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  1. x-no-archive: yes

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    Is it not an option to stop taking the anti-depressant at the present
    time nor in the immediate future. (I won't bore you with the details -
    suffice to say that I have been, on numerous occasions, down the
    natural therapy route with horrid consequences.)

    Can I do it? Has anyone here been able to do it?

    (please say yes, please say yes!)

    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    Is it not an option to stop taking the anti-depressant at the present
    time nor in the immediate future. (I won't bore you with the details -
    suffice to say that I have been, on numerous occasions, down the
    natural therapy route with horrid consequences.)

    Can I do it? Has anyone here been able to do it?

    (please say yes, please say yes!)

    Anti-depressants can be so tricky. Tricyclics, in particular, can make
    dieting or even just "normal" eating tricky because they tend to give
    STRONG cravings for sweets. At least that was MY experience (with
    Elavil/amitriptaline). I swear, I was eating 6 candy bars a day (often
    all at once) on that stuff (plus having all kinds of other side effects
    such as exremely vivid dreams and minor OCD -- nasty stuff)! When I was
    switched to an SSRI (Zoloft), that stopped. In fact, one of the listed
    side-effects of Zoloft was anorexia -- I didn't have that, but the
    abnormal cravings stopped. Some people have cravings with SSRIs, too,
    but I'm betting they aren't NEARLY as bad a with tri-cyclics.
    Tricyclics will make you sleepy, which also tends to lessen willpower;
    SSRIs tend to make you more alert.

    That said, I don't know that weight gain or even inability to lose for
    no particular reason is necessarily a side-effect of tricyclics. It
    MIGHT be, but if you can control your appetite in spite of it
    (especially since you will be armed with the knowledge that it IS the
    medication that is prompting the urges), you'll probably be okay. At
    worst, as long as you stick to low-carb, you will probably not GAIN
    during this time, which can be an accomplishment in and of itself. I
    totally get that NOT taking an antidepressant is not an option.

    --
    Saffire
    205/127/125
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

    *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
    in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

  3. x-no-archive: yes

    It is possible to lose weight on Atkins while taking meds that cause weight
    gain.

    "yuluwirri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    Is it not an option to stop taking the anti-depressant at the present
    time nor in the immediate future. (I won't bore you with the details -
    suffice to say that I have been, on numerous occasions, down the
    natural therapy route with horrid consequences.)

    Can I do it? Has anyone here been able to do it?

    (please say yes, please say yes!)

    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]

  4. What you can do, is to solve your problems once and for all.

    Just do it.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "yuluwirri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    Is it not an option to stop taking the anti-depressant at the present
    time nor in the immediate future. (I won't bore you with the details -
    suffice to say that I have been, on numerous occasions, down the
    natural therapy route with horrid consequences.)

    Can I do it? Has anyone here been able to do it?

    (please say yes, please say yes!)

    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quiet Neighbor said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    It is possible to lose weight on Atkins while taking meds that cause weight
    gain.

    Possible, but difficult. ;-)
    The very first diet program that I ever went on several years ago
    (unfortinately it was high carb, low fat which was probably what started
    my insulin resistance cycle) prescribed Prozac. I still lost 70 lbs. but
    gained it back later due to the diet I'm sure. <sigh>

    See if your doc would consider switching you to Prozac.

    Cheers!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  6. "yuluwirri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    snip

    First, congratulations on recognizing that tricyclics can be a factor in
    weight loss. And good luck.

    I think it's possible to lose weight, but I'm not sure about getting back to
    "normal" weight. I take amitriptyline and have been able to lose, but that
    last 10 pounds or so is really tough. I need to watch calories pretty
    closely. I have a physical condition which limits my ability to exercise.

    The information I've read on tricyclics indicates that for some, the weight
    issue is due to increased appetite, which can be accounted for, but in some
    cases there seems to be an actual effect on metabolizing some foods, which
    is a bit harder to deal with.

    So I think it is possible to manage weight on tricyclics, keeping in mind
    the (hopefully minor) obstacles they can present.

    Owen

  7. x-no-archive: yes

    Saffire said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    Is it not an option to stop taking the anti-depressant at the present
    time nor in the immediate future. (I won't bore you with the details -
    suffice to say that I have been, on numerous occasions, down the
    natural therapy route with horrid consequences.)

    Can I do it? Has anyone here been able to do it?

    (please say yes, please say yes!)

