Can We Get a Diet Thread Going ??

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Hello,

I've been away from this group for several years until the past couple of months.

The reason you got almost no response to your other post is that the topic was covered in a recent
thread, which I pointed you to, and you don't appear to have followed up on.

Here is the thread, to summarise, a bunch of people chipped in and a good time was had by all.

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In particular, take a look at Lyle's first followup to my post.

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When I was participating in the group about 6-7 years ago, there was no doubt that the recommended
diet was high carb and low fat. Many runners were "carbo loading" the day before a race and in
general the more carbs you could eat the better.

Pre race dieting and general training diet are separate topics.

Performance nutrition and weight loss nutrition are different goals. Just prior to a race, you want
to focus on performance, not weight loss.

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What is the current thought by the "experts" regarding the best diet for losing weight and
running?

Ask them -- they'll each give you a different answer.

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If I wanted to go on the best diet possible to lose weight and get back into running shape, what
would that diet consist of?

Adequate protein, adequate micronutrients (vitamins, calcium, etc), and other stuff.

The other stuff amounts to a compromise between performance nutrition and weight loss nutrition.
Performance nutrition could mean doing things like taking gel packs during a run, or taking carbs a
few hours before speed work. Weight loss nutrition could mean reducing high GI carbs in your
day-to-day eating. The tricky part is to do the "performance nutrition" bit in a way that minimises
adverse impact on the "weight loss nutrition" part. Reserving high GI carbs for "special occasions"
(long training runs, speed work, etc) may be one way to approach this (or it may not)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Losing weight is a simple matter of Physics, calories in versus calories out. If you take in more
calories (be it from fat, carbos, protein or whatever) than your body uses up in a day, you will
gain weight, vice versa, if you use up more calories than you take in, you will lose weight.

Joe

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Hello,

I've been away from this group for several years until the past couple of months. I'm just getting
back into running and for the first time in my

life

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I'm seriously considering dieting to assist in my running program. I'm too heavy and would like to
drop some more weight to ease the effort of

running

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and help with my overall program in general.

When I was participating in the group about 6-7 years ago, there was no doubt that the recommended
diet was high carb and low fat. Many runners

were

Quoted message said:

"carbo loading" the day before a race and in general the more carbs you could eat the better.

I've been studying dieting and it seems that the current thought is that eating too many
carbohydrates is the absolute worst thing you can do to

lose

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weight. The very foods like pasta and potatoes and bread that used to be good for you are now
considered "bad" carbos which have a high glycemic (?sp) index. It seems that these carbos enter
the bloodstream too quickly and cause an insulin reaction which causes the buildup of fat.

I'm not an expert on nutrition but I am trying to learn everything I can

so

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I can make better decisions regarding what to eat in generally but especially while I'm in the
mode of losing weight and getting back into shape.

What is the current thought by the "experts" regarding the best diet for losing weight and
running? If I wanted to go on the best diet possible to lose weight and get back into running
shape, what would that diet consist of?

What is the state-of-the-art concerning current thought regarding diet

when

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it comes to distance running?

I realize there likely isn't a consensus on this but would appreciate your thoughts anyway.

What do you think?

Thanks!!

Doug Gilliam

I too have been away from running and the group for 2 years. I started the journey back to my former
running self back in June. At that time I was 245 lbs. Now, at 192 pounds, I'm running again and it
feels great. I am no diet expert, except for being an expert in knowing what works for
me. The diet I've been using is a 2000 calorie diet composed of 61% carbs, 22% protein, and 17% fat.
I have not paid much attention to the ratios; I've just been concentrating on the 2000
calorie/day limit. The ratios have just fallen in to place. I lean towards the low-fat foods
because it makes more sense on a low calorie diet. I am not going to blow my day's rations on
fatty foods when I can fill up on carbs.

Also, another big factor that has helped me to track my diet and stay motivated is a program called
DietPower from dietpower.comdietpower.comOpen ↗. This is an easy way for me to set my goals, track
everything that I eat, and figure in my calorie expenditure. You can configure it for your own
needs, whether they are high carb, low carb, or Atkins.

