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  1. I've been using Mortons Low-Salt, which is a combination of sodium and potassium chloride. I dont
    have high-blood pressure, I decided to use it because I like my food really salty and felt I was
    consuming too much sodium.

    However, I've done a little research on potassium chloride and it appears its not exactly harmless.
    I've been experiencing some strange sensations in the heart area, plus a feeling sometimes of
    irregular heartbeat/heart beating too fast or hard.

    It could all be a coincidence, or just my imagination. But I do eat ALOT of the sodium/potassium
    chloride combo. ALOT.

    Can dietary potassium chloride cause bad symptoms?

  2. "artvandelay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've been using Mortons Low-Salt, which is a combination of sodium and potassium chloride. I dont
    have high-blood pressure, I decided to use it because I like my food really salty and felt I was
    consuming too much sodium.

    However, I've done a little research on potassium chloride and it appears its not exactly
    harmless. I've been experiencing some strange sensations in the heart area, plus a feeling
    sometimes of irregular heartbeat/heart beating too fast or hard.

    It could all be a coincidence, or just my imagination. But I do eat ALOT of the sodium/potassium
    chloride combo. ALOT.

    Can dietary potassium chloride cause bad symptoms?

    Not familiar with Mortons Low-Salt but potassium supplementation can be dangerous in a number of
    circumstances. If you're taking an ace inhibitor, for instance. Jan

  3. artvandelay said:

    However, I've done a little research on potassium chloride and it appears its not exactly
    harmless. I've been experiencing some strange sensations in the heart area, plus a feeling
    sometimes of irregular heartbeat/heart beating too fast or hard.

    That happened to me, too. And it stopped when I quit using the salt substitute.

  4. Quoted message said:

    However, I've done a little research on potassium chloride and it appears its not exactly
    harmless. I've been experiencing some strange sensations in the heart area, plus a feeling
    sometimes of irregular heartbeat/heart beating too fast or hard.

    It could all be a coincidence, or just my imagination. But I do eat ALOT of the sodium/potassium
    chloride combo. ALOT.

    Well I don't want to worry you or anything but that's the stuff used in certain states of the US
    (mainly Texas, IIRC) as the weapon of choice in state-sponsored murders by lethal injection. It
    stops the heart.

    Bon apetit!

  5. KCL is what they use for lethal injection. You'd have to check this, but I think 25 grams could be a
    lethal dose. That's a little less than an ounce.

    [email hidden] (artvandelay) wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've been using Mortons Low-Salt, which is a combination of sodium and potassium chloride. I dont
    have high-blood pressure, I decided to use it because I like my food really salty and felt I was
    consuming too much sodium.

    However, I've done a little research on potassium chloride and it appears its not exactly
    harmless. I've been experiencing some strange sensations in the heart area, plus a feeling
    sometimes of irregular heartbeat/heart beating too fast or hard.

    It could all be a coincidence, or just my imagination. But I do eat ALOT of the sodium/potassium
    chloride combo. ALOT.

    Can dietary potassium chloride cause bad symptoms?

  6. Sim Huxley declared:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    However, I've done a little research on potassium chloride and it appears its not exactly
    harmless. I've been experiencing some strange sensations in the heart area, plus a feeling
    sometimes of irregular heartbeat/heart beating too fast or hard.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It could all be a coincidence, or just my imagination. But I do eat ALOT of the sodium/potassium
    chloride combo. ALOT.

    Quoted message said:

    Well I don't want to worry you or anything but that's the stuff used in certain states of the US
    (mainly Texas, IIRC) as the weapon of choice in state-sponsored murders by lethal injection. It
    stops the heart.

    Quoted message said:

    Bon apetit!

    ...."Lethal injections typically consist of three drugs: a short-acting barbiturate sodium
    thiopental, pancuronium bromide and potassium chloride to stop the heart. Sodium thiopental can wear
    off in minutes, while the pancuronium bromide paralyzes the victim and potassium chloride causes
    extreme pain"....

    cbsnews.commain576918.shtml
    --
    You can't have it all - Where would you put it ?

