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  1. Original post
    Patrick W.
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    Can someone shed some light on the incompatibility issue between "new" Campy
    Ergo shifters and older derailleurs? I have a 9-speed Chorus derailleur
    that's no older than 2000, but I'm not exactly sure of which model year.
    It's right on the cusp of the alleged changes, that's for sure.

    I want to upgrade from downtube index shifters to Ergo, but I'm not sure how
    to go about figuring out what will work. I seem to recall also some rumors
    that the issues are just imaginary/marketing, aimed at getting people like
    me to throw everything out and buy all new stuff. Any help from the experts?

    - Patrick W.

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  2. A Muzi
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    Patrick W. said:

    Can someone shed some light on the incompatibility issue between "new" Campy
    Ergo shifters and older derailleurs? I have a 9-speed Chorus derailleur
    that's no older than 2000, but I'm not exactly sure of which model year.
    It's right on the cusp of the alleged changes, that's for sure.

    I want to upgrade from downtube index shifters to Ergo, but I'm not sure how
    to go about figuring out what will work. I seem to recall also some rumors
    that the issues are just imaginary/marketing, aimed at getting people like
    me to throw everything out and buy all new stuff. Any help from the experts?

    "Old" rear changers have the spring adjuster ["B" screw] on
    the upper pivot . "New" models adjust that on the lower pivot.

    In practice, the variance is so slight as to almost always
    be negligible. Try it. Both Peter and I commonly mix these
    on expensive bikes for picky customers to great success.
    Some riders, however, report difficulties, as Campagnolo
    admonishes.

    And certainly do not buy a new crank. That's completely
    overhyped.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  3. Beta Monkey
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    The old and new versions are indeed very different in the amount of cable
    pull they use to operate. You will have people tell you they are
    interchangeable, but that will depend on how high your standards are
    regarding shift indexing.

    As far as how to identify the RD as old version or new, I have no idea.

    "Patrick W." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Can someone shed some light on the incompatibility issue between "new"
    Campy Ergo shifters and older derailleurs? I have a 9-speed Chorus
    derailleur that's no older than 2000, but I'm not exactly sure of which
    model year. It's right on the cusp of the alleged changes, that's for
    sure.

    I want to upgrade from downtube index shifters to Ergo, but I'm not sure
    how to go about figuring out what will work. I seem to recall also some
    rumors that the issues are just imaginary/marketing, aimed at getting
    people like me to throw everything out and buy all new stuff. Any help
    from the experts?

    - Patrick W.

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  4. Patrick W.
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    #4

    "

    Quoted message said:

    "Old" rear changers have the spring adjuster ["B" screw] on the upper
    pivot . "New" models adjust that on the lower pivot.

    Great, thanks. That's just easy enough for me to figure out! I'm pretty sure
    my derailleur is 2001 or 2002, so I should be OK. Will check though.

    - Patrick W.

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  5. Chris
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    "A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Patrick W. said:

    Can someone shed some light on the incompatibility issue between "new"


    Campy

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ergo shifters and older derailleurs? I have a 9-speed Chorus derailleur
    that's no older than 2000, but I'm not exactly sure of which model year.
    It's right on the cusp of the alleged changes, that's for sure.

    I want to upgrade from downtube index shifters to Ergo, but I'm not sure


    how

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to go about figuring out what will work. I seem to recall also some


    rumors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that the issues are just imaginary/marketing, aimed at getting people


    like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    me to throw everything out and buy all new stuff. Any help from the


    experts?

    Quoted message said:

    "Old" rear changers have the spring adjuster ["B" screw] on
    the upper pivot . "New" models adjust that on the lower pivot.

    In practice, the variance is so slight as to almost always
    be negligible. Try it. Both Peter and I commonly mix these
    on expensive bikes for picky customers to great success.
    Some riders, however, report difficulties, as Campagnolo
    admonishes.