    Hi Saffire 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Anti-depressants can be so tricky. Tricyclics, in particular, can make
    dieting or even just "normal" eating tricky because they tend to give
    STRONG cravings for sweets. At least that was MY experience (with
    Elavil/amitriptaline). I swear, I was eating 6 candy bars a day (often
    all at once) on that stuff (plus having all kinds of other side effects
    such as exremely vivid dreams and minor OCD -- nasty stuff)! When I was
    switched to an SSRI (Zoloft), that stopped. In fact, one of the listed
    side-effects of Zoloft was anorexia -- I didn't have that, but the
    abnormal cravings stopped. Some people have cravings with SSRIs, too,
    but I'm betting they aren't NEARLY as bad a with tri-cyclics.
    Tricyclics will make you sleepy, which also tends to lessen willpower;
    SSRIs tend to make you more alert.

    Yes indeed I have been on many and various medications and have
    experienced all that you mentioned above. Actually, I am finding that
    I don't have much of an appetite at the moment, and although the
    withdrawal from sugar was hell for the first 4 days on Atkins, after
    that it wasn't too bad. It's the emotional eating that generally trips
    me up.

    Quoted message said:

    That said, I don't know that weight gain or even inability to lose for
    no particular reason is necessarily a side-effect of tricyclics.

    It has more to do with how we metabolise the food we eat. I have read
    some reports that site that your metabolism slows down by approx 15%
    on some of the tricyclics. Some people do become very hungry and crave
    sugar, I don't necessarily, but I have this thing with ice-cream for
    some reason or another.

    It

    Quoted message said:

    MIGHT be, but if you can control your appetite in spite of it
    (especially since you will be armed with the knowledge that it IS the
    medication that is prompting the urges), you'll probably be okay. At
    worst, as long as you stick to low-carb, you will probably not GAIN
    during this time, which can be an accomplishment in and of itself. I
    totally get that NOT taking an antidepressant is not an option.

    Hey thanks for that. I really do appreciate it. Actually, after
    reading some of the replies to this thread, I feel some hope springing
    up inside. I am really going to make a go of it. I hope that I can
    lose some weight into the bargain. Thanks for your reply and well done
    on your weight loss!
    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]

  8. x-no-archive: yes

    Quiet Neighbor said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    It is possible to lose weight on Atkins while taking meds that cause weight
    gain.

    Yay! Thanks. That's all I needed to hear. 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    "yuluwirri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    Is it not an option to stop taking the anti-depressant at the present
    time nor in the immediate future. (I won't bore you with the details -
    suffice to say that I have been, on numerous occasions, down the
    natural therapy route with horrid consequences.)

    Can I do it? Has anyone here been able to do it?

    (please say yes, please say yes!)

    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]


    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]

  9. x-no-archive: yes

    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quiet Neighbor said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    It is possible to lose weight on Atkins while taking meds that cause weight
    gain.

    Possible, but difficult. ;-)

    Yep. I thought it might be a little difficult.

    Quoted message said:

    The very first diet program that I ever went on several years ago
    (unfortinately it was high carb, low fat which was probably what started
    my insulin resistance cycle) prescribed Prozac. I still lost 70 lbs. but
    gained it back later due to the diet I'm sure. <sigh>

    See if your doc would consider switching you to Prozac.

    BTDT lol! Most of the others too.

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers!

    You betcha. I am feeling inspired. 🙂
    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]

  10. x-no-archive: yes

    Owen said:


    "yuluwirri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    snip

    Hi Owen,

    Quoted message said:

    First, congratulations on recognizing that tricyclics can be a factor in
    weight loss. And good luck.

    Thanks. 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    I think it's possible to lose weight, but I'm not sure about getting back to
    "normal" weight. I take amitriptyline and have been able to lose, but that
    last 10 pounds or so is really tough. I need to watch calories pretty
    closely. I have a physical condition which limits my ability to exercise.

    Me too. I can only do say, 15 minutes of moderate walking per day at
    the most. And sometimes even this is not possible. I am really
    relieved to hear that it is possible to lose weight though, and if I
    got down to the last 10 pounds I would be well pleased.

    Quoted message said:

    The information I've read on tricyclics indicates that for some, the weight
    issue is due to increased appetite, which can be accounted for, but in some
    cases there seems to be an actual effect on metabolizing some foods, which
    is a bit harder to deal with.

