Camelbaj use during Road Race

You can use a camelback during a race. You can also attach 2 water bottles behind you saddle and
even one on your handlebars. I am more comfortable with keepinmg the water bottles on my bike and
carry two on the frame and two in the back. However, some do not like to put too much stuff on their
bikes and carry stuff on their bodies. Go to:

cambriabike.comminoura dual bottle cage holder.htmOpen ↗

They also have a handlebar attachment for a 5th bottle.

Andres

You can also go to any tri-shop on the web and find lots of similiar products to attach 2 bottles to
your seatpost.

You could also consider using the small 7 once bottles from fuelbelt.

Dan

AndresMuro said:

You can use a camelback during a race. You can also attach 2 water bottles behind you saddle and
even one on your handlebars. I am more comfortable with keepinmg the water bottles on my bike and
carry two on the frame and two in the back. However, some do not like to put too much stuff on
their bikes and carry stuff on their bodies. Go to:

cambriabike.comminoura dual bottle cage holder.htmOpen ↗

They also have a handlebar attachment for a 5th bottle.

Andres

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Is there any rule about using a Camlebak type hydration pack during a road race? I'll be entering
a 60 mile race and the two bottles on the bike will not be enough. I won't have any support on the
road to hand me new

bottles.

Only the unwritten rule that says you'll look like a Fred (so wear it under your skinsuit).

Andy ("Call me Fred"😉 Coggan

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Is there any rule about using a Camlebak type hydration pack during a road race? I'll be entering
a 60 mile race and the two bottles on the bike will not be enough. I won't have any support on
the road to hand me new

bottles.

Only the unwritten rule that says you'll look like a Fred (so wear it under your skinsuit).

Andy ("Call me Fred"😉 Coggan

You'll look like a fattie master wearing a skinsuit in a road race. If you stick a camelback
underneath, you'll look like a fredly fattie master. Carry two large bottle (16oz as opposed to
12oz) in your cages and one or two small bottles in your jersey pockets; that's what they're for.

- Boyd S.

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Is there any rule about using a Camlebak type hydration pack during a road race? I'll be
entering a 60 mile race and the two bottles on the bike will not be enough. I won't have any
support on the road to hand me new

bottles.

Only the unwritten rule that says you'll look like a Fred (so wear it under your skinsuit).

Andy ("Call me Fred"😉 Coggan

You'll look like a fattie master wearing a skinsuit in a road race. If you stick a camelback
underneath, you'll look like a fredly fattie master.

Except that I'm too skinny to ever look like a fattie anything.

Andy ("Laughing all the way to the finish line"😉 Coggan

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earing a skinsuit in a road race.

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If you stick a camelback underneath, you'll look like a fredly fattie master.

Except that I'm too skinny to ever look like a fattie anything.

There's some confusion here in nomenclature. "Fattie Master" is the name of the group of rider
categories -- the modifier isn't being applied to the member riders on an individual basis.

Dan

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Is there any rule about using a Camlebak type hydration pack during a road race? I'll be
entering a 60 mile race and the two bottles on the bike will not be enough. I won't have any
support on the road to hand me new

bottles.

Only the unwritten rule that says you'll look like a Fred (so wear it under your skinsuit).

Andy ("Call me Fred"😉 Coggan

You may be a Fred but smarter than the non-Fred poseur who spent an extra 2 grand on a bike in order
to save 2 pounds but then puts 4 pounds of water on the thing.

Kurt

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Is there any rule about using a Camlebak type hydration pack during a road race? I'll be
entering a 60 mile race and the two bottles on the bike will not be enough. I won't have any
support on the road to hand me new

bottles.

Camelback = dork.

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You may be a Fred but smarter than the non-Fred poseur who spent an extra 2 grand on a bike in
order to save 2 pounds but then puts 4 pounds of water on the thing.

Kurt

Uhh, yeah right, wingnut. As if moving the 4 lbs from the Cervelo to your back makes any weight
savings overall.

It does however label you as a Fred to stay away from on a group ride, so that 's a good thing if
you ask me.

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I'll be entering a 60 mile race and the two bottles on the bike will not be enough.

You can put waterbottles in your pockets.

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You may be a Fred but smarter than the non-Fred poseur who spent an extra 2 grand on a bike in
order to save 2 pounds but then puts 4 pounds of water on the thing.

What about the internet pundit who equates saving weight on the bike with saving weight by not
carrying liquids? How smart is that?

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gopher said:

Camelback = dork.

?

why do people try to make everyone else be exactly like them by calling them names when they aren't?
some kind of instinctual herd thing? i'll never understand it.

heather

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why do people try to make everyone else be exactly like them by

calling

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them names when they aren't?

"We are accustomed to seeing man despise what he does not understand." - Goethe

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heather halvorson said:

gopher said:

Camelback = dork.