    And certainly do not buy a new crank. That's completely
    overhyped.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    I mixed some 9 speed parts when I first went to 10. I have one bike all 10
    speed and the other is converted with only the levers, cassette and chain
    being from the 10 speed group. They both shift better than any 9 speed
    system ever did but the all 10 speed is slightly quicker and smoother. I
    didn't even change the pulleys though and I would bet with that change there
    would be an even smaller difference. They both shift really excellent.

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  6. Qui si parla Campagnolo
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    Mangoes->Can someone shed some light on the incompatibility issue between "new"
    Campy

    Quoted message said:


    Ergo shifters and older derailleurs?

    Sure, in spite of what is published by 'official' and other web sites, there is
    no propblem mixing ANY Campagnolo shifter and ANY rear der, regardless of year.

    Mangoes->I have a 9-speed Chorus derailleur

    Quoted message said:

    that's no older than 2000, but I'm not exactly sure of which model year.

    It's right on the cusp of the alleged changes, that's for sure.

    Quoted message said:

    I want to upgrade from downtube index shifters to Ergo, but I'm not sure
    how
    to go about figuring out what will work. I seem to recall also some rumors

    that the issues are just imaginary/marketing,

    Just put them on, adjust the rear dere, go ride.

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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  7. Qui si parla Campagnolo
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    Beta->The old and new versions are indeed very different in the amount of cable

    Quoted message said:


    pull they use to operate. You will have people tell you they are
    interchangeable, but that will depend on how high your standards are
    regarding shift indexing.

    I can tell you ur standards are VERY high, have to be for a bike shop and I can
    tell you we use modern 10s rear ders for replacement rear ders for every
    shifter system we see, from Campagnolo.

    They are not 'indeed very different', from our exptensive experience with
    dozens of Campagnolo equipped bicycles.

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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  8. Russell Seaton
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    I have 1998 Chorus Ergo shifters. I used the shifters to shift a 1993
    Centaur medium cage rear derailleur during a mountain ride. It worked
    fine. If I concentrated, I could tell the shifting was not as
    instantaneous as with a complete before or after the rear derailleur
    change setup. But unless you knew the shifter and rear derailleur
    were not of the same era and concentrated on the quickness of the
    shifting, you would never know by using it.

    "Patrick W." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Can someone shed some light on the incompatibility issue between "new" Campy
    Ergo shifters and older derailleurs? I have a 9-speed Chorus derailleur
    that's no older than 2000, but I'm not exactly sure of which model year.
    It's right on the cusp of the alleged changes, that's for sure.

    I want to upgrade from downtube index shifters to Ergo, but I'm not sure how
    to go about figuring out what will work. I seem to recall also some rumors
    that the issues are just imaginary/marketing, aimed at getting people like
    me to throw everything out and buy all new stuff. Any help from the experts?

    - Patrick W.

    Report
  9. Russell Seaton
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    #9

    [email hidden] (Russell Seaton) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I have 1998 Chorus Ergo shifters. I used the shifters to shift a 1993
    Centaur medium cage rear derailleur during a mountain ride. It worked
    fine. If I concentrated, I could tell the shifting was not as
    instantaneous as with a complete before or after the rear derailleur
    change setup. But unless you knew the shifter and rear derailleur
    were not of the same era and concentrated on the quickness of the
    shifting, you would never know by using it.

    Should be "2003 Centaur medium cage rear deraileur." Not 1993.

    Quoted message said:

    "Patrick W." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Can someone shed some light on the incompatibility issue between "new" Campy
    Ergo shifters and older derailleurs? I have a 9-speed Chorus derailleur
    that's no older than 2000, but I'm not exactly sure of which model year.
    It's right on the cusp of the alleged changes, that's for sure.

    I want to upgrade from downtube index shifters to Ergo, but I'm not sure how
    to go about figuring out what will work. I seem to recall also some rumors
    that the issues are just imaginary/marketing, aimed at getting people like
    me to throw everything out and buy all new stuff. Any help from the experts?

    - Patrick W.

    Report

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