    Yes. This is the case with me. I do not have much of an appetite at
    the moment. I need to force myself to eat 2 meals a day. When I start
    Atkins, I know I will need to try for 3 or perhaps 5 small meals.
    Maybe the 5 small meals would be better to try to kick start the
    metabolism again.

    Quoted message said:

    So I think it is possible to manage weight on tricyclics, keeping in mind
    the (hopefully minor) obstacles they can present.

    Thank you so much Owen. I really appreciate you taking the time to
    reply to me. When we have a little hope, sometimes that is all we
    need. I start Monday.

    Quoted message said:

    Owen

    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]

  11. It is possible that the drug you are on is raising your insulin
    resistance and insulin level. If this is true it may be difficult or
    impossible to lose weight on any diet, even low carb. After many years
    of successful low carbing, I got to where I was unable to lose any
    weight doing anything, but testing showed very high insulin and I was
    able to start taking a drug, Metformin, that counteracted the insulin
    resistance and brought my weight back down where it should be.

    You might ask your doctor for a fasting C-peptide test to see if your
    insulin is high. If it is, metformin is appropriate. It has been shown
    to stave off the development of diabetes in people with slightly
    abnormal blood sugars.

    --Jenny

    http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/ Type 2 Diabetes info
    http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Low Carb info

  12. On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, yuluwirri wrote:

    ;x-no-archive: yes
    ;
    ;On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:53:00 -0700, "Owen"
    ;<[email hidden]> wrote:
    ;
    ;>I think it's possible to lose weight, but I'm not sure about getting back to
    ;>"normal" weight. I take amitriptyline and have been able to lose, but that
    ;>last 10 pounds or so is really tough. I need to watch calories pretty
    ;>closely. I have a physical condition which limits my ability to exercise.
    ;
    ;Me too. I can only do say, 15 minutes of moderate walking per day at
    ;the most. And sometimes even this is not possible. I am really
    ;relieved to hear that it is possible to lose weight though, and if I
    ;got down to the last 10 pounds I would be well pleased.

    Just as a sidenote, the last 10 (or sometimes 20) lbs are hard for many
    people, drug complications or not, so the fact that Owen has made it there
    puts him solidly in the ranks of "normal" dieters despite the added
    chemical challenges.

    ;
    ;>The information I've read on tricyclics indicates that for some, the weight
    ;>issue is due to increased appetite, which can be accounted for, but in some
    ;>cases there seems to be an actual effect on metabolizing some foods, which
    ;>is a bit harder to deal with.
    ;
    ;Yes. This is the case with me. I do not have much of an appetite at
    ;the moment. I need to force myself to eat 2 meals a day. When I start
    ;Atkins, I know I will need to try for 3 or perhaps 5 small meals.
    ;Maybe the 5 small meals would be better to try to kick start the
    ;metabolism again.

    You don't say what your physical limitations are (no reason why you
    should, I'm just explaining why I'm making a suggestion that may or may
    not be helpful), but if it's possible to do some bursts of exercise that
    really get your heart rate going for a minute or so, that may help to
    upregulate your metabolism. Even if running isn't an option, you may be
    able to do something on an exercise bike or perhaps in the pool if you
    have access to one. If you can do some weight training (doesn't have
    to be flinging iron around if that's not your thing, body weight can
    provide a real workout without any added resistance) that can keep your
    metabolism firing.

    Also, if your exercise limitations are the result of your depression,
    rather than physical limitations, you might find that there are ways to
    trick yourself into doing more than you originally think you can. I
    exercise most days these days, but, except on days when I work w/ a
    trainer, I have to prod myself every step of the way. First I have make
    myself put on workout clothes and shout over all the whiny voices giving
    reasons why I don't have to workout *today*. Then, I spend the first 15
    minutes of any cardio workout fighting inertia - my knees hurt, I'm still
    sore from my last workout, I didn't sleep well last night - faugh!

    I have two strategies that help to get past that. The first is that I make
    a rule for myself that I have to keep going for at least 20 minutes
    (that's usually the breakthrough point for me, ymmv). Even if I have to
    leave the treadmill (or equivalent) on .5 mile an hour, I'm damn' well
    going to make it through that long. The second is that once I'm a little
    warmed up, I increase the intensity enough to get the blood moving. I use
    the playlist on my mp3 player so that I get going when a faster, more
    upbeat song comes on, but you could use anything that motivates you to
    really kick it up for a minute or two. After I do that, I usually find
    that I'm not as tired and sore as I thought I was. By the time I'm at the
    end of the 20 minutes, I feel like I can probably go for a half hour and
    then . . . before you know it I've put in an hour at a respectable pace.
    The funny thing is that I'm actually fairly fit - I can easily do ~6mph
    for an hour (that's an average, I find steady state really boring), which
    isn't going to win me any races, but it burns a few calories. But, I've
    still got to fight through that first 15 minutes or so.