  7. (Brad Sheppard) said:

    KCL is what they use for lethal injection. You'd have to check this, but I think 25 grams could be
    a lethal dose. That's a little less than an ounce.

    Does it make a difference whether or not it's directly injected or absorbed through the gut?

    --
    Ron Ritzman panix.com~ritzlart Smart people can figure out my email address

  8. Once upon a time, our fellow Sim Huxley rambled on about "Re: Can Salt-Substitutes be dangerous?."
    Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    I don't use salt! So, why would I use a Salt-Substitute?

    You people have got to stop being so silly. 🙁

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

  9. (Brad Sheppard) said:

    KCL is what they use for lethal injection. You'd have to check this, but I think 25 grams could be
    a lethal dose. That's a little less than an ounce.

    also 25 g NaCl is almost a lethal dose in most cases. and NaCl is more used for murdering than KCl.
    Several murderers has killed the spouse by giving NaCl in everything they eat and drink, especially
    the last. But it is very difficult for police to trace. But forensic may detect increased levels of
    Na+, and thus find the reason for death.

  10. artvandelay said:

    I've been using Mortons Low-Salt, which is a combination of sodium and potassium chloride. I dont
    have high-blood pressure, I decided to use it because I like my food really salty and felt I was
    consuming too much sodium.

    So you preferred to consume too much potassium instead? Out of the frying pan, into the fire!

    Quoted message said:

    However, I've done a little research on potassium chloride and it appears its not exactly
    harmless.

    Potassium and sodium are both extremely critical to many body functions, and their concentrations
    must be held to within very narrow limits in body tissues. The human body is good at this,
    fortunately, but consuming too much or too little of either metal can be harmful, or fatal, even in
    healthy individuals.

    Quoted message said:

    I've been experiencing some strange sensations in the heart area, plus a feeling sometimes of
    irregular heartbeat/heart beating too fast or hard.

    Stop pouring salt all over your food, and see if it goes away.

    Quoted message said:

    It could all be a coincidence, or just my imagination. But I do eat ALOT of the sodium/potassium
    chloride combo. ALOT.

    Eat less. It's preferable to dying young ... isn't it?

    Quoted message said:

    Can dietary potassium chloride cause bad symptoms?

    Yes. In fact, a few tablespoons of table salt (low-sodium or not) taken all at once can be fatal
    to an adult.

    --
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  11. Sim Huxley said:

    Well I don't want to worry you or anything but that's the stuff used in certain states of the US
    (mainly Texas, IIRC) as the weapon of choice in state-sponsored murders by lethal injection. It
    stops the heart.

    Mainly because it is a massive intravenous dose. Not quite the same as spreading it on food,
    although a massive oral dose will kill, also.

    --
    Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

  12. Brad Sheppard said:

    KCL is what they use for lethal injection. You'd have to check this, but I think 25 grams could be
    a lethal dose. That's a little less than an ounce.

    That sounds about right. However, sodium salt is just about as deadly in similarly large amounts.
    It's a really bad idea to consume a tablespoon or more of salt at once. As a matter of fact, it's
    usually a bad idea to add salt to food at the table to begin with. Most food already contains more
    than enough sodium and potassium salts.

    --
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  13. Ron Ritzman said:

    Does it make a difference whether or not it's directly injected or absorbed through the gut?

    Only to the extent that it affects the speed with which it enters the body. The difference is small
    because salt is easily absorbed. Once it is in the bloodstream, the effects are the same whether it
    was injected or eaten.

    It's not a good idea to consume large amounts of salt. The only reason why human beings can get away
    with pouring salt onto their food is that their bodies already contain a great deal of salt, so
    changing the overall concentration requires a fair dose of the stuff. The dose required for
    potassium salts is lower because there is less of it in the body.