No matter what form of food you eat, the bottom line is going to be that in order to lose weight,
calories in has to be less than calories out.

-Phil

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Hello,

I've been away from this group for several years until the past couple of months. I'm just getting
back into running and for the first time in my life I'm seriously considering dieting to assist in
my running program. I'm too heavy and would like to drop some more weight to ease the effort of
running and help with my overall program in general.

When I was participating in the group about 6-7 years ago, there was no doubt that the recommended
diet was high carb and low fat. Many runners were "carbo loading" the day before a race and in
general the more carbs you could eat the better.

I've been studying dieting and it seems that the current thought is that eating too many
carbohydrates is the absolute worst thing you can do to lose weight. The very foods like pasta and
potatoes and bread that used to be good for you are now considered "bad" carbos which have a high
glycemic (?sp) index. It seems that these carbos enter the bloodstream too quickly and cause an
insulin reaction which causes the buildup of fat.

I'm not an expert on nutrition but I am trying to learn everything I can so I can make better
decisions regarding what to eat in generally but especially while I'm in the mode of losing weight
and getting back into shape.

What is the current thought by the "experts" regarding the best diet for losing weight and
running? If I wanted to go on the best diet possible to lose weight and get back into running
shape, what would that diet consist of?

What is the state-of-the-art concerning current thought regarding diet when it comes to distance
running?

I realize there likely isn't a consensus on this but would appreciate your thoughts anyway.

What do you think?

Thanks!!

Doug Gilliam

Forget the fly by night, flavor of the month, diets. Go with the diet that I use to stay fit. It's
called "The Fudge & Whiskey Diet". The 2 most common side effects to this diet are diabetes, and
violent mood swings.......but other than that, it's a great regimen.

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Go with the diet that I use to stay fit. It's called "The Fudge & Whiskey Diet".

This one works a lot better without the fudge.

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The tricky part is to do the "performance nutrition" bit in a way that minimises adverse impact on
the "weight loss nutrition" part. Reserving high GI carbs for "special occasions" (long training
runs, speed work, etc) may be one way to approach this (or it may not)

That's how I approach it. Works OK.

--
Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

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Losing weight is a simple matter of Physics, calories in versus calories out. If you take in more
calories (be it from fat, carbos, protein or whatever) than your body uses up in a day, you will
gain weight, vice

versa,

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if you use up more calories than you take in, you will lose weight.

Not quite as simple as that, Joe. Yes, if you take more cals in than you use you'll gain weight. But
if you take less, just how much weight you succeed in losing will depend on the kind of food you
eat. High glyc carbs will lose you less; almonds and protein (pace Atkins), for example, will lose
you more. Jonathan

Sitting on your (not you but in general) fat ass and not burning more calories than you eat will
make you fat, Why is it always fat people telling thin runners how bad carbs are?

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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I've been away from this group for several years until the past couple of months. I'm just getting
back into running and for the first time in my

life

Quoted message said:

I'm seriously considering dieting to assist in my running program. I'm too heavy and would like to
drop some more weight to ease the effort of

running

Quoted message said:

and help with my overall program in general.

When I was participating in the group about 6-7 years ago, there was no doubt that the recommended
diet was high carb and low fat. Many runners

were

Quoted message said:

"carbo loading" the day before a race and in general the more carbs you could eat the better.

I've been studying dieting and it seems that the current thought is that eating too many
carbohydrates is the absolute worst thing you can do to

lose

Quoted message said:

weight. The very foods like pasta and potatoes and bread that used to be good for you are now
considered "bad" carbos which have a high glycemic (?sp) index. It seems that these carbos enter
the bloodstream too quickly and cause an insulin reaction which causes the buildup of fat.

I'm not an expert on nutrition but I am trying to learn everything I can

so

Quoted message said:

I can make better decisions regarding what to eat in generally but especially while I'm in the
mode of losing weight and getting back into shape.

What is the current thought by the "experts" regarding the best diet for losing weight and
running? If I wanted to go on the best diet possible to lose weight and get back into running
shape, what would that diet consist of?