    ;
    ;>So I think it is possible to manage weight on tricyclics, keeping in mind
    ;>the (hopefully minor) obstacles they can present.
    ;
    ;Thank you so much Owen. I really appreciate you taking the time to
    ;reply to me. When we have a little hope, sometimes that is all we
    ;need. I start Monday.
    ;

    Good luck to you. The first 2 weeks are the hardest, but if you persist I
    think you'll find that a low carb WOE has benefits you didn't even expect.

    Martha

    ;

    --

  13. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:
    Quiet Neighbor said:

    It is possible to lose weight on Atkins while taking meds that cause weight
    gain.

    Possible, but difficult. ;-)

    Sure, but if the med causes gain off-plan, it probably effects
    all plan types the same. It's not like switching to low fat
    will magically stop having the med cause weight gain.

    At least Atkins does trigger hunger after Induction, so doing
    enough calorie cutting to overcome the meds should cause less
    hunger than other plan types. In other words, Atkins should
    still be less difficult than other plan types for most/many
    people. Some easier is still better than some harder ...

  14. yuluwirri said:


    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    Now wait a minute. What does "limited results" actually
    mean? It means you lost weight, right? Or at least
    stopped any gain? In other words you were successfull
    in actual fact.

    Why did you stop? Stopping because you were successfull
    doesn't make the slightest sense. Guess what happens to
    folks who quit in the face of success? Yup, regain.

    Think it over a bit. If you lose heart because you succeed,
    what does that say for your long term odds? Self
    examination time. You need to find it within yourself to
    not quit in the face of success before you'll ever be able
    to face maintenance, and maintenance is the most important
    phase there is. What happens in maintenance trumps
    everything in the earlier phases.

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    yuluwirri said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quiet Neighbor said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    It is possible to lose weight on Atkins while taking meds that cause weight
    gain.

    Possible, but difficult. ;-)

    Yep. I thought it might be a little difficult.

    Quoted message said:

    The very first diet program that I ever went on several years ago
    (unfortinately it was high carb, low fat which was probably what started
    my insulin resistance cycle) prescribed Prozac. I still lost 70 lbs. but
    gained it back later due to the diet I'm sure. <sigh>

    See if your doc would consider switching you to Prozac.

    BTDT lol! Most of the others too.

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers!

    You betcha. I am feeling inspired. 🙂

    If you are determined, you will succeed!
    Just do LOTS of cardio exercise.

    Makes ya feel good anyway.

    Stay here and in touch too!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  16. yes, you can lose weight on tricyclics/MAO's.

    --

    MILWAUKEE from the water!
    http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcp03662ui.jpg

    "yuluwirri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    Is it not an option to stop taking the anti-depressant at the present
    time nor in the immediate future. (I won't bore you with the details -
    suffice to say that I have been, on numerous occasions, down the
    natural therapy route with horrid consequences.)

    Can I do it? Has anyone here been able to do it?

    (please say yes, please say yes!)

    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]

  17. x-no-archive: yes

    Thanks everyone for your replies. Day two and doing well. 🙂

    On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:34:42 GMT, yuluwirri <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I had wonderful success with Atkins last year, however this year I
    needed to change my antidepressant and now I am on doxepin, an old
    tricyclic that is known for it's weight gain.

    I started Atkins again, with limited results, however being fair, I
    lost heart and did not stick with it for that long.

    All I want to know is, is it possible to regain a normal weight if I
    stick to Atkins, whilst I am still taking doxepin?

    Is it not an option to stop taking the anti-depressant at the present
    time nor in the immediate future. (I won't bore you with the details -
    suffice to say that I have been, on numerous occasions, down the
    natural therapy route with horrid consequences.)

    Can I do it? Has anyone here been able to do it?

    (please say yes, please say yes!)

    --
    yuluwirri
    ~~~~~~~
    Fish know.
    ~~~~~~~

    [email hidden]

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