviously incompetent drivers?

--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB
 
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