What is the state-of-the-art concerning current thought regarding diet

when

Quoted message said:

it comes to distance running?

I realize there likely isn't a consensus on this but would appreciate your thoughts anyway.

What do you think?

Thanks!!

Doug Gilliam

Jonathan Sydenham said:

Not quite as simple as that, Joe. Yes, if you take more cals in than you use you'll gain weight.

Agree.

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But if you take less, just how much weight you succeed in losing will depend on the kind of food
you eat. High glyc carbs will lose you less; almonds and protein (pace Atkins), for example, will
lose you more.

Sears in his 40/30/30 regimen brought GI( glycemic index) into popularity. For those with very
sensitive systems this explained some peoples eating/weight problems. While some people can survive
on only 40% in carbs the running body finds this insufficient.

Adkins, the greedy SOB, took this notion of GI and GL( gly load) as if everyone is an over sensitive
insulin machine and GI/L is the latest HIV. I think I would let my kids stay at Jacko's house before
I buy his theory. In studies with blinds etc. and not 14 700 hundred pound obese menopausal
aardvarks, it falls apart.

Granted you will lose weight on Sears, Adkins, etc. cuz you input less calories regardless of carb,
protein, fat. When you look at who stay on these alleged diets past six months to a year, hardly
any. Enter the yo-yo effect. As for the health issues with Adkins it is a not a pretty sight. And
the rhythm method will help you control the number of children you will have.

The best notion these two "diets" bring to light is stay the hell away from simple carbs. Now that's
a novel idea, cookies, candy, soda's are empty.

In my not so humble opinion, eat a balanced diet, sans the bad fat and cheap carbs, a little less in
total numbers and you'll lose weight slowly and settle into "YOUR" weight.

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

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The tricky part is to do the "performance nutrition" bit in a way that minimises adverse impact on
the "weight loss nutrition" part. Reserving high GI carbs for "special occasions" (long training
runs, speed work, etc) may be one way to approach this (or it may not)

That's how I approach it. Works OK.

--
Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

"Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Losing weight is a simple matter of Physics, calories in versus calories out. If you take in more
calories (be it from fat, carbos, protein or whatever) than your body uses up in a day, you will
gain weight, vice

versa,

Quoted message said:

if you use up more calories than you take in, you will lose weight.

Not quite as simple as that, Joe. Yes, if you take more cals in than you use you'll gain weight. But
if you take less, just how much weight you succeed in losing will depend on the kind of food you
eat. High glyc carbs will lose you less; almonds and protein (pace Atkins), for example, will lose
you more. Jonathan

Jonathan Sydenham said:

Not quite as simple as that, Joe. Yes, if you take more cals in than you use you'll gain weight.

Agree.

Quoted message said:

But if you take less, just how much weight you succeed in losing will depend on the kind of food
you eat. High glyc carbs will lose you less; almonds and protein (pace Atkins), for example, will
lose you more.

Sears in his 40/30/30 regimen brought GI( glycemic index) into popularity. For those with very
sensitive systems this explained some peoples eating/weight problems. While some people can survive
on only 40% in carbs the running body finds this insufficient.

Adkins, the greedy SOB, took this notion of GI and GL( gly load) as if everyone is an over sensitive
insulin machine and GI/L is the latest HIV. I think I would let my kids stay at Jacko's house before
I buy his theory. In studies with blinds etc. and not 14 700 hundred pound obese menopausal
aardvarks, it falls apart.

Granted you will lose weight on Sears, Adkins, etc. cuz you input less calories regardless of carb,
protein, fat. When you look at who stay on these alleged diets past six months to a year, hardly
any. Enter the yo-yo effect. As for the health issues with Adkins it is a not a pretty sight. And
the rhythm method will help you control the number of children you will have.

The best notion these two "diets" bring to light is stay the hell away from simple carbs. Now that's
a novel idea, cookies, candy, soda's are empty.

In my not so humble opinion, eat a balanced diet, sans the bad fat and cheap carbs, a little less in
total numbers and you'll lose weight slowly and settle into "YOUR" weight.

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]