    --
    Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

  14. Bigjon said:

    pancuronium bromide paralyzes the victim and potassium chloride causes extreme pain"....

    agree heartily about the pain. One morning the potassium intravenous was running a little bit too
    fast for a minute or so. Terrible. Real terrible, but I was able to stop the flow myself, so it
    didn't kill
    me.But it felt like that :-) Sure they set down the rate of flow, oh yes.But it was tiresome. 4
    hours pr bottle :-(

  15. Ron Ritzman said:

    Does it make a difference whether or not it's directly injected or absorbed through the gut?

    Yes, rates will be much lower when absorbed through gut :-) Just like alcohol. It is difficult to
    drink alcohol that fast that it kill you. Injected intravenously it is very difficult not to kill
    you because the solution then must be very diluted. That's why they stopped using intravenously
    feeding of alcohol as an antidote of methyl alcohol intoxication. Too easy to kill the victim with
    the alcohol. You need a steady state concentration of 0.5 promille in order to keep methyl alcohol
    away from degradation into formic acid.

  16. On 19 Oct 2003 15:20:27 -0700, [email hidden] (Sim Huxley) posted:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    However, I've done a little research on potassium chloride and it appears its not exactly
    harmless. I've been experiencing some strange sensations in the heart area, plus a feeling
    sometimes of irregular heartbeat/heart beating too fast or hard.

    It could all be a coincidence, or just my imagination. But I do eat ALOT of the sodium/potassium
    chloride combo. ALOT.

    Well I don't want to worry you or anything but that's the stuff used in certain states of the US
    (mainly Texas, IIRC) as the weapon of choice in state-sponsored murders by lethal injection. It
    stops the heart.

    Bon apetit!

    Of course it is also plentiful in plant foods. The dose is the poison, and of course the route of
    administration. Breathe air, fine. Inject air, perhaps death.

  17. In article said:

    On 19 Oct 2003 15:20:27 -0700, [email hidden] (Sim Huxley) posted:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    However, I've done a little research on potassium chloride and it appears its not exactly
    harmless. I've been experiencing some strange sensations in the heart area, plus a feeling
    sometimes of irregular heartbeat/heart beating too fast or hard.

    It could all be a coincidence, or just my imagination. But I do eat ALOT of the
    sodium/potassium chloride combo. ALOT.

    Well I don't want to worry you or anything but that's the stuff used in certain states of the US
    (mainly Texas, IIRC) as the weapon of choice in state-sponsored murders by lethal injection. It
    stops the heart.

    Bon apetit!

    Of course it is also plentiful in plant foods. The dose is the poison, and of course the route of
    administration.

    And the state of the person who is ingesting it. Salt substitutes, International Coffees and most
    raw vegetables should be avoided by those with kidney disease.

    --
    "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
    - Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

  18. REP said:

    ... International Coffees and most raw vegetables should be avoided by those with kidney disease.

    Why International Coffees and raw vegetables?

    --
    Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

  19. Ron Ritzman <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    (Brad Sheppard) said:

    KCL is what they use for lethal injection. You'd have to check this, but I think 25 grams could
    be a lethal dose. That's a little less than an ounce.

    Does it make a difference whether or not it's directly injected or absorbed through the gut?

    Does it make a difference whether something is eaten or directly injected? we breathe air but
    injecting air into a vein can kill you.

    i believe injesting too much potassium chloride is something that a person with kidney problems
    shouldn't do Dolores

  20. Yes, it makes a difference. Lethal dose (injection) .1 grams/ kilogram - ingestion .5 grams to 3
    grams/kilogram. 7 grams (21 of solution (31%) injected will kill a 70 kg person. People with kidney
    problems will have a smaller lethal dose.

    [email hidden] (dolores) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Ron Ritzman <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (Brad Sheppard) said:

    KCL is what they use for lethal injection. You'd have to check this, but I think 25 grams could
    be a lethal dose. That's a little less than an ounce.

    Does it make a difference whether or not it's directly injected or absorbed through the gut?

    Does it make a difference whether something is eaten or directly injected? we breathe air but
    injecting air into a vein can kill you.

    i believe injesting too much potassium chloride is something that a person with kidney problems
    shouldn't do Dolores

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