?

why do people try to make everyone else be exactly like them by calling them names when they
aren't? some kind of instinctual herd thing? i'll never understand it.

heather

several thoughts----

1. Interesting comment from someone who reads, tolerates, posts to, and laughs along with Chang
provocation threads on a very regular basis......

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why do people try to make everyone else be exactly like them by calling them names when
they aren't?

2. At no point did i call Dave Patnaude a dork. I clearly stated the equation that wearing a
humpback pack makes one a dork. funny that it would be equated to "calling them names".
(especially considering I *did* call the other poster a "wingnut" for thinking that wearing a
camelback, rather than carrying water bottles, saved overall weight on a bike. Did you mean to
back quote that statement and not this one? )

3. Im certain that 95%+ of the road racers in here would agree with the assessment that a camelback
= dork in a road race. ( Hell I didn't even see any camelbacks on the XC pro/elite men at the
last Mnt. bike race i did!) At any rate, Dave had better win the event while wearing that
camelback or he will be subject to the ridicule the comes with wearing it.

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some kind of instinctual herd thing? i'll never understand it.

4. I don't think "camelback = dork" has anything to do with an "instinctual herd thing", but rather
it is a prevailing and deserved attitude about camelbacks from the vast majority of road racers.
The major issue is they remove a large area that your body uses to cool itself during intense
exercise. I personally find them extremely hot AND very uncomfortable when the pace of a ride
gets up to 30+ mph. In addition, they are even worse for a long steep climb at slow speeds with
little breeze on you. Camelbacks are usually worn by riders who haven't exerted themselves at a
very high level for extended periods while wearing them.

<sidebar: for sports dress protocol>

A very analogous situation happened at an inline race in NYC. I showed up in a pair of generic
plastic 5 wheeled skates to do the NYC Skate Marathon, and was physically pushed out of the pace
line at least 7 distinct times by Eddie Matzger or Ian Farrar --- hand on hip followed by forceful
shove. After finishing less than 5 seconds slower than Ian he admitted that he thought I "looked"
like i didn't know what i was doing. He also admitted that I was synced and holding my position fine
in the pace line and was plenty strong to be there, but my skates made me look "ridiculous". He said
If i had on a pair of Bonts he wouldn't have even noticed me.

Point: All sports have "unwritten rules", including inline. You have to dress/act according to
protocol or you are granted no respect.

</sidebar: sports dress protocol>

5. The ball in Dave's court. If he wants to wear a camelback in a race, so be it. But he now knows
what he faces.

camelback = dork in a road race.

gopher

gopher said:

if you weren't intending to be calling names, why didn't you write the post you just wrote to me to
the op instead the brief "camelbak = dork " remark? how does that help?

anyway, i do think it's some kind of herd thing. i used to think it was because the people who put
others down were "[censored]" but then i realized i was doing the same thing to them by calling them
"[censored]" that i was complaining about.

btw, your race story was interesting, thanks!

heather

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Is there any rule about using a Camlebak type hydration pack during a road race? I'll be entering
a 60 mile race and the two bottles on the bike will not be enough. I won't have any support on the
road to hand me new bottles.

Thanks, Dave

Just take a handful of salt tablets and a triple dose of ephedrine before the race. You won't need
to drink as much that way.

Wear SPD sandals to race in instead of shoes, while you're at it.

-RJ

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Is there any rule about using a Camlebak type hydration pack during a road race? I'll be
entering a 60 mile race and the two bottles on the bike will not be enough. I won't have any
support on the road to hand me new

bottles.

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Carry two large bottle (16oz as opposed to 12oz) in your cages and one or two small bottles in
your jersey pockets; that's what they're for.

- Boyd S.

Seriously, this is your best advice. Two large bottles should take you through 60 miles even if it
is really hot. Start with half a bottle in you if you're really worried about it.

-RJ

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heather halvorson said:

gopher said:

Camelback = dork.

?

why do people try to make everyone else be exactly like them by calling them names when they
aren't? some kind of instinctual herd thing? i'll never understand it.

heather

several thoughts----

1. Interesting comment from someone who reads, tolerates, posts to, and laughs along with Chang
provocation threads on a very regular basis......

Quoted message said:

why do people try to make everyone else be exactly like them by calling them names when they
aren't?

2. At no point did i call Dave Patnaude a dork. I clearly stated the equation that wearing a
humpback pack makes one a dork. funny that it would be equated to "calling them names".
(especially considering I *did* call the other poster a "wingnut" for thinking that wearing a
camelback, rather than carrying water bottles, saved overall weight on a bike. Did you mean to
back quote that statement and not this one? )

3. Im certain that 95%+ of the road racers in here would agree with the assessment that a
camelback = dork in a road race.

Anyone that worries so much about what makes one look like a dork is probably on the path...the
reason road racers don't - strike that. I would not consider one unless the conditions were such
that I needed hours and hours of water with no feed. Anyone stuck on the side of the road dehydrated
looks like a dork, but you just don't need a Camelback at most road races. I think I have seen a few
over the years, no big deal. They block your pockets too (I assume, maybe not).

Tempest in a teapot. It is Tour time.

( Hell I

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didn't even see any camelbacks on the XC pro/elite men at the last Mnt. bike race i did!) At any
rate, Dave had better win the event while wearing that camelback or he will be subject to the
ridicule the comes with wearing it.

Quoted message said:

some kind of instinctual herd thing? i'll never understand it.

4. I don't think "camelback = dork" has anything to do with an "instinctual herd thing", but
rather it is a prevailing and deserved attitude about camelbacks from the vast majority of
road racers. The major issue is they remove a large area that your body uses to cool itself
during intense exercise. I personally find them extremely hot AND very uncomfortable when the
pace of a ride gets up to 30+ mph. In addition, they are even worse for a long steep climb at
slow speeds with little breeze on you. Camelbacks are usually worn by riders who haven't
exerted themselves at a very high level for extended periods while wearing them.

<sidebar: for sports dress protocol>

A very analogous situation happened at an inline race in NYC. I showed up in a pair of generic
plastic 5 wheeled skates to do the NYC Skate Marathon, and was physically pushed out of the pace
line at least 7 distinct times by Eddie Matzger or Ian Farrar --- hand on hip followed by forceful
shove. After finishing less than 5 seconds slower than Ian he admitted that he thought I "looked"
like i didn't know what i was doing. He also admitted that I was synced and holding my position
fine in the pace line and was plenty strong to be there, but my skates made me look "ridiculous".
He said If i had on a pair of Bonts he wouldn't have even noticed me.

Point: All sports have "unwritten rules", including inline. You have to dress/act according to
protocol or you are granted no respect.

</sidebar: sports dress protocol>

4. The ball in Dave's court. If he wants to wear a camelback in a race, so be it. But he now
knows what he faces.

camelback = dork in a road race.

gopher

Ronaldo Jeremiah said:

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Carry two large bottle (16oz as opposed to 12oz) in your cages and one or two small bottles in
your jersey pockets; that's what they're for.

- Boyd S.

Seriously, this is your best advice. Two large bottles should take you through 60 miles even if it
is really hot. Start with half a bottle in you if you're really worried about it.

-RJ

If it's hot and humid, 3 bottles is prudent.

Also, pay attention to hydration starting 3 days before the race. You want to go to the start line
with maximal reserves. Drinking morning-of-the-race is too late. You'll just pee it out without
processing it.

Take an extra bottle to the start area. Sip it leading up to the race. Then throw it aside before
the start. This way, you won't start the race with one of your bottles half-full.

But on longer races, I think a CamelBak can be a good idea, if there's going to be any issue with
feeding. The feedzone can be a bit chaotic, so it's not a bad idea to have the resources to skip it
without concern for dehydration. Who cares about dork factor? Being a dork is thinking you're a pro,
with the resources of a pro team (like a follow vehicle), when you're not. If a Camelbak helps you
out, use it. But it's a mistake to arrive at the finish line with a lot of extra water. There's no
need, for example, for 120 oz (standard 'bak + 2 bottles) on a race which will be under 3 hours.

Dan

heather halvorson said:

gopher said:

i guess we're still not quite in sync.....

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if you weren't intending to be calling names, why didn't you write the post you just wrote to me to
the op instead the brief "camelback = dork " remark?

again, I never called O.P. (Dave) a dork. I said wearing a "camelBack
= dork" Dave will make the choice to be, or not to be a dork, at
some future time at his road race.

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how does that help?

In the proverbial nutshell, it lets him know what others *WILL* be thinking of him during the race,
if he wears the thing.

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anyway, i do think it's some kind of herd thing. i used to think it was because the people who put
others down were "[censored]" but then i realized i was doing the same thing to them by calling them
"[censored]" that i was complaining about.

welcome to the bell curve ( not the book) that IS life. There will always be a majority that define
the accepted societal norms and standards. (i.e. how they chose to express themselves verbally, or
the dress protocol at a road race ) And there will always be people who chose to be right in the
meat of that bell curve and a few others who chose either side of the fringes. Where you or I, as
individuals, choose to align ourselves in the distribution curve is mostly irrelevant. Individually
we just don't make a dent in the collective consciousness. And it's only our egos that make us think
otherwise.

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btw, your race story was interesting, thanks! heather

No problem, I had a much funnier one about a cat 3 mtn bike racer who wore his camelback with pride
to the start line in a Red Bank NJ road crit years ago. He was quickly chastised for it and
squeezed out of the front row. When the gun went off he couldn't quite get into his pedals and rode
to the first turn unclipped causing a huge pile up when he scraped the pedal and his foot slipped
off. After his free lap, he then managed to crash into the fencing on the last corner of the first
prime lap. Of course that's only anecdotal and just a blip in the bell curve of racing dork-ness.

;o)~

g